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Many problems20-04-2020 07:09
keepit
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Many deaths, organ damage, bankruptcy, financial burdens, inflation,etc.
Deaths could easily go to 100,000. Organ damage will probably be long term and is still a wild card. Bankruptcy is going to be worse than has been discussed. Financial burdens are horrendous. Inflation will happen but how much inflation will there be (the govt has been trying for a little bit more inflation for a long time so if inflation is relatively small it won't be such a problem).
Organ damage isn't being discussed enough and is such an unknown. It could be occurring in many of the subclinical cases of which it is known that there are many. We've got a fairly good handle on most of these problems but for the most part organ damage has been ignored and should be better analyzed.
Edited on 20-04-2020 07:10
20-04-2020 07:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Many deaths, organ damage, bankruptcy, financial burdens, inflation,etc.
Deaths could easily go to 100,000. Organ damage will probably be long term and is still a wild card. Bankruptcy is going to be worse than has been discussed. Financial burdens are horrendous. Inflation will happen but how much inflation will there be (the govt has been trying for a little bit more inflation for a long time so if inflation is relatively small it won't be such a problem).
Organ damage isn't being discussed enough and is such an unknown. It could be occurring in many of the subclinical cases of which it is known that there are many. We've got a fairly good handle on most of these problems but for the most part organ damage has been ignored and should be better analyzed.


Still fear mongering, eh?


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20-04-2020 09:31
Xadoman
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With every illness there is some organ damage. Even a simple running nose leaves a microscopic mark on the mucus membrane. When we are very young our organism has very strong regeneration ability. When we have grown up the regeneration ability goes down. We are going to age, every illness is going to wear our organism down and age it more. Those changes could be microscopic or more severe. Pneumonia is going to leave a mark on your lungs no matter the cause of the illness.
20-04-2020 10:10
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
Many deaths, organ damage, bankruptcy, financial burdens, inflation,etc.
Deaths could easily go to 100,000. Organ damage will probably be long term and is still a wild card. Bankruptcy is going to be worse than has been discussed. Financial burdens are horrendous. Inflation will happen but how much inflation will there be (the govt has been trying for a little bit more inflation for a long time so if inflation is relatively small it won't be such a problem).
Organ damage isn't being discussed enough and is such an unknown. It could be occurring in many of the subclinical cases of which it is known that there are many. We've got a fairly good handle on most of these problems but for the most part organ damage has been ignored and should be better analyzed.


It's a mild cold, why would there be organ damage? From my understanding, the people hospitalized, already had serious medical problems. My guess would be the only organs being examined, would be those of dead people. People with serious preexisting conditions, likely already have preexisting organ damage. You should give James a link to that scientific paper. Maybe he can use it to convince Medicare to pay for his desired 'elective' surgery, which could help him find a doctor willing to perform the procedure, normally a last resort.
20-04-2020 12:11
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
...From my understanding, ....
based on what?
20-04-2020 17:26
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
...From my understanding, ....
based on what?

Not Wikipedia, right?

Clearly it's based on his experience, thus making it reliable, unlike your assumption that reading something on the internet makes it true.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
20-04-2020 18:01
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
Many deaths,

Death happens all the time.

keepit wrote:
organ damage,

Organs are damaged all the time.

keepit wrote:
bankruptcy,

... happens all the time. Shutting down the economy does not help matters any.

keepit wrote:
financial burdens,

... happen all the time. Shutting down the economy does not help matters any.

keepit wrote:
inflation,etc.

... happens when we fear monger over a simple flu virus and subsequently respond to shutting down the economy by creating trillions of dollars out of thin air.

keepit wrote:
Deaths could easily go to 100,000.

They could. They likely will not. No reason to fear monger.

keepit wrote:
Organ damage will probably be long term and is still a wild card.

Elaborate upon "organ damage".

keepit wrote:
Bankruptcy is going to be worse than has been discussed.

Fear mongering.

keepit wrote:
Financial burdens are horrendous.

Fear mongering.

keepit wrote:
Inflation will happen but how much inflation will there be (the govt has been trying for a little bit more inflation for a long time so if inflation is relatively small it won't be such a problem).

It has already been happening. And creating trillions of dollars out of thin air as a result of irrational fear over a simple flu virus does not help matters any.

keepit wrote:
Organ damage isn't being discussed enough and is such an unknown.
It could be occurring in many of the subclinical cases of which it is known that there are many.

