Just one simple question

Im a BM wrote:
This was 3043 posts ago.

Eight years is long enough to have learned the answers to some of the questions posed in GasGuzzler's very first post and thread.

The final sentence "My rant is not over..." was certainly true eight years ago when this was posted (December 2016)

But now, 3043 posts and eight years later, I get the impression that your rant really kind of IS over.



[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:

[center]Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Im a BM wrote:
This was 3043 posts ago. Eight years is long enough to have learned the answers to some of the questions posed in GasGuzzler's very first post and thread.

Im a BM wrote: But now, 3043 posts and eight years later, I get the impression that your rant really kind of IS over.

GasGuzzler wrote:10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?

GasGuzzler wrote:I was feeling totally snubbed until now! Muchos gracias!

GasGuzzler wrote: 1. I've learned what heat is and how it flows by way of conduction, convection and radiation and how the SB law applies to all matter everywhere. I was stunned by how often the word heat is misused and abused by morons that claim to be educated.

2. I have learned that science is not ''the study of the natural world around us" as we were told in grade school. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, NONE of which are ever proven true. A theory is considered true until it is proven false.

3. Oil cannot come from dead dinosaurs, so I learned to stop using the false agenda driven term "fossil fuels". Hydrocarbons is the correct term for oil and gas and it seems quite rational that the earth is an oil producing machine.

4. I learned there is a HUGE difference between speculation and what we know. If it has not been observed, then it is speculation. Global warming and ice ages are two lovely examples of speculation.

5. After decades of believing the bullshit, I learned there is actually no way to measure the temperature of the earth. Satellites can't do it and not enough thermometers to even come close to an accurate measurement. Therefore, THERE IS NO "GLOBAL TEMPERATURE DATA".

6. I learned that climate is a lesbian. Climate is also a subjective term, meaning it is a definition based on one's OPINION, therefore, there is no "global climate" that could possibly change. Seems pretty rational to me!

7. I don't know why this stuck with me, but Into the Night gave me quite an education about freight trains, how they stretch, and the need for a centerline engine to calibrate and adjust the amount of stretch. Quite fascinating. Thanks ITN

8. Most importantly, I have learned the hard way that it is life threatening dangerous to read an IBdaMann post within 24 hours post surgery. You risk laughing so hard that stitches rip and you're right back in the hospital for same day emergency surgery. True story. I observed this!

There is so much more but I'm short on time. Special thanks to Into the Night, IBdaMann, and gfm7175 for being great teachers and sharing their knowledge.
Perhaps of most importance is their willingness to define their terms and then articulate a position when asked to do so. Well done!

GasGuzzler wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
This was 3043 posts ago.

Eight years is long enough to have learned the answers to some of the questions posed in GasGuzzler's very first post and thread.

The final sentence "My rant is not over..." was certainly true eight years ago when this was posted (December 2016)

But now, 3043 posts and eight years later, I get the impression that your rant really kind of IS over.



[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:

[center]Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Thank you so much ! I was feeling totally snubbed until now! Muchos gracias!

Wow, I have learned so much in 8 years. Here's just a few highlights...

1. I've learned what heat is and how it flows by way of conduction, convection and radiation and how the SB law applies to all matter everywhere. I was stunned by how often the word heat is misused and abused by morons that claim to be educated.

2. I have learned that science is not ''the study of the natural world around us" as we were told in grade school. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, NONE of which are ever proven true. A theory is considered true until it is proven false.

3. Oil cannot come from dead dinosaurs, so I learned to stop using the false agenda driven term "fossil fuels". Hydrocarbons is the correct term for oil and gas and it seems quite rational that the earth is an oil producing machine.

4. I learned there is a HUGE difference between speculation and what we know. If it has not been observed, then it is speculation. Global warming and ice ages are two lovely examples of speculation.

5. After decades of believing the bullshit, I learned there is actually no way to measure the temperature of the earth. Satellites can't do it and not enough thermometers to even come close to an accurate measurement. Therefore, THERE IS NO "GLOBAL TEMPERATURE DATA".

6. I learned that climate is a lesbian. Climate is also a subjective term, meaning it is a definition based on one's OPINION, therefore, there is no "global climate" that could possibly change. Seems pretty rational to me!

7. I don't know why this stuck with me, but Into the Night gave me quite an education about freight trains, how they stretch, and the need for a centerline engine to calibrate and adjust the amount of stretch. Quite fascinating. Thanks ITN

8. Most importantly, I have learned the hard way that it is life threatening dangerous to read an IBdaMann post within 24 hours post surgery. You risk laughing so hard that stitches rip and you're right back in the hospital for same day emergency surgery. True story. I observed this!

There is so much more but I'm short on time. Special thanks to Into the Night, IBdaMann, and gfm7175 for being great teachers and sharing their knowledge.
Perhaps of most importance is their willingness to define their terms and then articulate a position when asked to do so. Well done!

GasGuzzler wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
This was 3043 posts ago.

Eight years is long enough to have learned the answers to some of the questions posed in GasGuzzler's very first post and thread.