Elaborate upon "organ damage".

keepit wrote:
We've got a fairly good handle on most of these problems but for the most part organ damage has been ignored and should be better analyzed.

Fear mongering.
20-04-2020 18:15
keepit
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The thing is, there is a risk of inflation but there is a greater risk of deflation when you have so much unemployment.
20-04-2020 19:59
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
...From my understanding, ....
based on what?

Clearly it's based on his experience, .
His direct exoerience with Covid-19? His research and lab work? You clearly did not think before you wrote that IBD.

What Covid-19 information is available to any of us that is not from media and online sources?

Other than someone we know being ill, nothing.

So if someone "has an understanding" it's based on sources and not direct experience.

This applies to most climate issues as well.

gfm7175 wrote:
Death happens all the time.
...
Organs are damaged all the time.
... happen all the time.
Ah the classic destruction of thought you guys love so much. Your approach here gfm can be applied to anything and is as profound as "wherever you go there you are"

I take it you assume that had Covid-19 been ignored as a regular flu the economy would have been unaffected?

keepit wrote:
The thing is, there is a risk of inflation but there is a greater risk of deflation when you have so much unemployment.
yes well said, as was the case in the great depression.
20-04-2020 22:08
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
...From my understanding, ....
based on what?

Clearly it's based on his experience, .
His direct exoerience with Covid-19? His research and lab work? You clearly did not think before you wrote that IBD.

What Covid-19 information is available to any of us that is not from media and online sources?

Other than someone we know being ill, nothing.

So if someone "has an understanding" it's based on sources and not direct experience.

This applies to most climate issues as well.

I think that tmiddles is jealous of keepit and wants his own player card... Just sayin', the bolded is a real doozy (for multiple reasons, but the glaring reason in my mind is that direct experience IS a source)...

tmiddles wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Death happens all the time.
...
Organs are damaged all the time.
... happen all the time.
Ah the classic destruction of thought you guys love so much. Your approach here gfm can be applied to anything and is as profound as "wherever you go there you are"

My point is that people are fear mongering over what is commonplace.

tmiddles wrote:
I take it you assume that had Covid-19 been ignored as a regular flu the economy would have been unaffected?

"treated" as a regular flu, not "ignored" as... but for the most part, yes.
20-04-2020 22:59
HarveyH55
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Guess I'm blessed, that I never bothered getting cable TV, since I don't watch enough, to pay. Broadcast TV works well enough, and local news has stories that matter most. I never went with fast internet, since I'm not that interested in watching TV, it's I'm not going to what videos online either. I don't play video games, pornography, or pirate media. All this, actual spares me a lot of the hype, the spin, the fear-mongering, and conspiracy theory crap.

It's an F'ing bat-cold, and it doesn't seem to have been killing the bats, much. Least not as many that found their way into a soup bowl.

There is nothing strange about people getting old and sick, and often dying. It's been a pretty good system, for a long time. Works the same for animals and plants. I learned as a child, that pets don't live as long as humans. Sucks, the first few times, but eventually you learn to accept, that your new pet, is only going to be around, a short time, 10-15 years, unless the are car chasers, or some other risky activity. People are the same way, they don't live forever. Some die tragically, others get old, health fails, gets to be a struggle. Least, with a pet, when they get too old, to make it out in yard to crap, you can take them for a final visit to the vet. It's a tough decision to make, but it's kinder to get it over with, they watch them suffer and struggle. With old people, we shove them in a nursing home, and pay someone else to deal with the medical issues, and suffering. We visit briefly, when convenient, but do general see the worst of it, on a daily basis.
20-04-2020 23:40
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote: I think that tmiddles is jealous of keepit and wants his own player card...

First, I seriously doubt tmiddles is envious of keepit. In fact, you can see how tmiddles recognizes just how easy it is to pull keepit's gullibility strings and egg him on to spew stupid things.

Second, tmiddles won't be getting a player card. He can have a press pass, though. In fact, I bet he has one.
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20-04-2020 23:42
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:
tmiddles wrote:...So if someone "has an understanding" it's based on sources and not direct experience....
...the bolded is a real doozy (for multiple reasons, but the glaring reason in my mind is that direct experience IS a source)...
And it is sometimes a possibility but often an impossibility. Harvey has been...verbose...on the subject of Covid-19 and unless for some strange reason he's held the information back he has zero direct experience with it. As for climate and planetary temperature issues you, me, IBD and your mom all have zero direct experience with Venus for example. So IBD's proclamation is useless nonsense.

Certainly not random nonsense though. ITN/IBD have a death-grip commitment to the notion that citing references is never useful. The reason for this is that their perversions of scientific principles (2nd LTD for example) are contradicted by any source on the subject. So introducing sources and references is problematic to say the least.

gfm7175 wrote: My point is that people are fear mongering over what is commonplace.
You consider Covid-19 to be unworthy of fear. I get that. I don't agree with you nor do those who you accuse of "fear mongering". I might say that someone freaking out about communists in the 1950s is fear mongering but it was a real threat and they may have been right. There is a good chance they were sincere. If a house is on fire and you are screaming at everyone inside to get out or they will die you are not "fear mongering" you are sharing an appropriate level of alarm. So don't try to skip past the actual debate (which is IF covid-19 is a real threat) and assume you're right and accuse those who don't agree with you of being insincere.

gfm7175 wrote:
"treated" as a regular flu, not "ignored" as... but for the most part, yes.
Yes I think your position has been consistent that Covid-19 should be treated the same way we treat the flu on any given year.

Question: Do you agree it's possible that a virus can rise to the level of being a serious threat where running around convincing everyone they should be very afraid is appropriate? What would your criteria be for that?

SmallPox is the great terror of the last century if you need to look up something horrific as a reference.

HarveyH55 wrote:
There is nothing strange about people getting old and sick, and often dying.
Nor are car accidents, fires or murder "strange". Happens all the time as GFM would say.

And there is nothing strange about human beings capably and effectively mitigating the risk to life and limb. Pretty much the #2 task in our entire history, right after eating.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN
21-04-2020 00:10
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: And it is sometimes a possibility but often an impossibility. Harvey has been...verbose...on the subject of Covid-19 and unless for some strange reason he's held the information back he has zero direct experience with it. As for climate and planetary temperature issues you, me, IBD and your mom all have zero direct experience with Venus for example. So IBD's proclamation is useless nonsense.

Certainly not random nonsense though. ITN/IBD have a death-grip commitment to the notion that citing references is never useful. The reason for this is that their perversions of scientific principles (2nd LTD for example) are contradicted by any source on the subject. So introducing sources and references is problematic to say the least.


When I read the above I envision you being a CNN contributor reading from a script.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-04-2020 00:25
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:...I envision...
Thanks for sharing IBD. You do everything but debate here nowdays.
21-04-2020 02:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:...I envision...
Thanks for sharing IBD. You do everything but debate here nowdays.

There's no discussion in the threads you ruin. If you'll recall, many rational and honest discussions have been attempted with you but you'll have none of it. Your ongoing objective is to mischaracterize virtually everyone and everything. Your mischaracterization of INFOWARS is your way of killing two birds with one stone, i.e. claiming that I have a stated position on INFOWARS as a segue into baselessly bashing INFOWARS.

You didn't notice that your pure projection of your "dangerous incendiary misinformation" onto INFOWARS is completely transparent. Please take a poll to see who immediately noticed vs. who was fooled.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-04-2020 04:08
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:...baselessly bashing INFOWARS....
Well IBD in order to debate something you'd have to actively take a position.

I have taken the position, in sheep like fashion it's true, agreeing with the general consensus, the popular view, that INFOWARS is total garbage. Just like Hilter is a monster, slavery is immoral, it's not cool to beat your children, and a whole host of other "most people thing so"s. One can generally assume no one in the room is interested in taking the opposing side in debating such issues though it's understood such people do exist.

If someone ACTUALLY wants to debate that well settled (in the mind of the vast majority of the general public and myself) evaluation I'd welcome it.

You refuse to debate so I guess there is nothing to discuss.

And if you call being ruthlessly debunked ruining a topic for you try taking less absurd positions and you won't fall so hard on your face.

You presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA which you hate. This is a reality anyone can find on this board.

If you'd like to debate whether INFOWARS is "total garbage" as I've claimed we can do that.