The final sentence "My rant is not over..." was certainly true eight years ago when this was posted (December 2016)

But now, 3043 posts and eight years later, I get the impression that your rant really kind of IS over.



[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:

[center]Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Thank you so much ! I was feeling totally snubbed until now! Muchos gracias!

Wow, I have learned so much in 8 years. Here's just a few highlights...

1. I've learned what heat is and how it flows by way of conduction, convection and radiation and how the SB law applies to all matter everywhere. I was stunned by how often the word heat is misused and abused by morons that claim to be educated.

2. I have learned that science is not ''the study of the natural world around us" as we were told in grade school. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, NONE of which are ever proven true. A theory is considered true until it is proven false.

3. Oil cannot come from dead dinosaurs, so I learned to stop using the false agenda driven term "fossil fuels". Hydrocarbons is the correct term for oil and gas and it seems quite rational that the earth is an oil producing machine.

4. I learned there is a HUGE difference between speculation and what we know. If it has not been observed, then it is speculation. Global warming and ice ages are two lovely examples of speculation.

5. After decades of believing the bullshit, I learned there is actually no way to measure the temperature of the earth. Satellites can't do it and not enough thermometers to even come close to an accurate measurement. Therefore, THERE IS NO "GLOBAL TEMPERATURE DATA".

6. I learned that climate is a lesbian. Climate is also a subjective term, meaning it is a definition based on one's OPINION, therefore, there is no "global climate" that could possibly change. Seems pretty rational to me!

7. I don't know why this stuck with me, but Into the Night gave me quite an education about freight trains, how they stretch, and the need for a centerline engine to calibrate and adjust the amount of stretch. Quite fascinating. Thanks ITN

8. Most importantly, I have learned the hard way that it is life threatening dangerous to read an IBdaMann post within 24 hours post surgery. You risk laughing so hard that stitches rip and you're right back in the hospital for same day emergency surgery. True story. I observed this!

There is so much more but I'm short on time. Special thanks to Into the Night, IBdaMann, and gfm7175 for being great teachers and sharing their knowledge.
Perhaps of most importance is their willingness to define their terms and then articulate a position when asked to do so. Well done!

GasGuzzler wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
This was 3043 posts ago.

Eight years is long enough to have learned the answers to some of the questions posed in GasGuzzler's very first post and thread.

The final sentence "My rant is not over..." was certainly true eight years ago when this was posted (December 2016)

But now, 3043 posts and eight years later, I get the impression that your rant really kind of IS over.



[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:

[center]Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Thank you so much ! I was feeling totally snubbed until now! Muchos gracias!

Wow, I have learned so much in 8 years. Here's just a few highlights...

1. I've learned what heat is and how it flows by way of conduction, convection and radiation and how the SB law applies to all matter everywhere. I was stunned by how often the word heat is misused and abused by morons that claim to be educated.

2. I have learned that science is not ''the study of the natural world around us" as we were told in grade school. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, NONE of which are ever proven true. A theory is considered true until it is proven false.

3. Oil cannot come from dead dinosaurs, so I learned to stop using the false agenda driven term "fossil fuels". Hydrocarbons is the correct term for oil and gas and it seems quite rational that the earth is an oil producing machine.

4. I learned there is a HUGE difference between speculation and what we know. If it has not been observed, then it is speculation. Global warming and ice ages are two lovely examples of speculation.

5. After decades of believing the bullshit, I learned there is actually no way to measure the temperature of the earth. Satellites can't do it and not enough thermometers to even come close to an accurate measurement. Therefore, THERE IS NO "GLOBAL TEMPERATURE DATA".

6. I learned that climate is a lesbian. Climate is also a subjective term, meaning it is a definition based on one's OPINION, therefore, there is no "global climate" that could possibly change. Seems pretty rational to me!

7. I don't know why this stuck with me, but Into the Night gave me quite an education about freight trains, how they stretch, and the need for a centerline engine to calibrate and adjust the amount of stretch. Quite fascinating. Thanks ITN

8. Most importantly, I have learned the hard way that it is life threatening dangerous to read an IBdaMann post within 24 hours post surgery. You risk laughing so hard that stitches rip and you're right back in the hospital for same day emergency surgery. True story. I observed this!

There is so much more but I'm short on time. Special thanks to Into the Night, IBdaMann, and gfm7175 for being great teachers and sharing their knowledge.
Perhaps of most importance is their willingness to define their terms and then articulate a position when asked to do so. Well done!

Im a BM wrote:
This is so ADORABLE!

What a triumphant journey.

I wish there were more you could do to get those morons to define their terms.

Im a BM wrote:
Well, at least you are doing your part.

REFUSING to buy in to the propaganda and ever use the agenda driven term "fossil fuel" is

Im a BM wrote:
very important thing to have learned to do.

After decades of believing that bullshit, you learned that there's just no good way to measure temperature, and there CAN'T be any data that proves things are getting warmer.

Im a BM wrote:
But who needs temperature data, when the SB law already shows you what the data would be if you COULD measure temperature?

Im a BM wrote:
NO POSSIBLE WARMING

Im a BM wrote:
And warming WHAT? Warming the "climate"? Yeah, right!