So far you don't seem to have anything more to say so does anyone else want to champion INFOWARS?
Edited on 21-04-2020 04:25
21-04-2020 04:26
keepit
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If, and admittedly it is a big if, the data on organ damage is accurate, the whole situation will have changed. For example, in china, 1/2 of the covid19 deaths had kidney damage to the point of kidney failure. If facts like these are true and even moderate damage goes on with undiagnosed and asymptomatic victims, then reopening the country is insanity. Someone needs to find out if the organ damage is going on before any more reopening occurs..
Consider this, young people can sustain significant kidney damage without even knowing it. And consider this, people can have significant heart disease without even knowing it and then die suddenly of a heart attack. And consider this, people can have significant high blood pressure without even knowing it and sustain a life ending stroke.
If these kinds of things are happening to undiagnosed and asymptomatic victims, we need to know. No reopenings of the economy should happen until we know!
We can be patient and stay closed and continue to receive free money from the govt until we find out. We can handle a little inflation for a while.
Most of the stimulus money comes back to the various levels of govt anyway, in the form of taxes.
Don't forget, there are a couple of studies in california that show there are many multiples of people who have been exposed than was previously known.
We should stay home until uncertainties have been resolved.
I can almost guarantee you that there isn't a single doctor in those reopening protests.
21-04-2020 07:09
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: If, and admittedly it is a big if, the data on organ damage is accurate, the whole situation will have changed. For example, in china, 1/2 of the covid19 deaths had kidney damage to the point of kidney failure.

Try looking at it another way, this time with your eyes open.

Imagine people in China who die of kidney failure because the shitty socialized medicine was impotent to help them ... and so China has those deaths declared as having resulted from COVID-19 at the onset of the coronazombie apocalypse and claimed that COVID-19 "must cause kidney damage."


Now imagine rational people not being gullible and not buying it.



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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-04-2020 07:52
keepit
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Bogus suspicions and semantic arguments. That's all you talk about IBD.
21-04-2020 09:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 16b...29...4d......16b...9a...29...

keepit wrote:
The thing is, there is a risk of inflation but there is a greater risk of deflation when you have so much unemployment.
yes well said, as was the case in the great depression.


Prices rose during the Great Depression. The Depression was one of economic activity, not of prices.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
21-04-2020 09:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:...baselessly bashing INFOWARS....
Well IBD in order to debate something you'd have to actively take a position.

He has.
tmiddles wrote:
...deleted Mantras 31...16b...16b...16b...31...30...lie...30...7...30...lie...17


No argument presented. RQAA.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
Edited on 21-04-2020 09:42
21-04-2020 09:43
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:...deleted Mantra 17...


No argument presented.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
21-04-2020 09:52
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
Prices rose during the Great Depression.

No ITN that is a false statement:
https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/dep1929.htm

Negative Inflation = Deflation
The "GREAT DEPRESSION" is identified as being from August 1929 – March 1933
YEAR / PRICE INDEX
1929 13.12
1930 12.60
1931 11.34
1932 10.05
1933 9.78
21-04-2020 10:37
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Bogus suspicions and semantic arguments. That's all you talk about IBD.

Thank you.

Of course you still believe that there is some other form of argument besides semantic.

Too funny.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-04-2020 18:26
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
gfm7175 wrote: I think that tmiddles is jealous of keepit and wants his own player card...

First, I seriously doubt tmiddles is envious of keepit. In fact, you can see how tmiddles recognizes just how easy it is to pull keepit's gullibility strings and egg him on to spew stupid things.

Point taken.

IBdaMann wrote:
Second, tmiddles won't be getting a player card. He can have a press pass, though. In fact, I bet he has one.

A press pass is very fitting for him. He does love to manufacture lies and otherwise completely distort the claims of non-liberals.
21-04-2020 18:34
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:...baselessly bashing INFOWARS....
Well IBD in order to debate something you'd have to actively take a position.

I have taken the position, in sheep like fashion it's true, agreeing with the general consensus, the popular view, that INFOWARS is total garbage. Just like Hilter is a monster, slavery is immoral, it's not cool to beat your children, and a whole host of other "most people thing so"s. One can generally assume no one in the room is interested in taking the opposing side in debating such issues though it's understood such people do exist.

If someone ACTUALLY wants to debate that well settled (in the mind of the vast majority of the general public and myself) evaluation I'd welcome it.

You refuse to debate so I guess there is nothing to discuss.

And if you call being ruthlessly debunked ruining a topic for you try taking less absurd positions and you won't fall so hard on your face.

randU Fallacy.
Appeal to Popularity Fallacy.

tmiddles wrote:
You presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA which you hate. This is a reality anyone can find on this board.

If you'd like to debate whether INFOWARS is "total garbage" as I've claimed we can do that.

So far you don't seem to have anything more to say so does anyone else want to champion INFOWARS?

Irrational reasoning. Summarily dismissed so long as paradox remains.
21-04-2020 19:56
HarveyH55
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I don't understand the obsession... It's the internet, you need to look at more than one source, which is good advice, anywhere. On the internet though, you have to be extra careful of who you quote. I've used Wikipedia a few times, but don't quote from it. It's good enough to get a general idea about something, and a few things to search further about. Somethings, there is no reason to expect any political bias, or opinion. I've never clicked an Infowar link, but suspect it has some bias and agenda as well. I'm generally trying to remove the bias, and get a clear look at things, not add to the confusion. Arguing over which is a more reliable source, doesn't make much sense, since I suspect both are a little bent, on some topics.
21-04-2020 21:24
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:...Summarily dismissed...
Aka summarily dodged

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't understand the obsession... It's the internet, ...
You mean IBDs obsession with wikipedia? Yeah I don't get it either. Every page has the sources identified and we're all free and capable of doing our own research. It is important to know when there is active lying though wouldn't you agree?
Also not all sources are equal.
Edited on 21-04-2020 21:25
21-04-2020 21:38
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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tmiddles wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:...Summarily dismissed...
Aka summarily dodged

Calling out a paradox is not "dodging". You need to clear your paradox.

tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't understand the obsession... It's the internet, ...
You mean IBDs obsession with wikipedia? Yeah I don't get it either.

Still illiterate in English, eh?

tmiddles wrote:
Every page has the sources identified

So? Identifying a source doesn't automatically make the information contained therein 'correct'.

tmiddles wrote:
and we're all free and capable of doing our own research.

You seem to be rather lousy at it though...

tmiddles wrote:
It is important to know when there is active lying though wouldn't you agree?

YOU actively lie...

tmiddles wrote:
Also not all sources are equal.

Correct. Some are better than others.
21-04-2020 21:57
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:You need to clear your paradox.
To assume you are correct and refusing to debate if you are is simply dodging the debate.

You claimed I had a "paradox" because I identified that IBD had presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA and then refused to answer my follow up questions.

I rebutted that here:link
gfm7175 wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
If you say "Hitler was great" and I ask "So you admire Hitler?" and you refuse to answer it does not contradict the statement you made it only means you refuse to respond.
False Equivalence. Rather, it would be more like if you asked me if I admired Hitler, then claimed that I said "Hitler was great", WHILE ALSO CLAIMING that I did not respond to your question. Either I responded to your question or I didn't. Either IBD responded to your question or he didn't. This is what happens when you lie out of your ass all the time. It leads to paradoxes.
A "paradox" is a situation in which there are two mutually exclusive conditions/realities that cannot both exist. IBD has presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA and then been vague and unresponsive. That is not a paradox at all. No more than taking the 5th amendment and being guilty are a paradox. Your example above you assume, falsely, that if I ask a question and it is not answered that there is no information that can be provided beyond that. But my question was prompted by IBDs action in offering INFOWARS as a source. Saying something and then refusing to say anymore about it simply means you're being difficult. It doesn't erase your initial statements. Now if I lied that is easily proven! you can simply point out where I have said something I knew was not true. Have at it.
21-04-2020 22:03
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Prices rose during the Great Depression.

No ITN that is a false statement:
https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/dep1929.htm

Negative Inflation = Deflation
The "GREAT DEPRESSION" is identified as being from August 1929 – March 1933
YEAR / PRICE INDEX
1929 13.12
1930 12.60
1931 11.34
1932 10.05
1933 9.78

Yet another chart of random numbers. You really don't get it.

The Great Depression and it's effects lasted from 1929 all the way through 1955.
Prices rose during the Great Depression. The Depression was one of economic activity, not of prices.


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21-04-2020 22:07
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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tmiddles wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:You need to clear your paradox.
To assume you are correct and refusing to debate if you are is simply dodging the debate.

You claimed I had a "paradox" because I identified that IBD had presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA and then refused to answer my follow up questions.

I rebutted that here:link
gfm7175 wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
If you say "Hitler was great" and I ask "So you admire Hitler?" and you refuse to answer it does not contradict the statement you made it only means you refuse to respond.
False Equivalence. Rather, it would be more like if you asked me if I admired Hitler, then claimed that I said "Hitler was great", WHILE ALSO CLAIMING that I did not respond to your question. Either I responded to your question or I didn't. Either IBD responded to your question or he didn't. This is what happens when you lie out of your ass all the time. It leads to paradoxes.
A "paradox" is a situation in which there are two mutually exclusive conditions/realities that cannot both exist. IBD has presented INFOWARS as an alternative to WIKIPEDIA and then been vague and unresponsive. That is not a paradox at all. No more than taking the 5th amendment and being guilty are a paradox. Your example above you assume, falsely, that if I ask a question and it is not answered that there is no information that can be provided beyond that. But my question was prompted by IBDs action in offering INFOWARS as a source. Saying something and then refusing to say anymore about it simply means you're being difficult. It doesn't erase your initial statements. Now if I lied that is easily proven! you can simply point out where I have said something I knew was not true. Have at it.

You have lied multiple times here

The rest of your whining has been addressed already.
Edited on 21-04-2020 22:08
21-04-2020 22:44
HarveyH55
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tmiddles wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:...Summarily dismissed...
Aka summarily dodged

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't understand the obsession... It's the internet, ...
You mean IBDs obsession with wikipedia? Yeah I don't get it either. Every page has the sources identified and we're all free and capable of doing our own research. It is important to know when there is active lying though wouldn't you agree?
Also not all sources are equal.


Actually, mostly your obsession... You should know from all the articles cited in Wikipedia, that the entries are often opinion/interpretations, biased... If looked at many of those cited articles, referenced, they are also mostly opinion as well, citing other articles... Most people don't spend their life, hiding in their homes, nothing better to do, they just go with the Wikipedia entries, and call it good enough. The quote from it, no the articles from the reference section, they track down, until they found an origin. I've gone on the chase a few times, for an electronics project or two. Shouldn't have been that hard, or any reason not to provide accurate information. It's not a reliable source, if you have to work to verify even simple things.
22-04-2020 15:32
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
Yet another chart of random numbers.

How is the consumer price index a "random number"? Care to explain? What IS your definition for "random" and "random number"? I truly don't get what you mean. Was the chart of numbers you presented in the Data Mine, the Mauna Loa CO2 chart, was that random numbers? From your thread "The Data Mine"
Into the Night wrote:


Into the Night wrote:The Great Depression and it's effects lasted from 1929 all the way through 1955.
Really? Because no it didn't. THE Great Depression, not unlike THE Alamo, and THE Civil War is a title of a specific event that is defined by society and history books. You actually don't get to redefine those things, move years around or make up a new definition. You could say there was A Depression that is seldom recognized that stretched all the way to 1955 but it's not THE Great Depression.

gfm7175 wrote:
You have lied multiple times here
The rest of your whining has been addressed already.
You have provided a link to ITN's post just above yours, not a post of mine. Mistake?

And I get that you are too afraid to actually debate me. You will lose and it will not be pretty so keep running.

So GFM what is your take on INFOWARS? You a fan?
Edited on 22-04-2020 15:33
22-04-2020 17:44
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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tmiddles wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
You have lied multiple times here
The rest of your whining has been addressed already.
You have provided a link to ITN's post just above yours, not a post of mine. Mistake?

You're too stupid to realize that I am making fun of your useless style of responding.

tmiddles wrote:
And I get that you are too afraid to actually debate me.

I've been debating you this whole time. This is child's play, given how illiterate you are in English, logic, philosophy, science, mathematics, ... ... ... ...

tmiddles wrote:
You will lose

Define what you mean by "lose". How are you proposing that one "wins" or "loses" a particular discussion on this forum?

tmiddles wrote:
and it will not be pretty so keep running.

I'm right here.

tmiddles wrote:
So GFM what is your take on INFOWARS? You a fan?

I've seen bits and pieces of their videos (and articles) here and there, but I do not watch/read it regularly, or even much at all for that matter. From the bits and pieces that I have seen, some of their videos and articles are accurate and rather informative, while others are rather erroneous. They seem to be a hit or a miss, depending on the specific video/article.

Wikipedia, on the other hand, has been a miss (very erroneous) on damn near, if not every, politically/scientifically related article that I have perused through. That's why I do not accept Wikipedia as a source. The grade school and high school that I went to did not even allow their students to use Wikipedia as a source.
22-04-2020 22:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Yet another chart of random numbers.

How is the consumer price index a "random number"?

Mantra 16c
tmiddles wrote:
Care to explain?

Mantra 29
tmiddles wrote:
What IS your definition for "random" and "random number"?

Mantra 29
tmiddles wrote:
I truly don't get what you mean.

Mantra 2
tmiddles wrote:
Was the chart of numbers you presented in the Data Mine, the Mauna Loa CO2 chart, was that random numbers? From your thread "The Data Mine"
Into the Night wrote:


Mantra 29...15
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:The Great Depression and it's effects lasted from 1929 all the way through 1955.
Really? Because no it didn't.

Yes it did. The economy was stalled, or only producing stuff to be destroyed in warfare, during that entire time. That is what made the Great Depression Great. The constant attempts by FDR and Truman to mess with the economy. Mantra 23
tmiddles wrote:
THE Great Depression, not unlike THE Alamo, and THE Civil War is a title of a specific event that is defined by society and history books.

Mantras 16c...4e.

The United States has never had a civil war. The so-called 'Civil War' was actually a war of secession. A civil war is when two or more factions try to gain power over the government through violence.
tmiddles wrote:
You actually don't get to redefine those things,

Mantra 17.
I have not redefined anything. YOU have.
tmiddles wrote:
move years around or make up a new definition.

Mantra 4d...fallacy fallacy.
I have not moved a single year on the calendar.
tmiddles wrote:
You could say there was A Depression that is seldom recognized that stretched all the way to 1955 but it's not THE Great Depression.

Mantra 10...31...15.
It is the Great Depression. WW2 did not end the Great Depression, like you liberals claim it did (to try to give credit to FDR).
tmiddles wrote:
And I get that you are too afraid to actually debate me. You will lose and it will not be pretty so keep running.

Mantra 7.
tmiddles wrote:
So GFM what is your take on INFOWARS? You a fan?

Mantra 29.

No arguments presented. RQAA.


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25-04-2020 21:03
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
The United States has never had a civil war. The so-called 'Civil War' was actually a war of secession.
And Tim McVey was not a terrorist, oh and the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery, (you have such a long list of scary thoughts ITN).

Curious what on earth is "Liberal" about defining the Great Depression as it is defined? August 1929 – March 1933.

What's kind of fun about you ITN, not ulike a wind up toy that does a neat trick, is you can never admit you're wrong about anything so you just get hilarious at trying to salvage your errors and redefine the world to fit them.

Like Trump with the hurricane not headed to Alabama. (his sharpie lined map)
Trump relentlessly defends use of altered Dorian map

I mean it's sad and scary but really funny too.

Do you think Lee Harvey was the lone gunman?
Edited on 25-04-2020 21:06
25-04-2020 21:31
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:...I am making fun of your useless style of responding.
Oh, eh, not that funny. I think linking to references is a trick you really ought to learn. Saying things like "CDC numbers" that can't be found is really lame.

gfm7175 wrote:
How are you proposing that one "wins" or "loses" a particular discussion on this forum?
Absolutely. Like you have LOST the debate on COVID-19 being more dangerous than the normal flu. You haven't even tried to debate the climate topics with me. Would you like to? ITN and IBD gave up.

gfm7175 wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
So GFM what is your take on INFOWARS? You a fan?
They seem to be a hit or a miss, depending on the specific video/article...Wikipedia, on the other hand,
So you consider INFOWARS to be a more credible source than Wikipedia?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-lawsuit-alex-jones/infowars-founder-who-claimed-sandy-hook-shooting-was-a-hoax-ordered-to-pay-100000-idUSKBN1YZ1BB
25-04-2020 21:31
keepit
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Tmid,
I don't think Oswald was the lone gunman and i don't think oj did it. Timing is what seems to make both impossible.
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