Im a BM wrote:
Well, I look forward to celebrating the eight year anniversary of your joining the discussion here at climate-debate.com

EVERYBODY MARK YOUR CALENDAR! DECEMBER 30

All the GasGuzzler fans should drop a line to congratulate the 8 year veteran.

And read the adorable story about what he has learned in those eight years, and the fine scientists here who he learned it from.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Well, you have come to the right place, GasGuzzler!

The Ghost of 2016 offers you this warm welcome in hindsight.

So, you are new here, at climate-debate.com. You have put up your first post.

I hope that you won't turn out to be one of those many new members who only posts one time before deciding that this website is a SHITTY place to try to have a rational discussion about climate change.

I hope that you won't be intimidated by any of the bullies.

There is no moderator to stop them from obnoxiously derailing every discussion.

You know, the "abusive troll frauds who insist on driving the discussion into the muck".

Watch out for the "religious WACK-jobs" and the "scientifically illiterate morons".

The trolls here hide behind word games and REFUSE to unambiguously define their terms.

(They were here eight or nine years ago, just being ABUSIVE to IBdaMann with uncivilized sarcasm and veiled attacks on anyone who thinks independently)

Can we assume from what you have posted that you are so well versed in the physics of thermodynamics, you understand it BETTER than PhD scientists?

We hope to see more of you at climate-debate.com, says the ghost of 2016.

December 30, 2016 - December, 2024

GasGuzzler is still just politely asking them to please define their terms.

GasGuzzler wrote:
A couple thousand years ago educators taught us the earth was flat.

50 years ago educators told us eating more salt would make us thirsty and help us to drink more water and keep us hydrated.

15 years ago educators told us eggs were bad bad bad. Now? pretty good stuff.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE CRAP I'VE BEEN FEAD!!

20 years ago my high school teacher told me I'd be lucky to flip burgers...right before I dropped out.....Yet today I am in the top 10% of income earners nationwide and top 4% in my state. So how do I survive and thrive? Common sense. I would only like to inject a little common sense into this debate. Throw out all theory and base ALL decisions on ONLY the facts.

Fact: The earth has warmed and cooled in cycles since it's beginning.
Fact: The earth is warming right now
Fact: The "Science" that supports man made global warming is funded by those who will get rich if it is proven true.
Theory: Burning fossil fuels is causing the earth to warm.
Theory: Al Gore is a human being.

I am not here to wind you up. Quite the opposite. Clearly we are on different sides of this issue and I would like your side to wind DOWN a bit before we give away all our rights and money to the people in power and the ones laughing their way to the bank, the same crowd that is getting rich off this hoax. I just want proven science and not scientific theory before I have to change my life for this cause.

.....and no, I am not a heavy equipment operator. I am a contractor for the banks. Today I need to go deal with another foreclosure. I'm sure it was just one more person that dedicated there life to something meaningful like climate change instead of earning a living. I will, however, be safe and I do appreciate your concern.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Well, you have come to the right place, GasGuzzler!

I hope that you won't turn out to be one of those members who only posts one time before deciding that this website is a SHITTY place for rational discussion.

Im a BM wrote:
Can it be assumed from what you have posted that you are so well versed in the physics of thermodynamics, you understand it BETTER than climate scientists?

Im a BM wrote:
"Fact: The earth has warmed and cooled in cycles since it's beginning.
Fact: The earth is warming right now." - GasGuzzler (December 30, 2016)

GasGuzzler made these two assertions of FACT in his second post, 8 years ago.

If I had begun a statement of my own with these two facts, which I know to be perfectly correct, I would have followed with a third fact, unique to our time.

Fact: The current warming is NOT consistent historic glacial cycles, during which the temperature rise did NOT accelerate, rather than slow down, as the cycle shifted back to glacial build up and sea level decline.

Im a BM wrote:
In the history of glaciation, this is WIERD.

Im a BM wrote:
But humans threw a wild card into the mix. We did so many things that caused the concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere to increase,

Im a BM wrote:
it shifted the pattern of the glacial cycle.

Im a BM wrote:
The 21st century should have begun a natural "cooling trend". It didn't happen.

Im a BM wrote:
And the "cooling trend" isn't GOING to happen for centuries if this continues.

Im a BM wrote:
To the contrary, unless atmospheric chemistry returns to something resembling "normal",

Im a BM wrote:
it is going to keep getting warmer for centuries.

Im a BM wrote:
My compliments to GasGuzzler for having the courage to honestly assert that,
"The earth is warming right now" in such a hostile environment.

GasGuzzler wrote:
A couple thousand years ago educators taught us the earth was flat.

50 years ago educators told us eating more salt would make us thirsty and help us to drink more water and keep us hydrated.

15 years ago educators told us eggs were bad bad bad. Now? pretty good stuff.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE CRAP I'VE BEEN FEAD!!

20 years ago my high school teacher told me I'd be lucky to flip burgers...right before I dropped out.....Yet today I am in the top 10% of income earners nationwide and top 4% in my state. So how do I survive and thrive? Common sense. I would only like to inject a little common sense into this debate. Throw out all theory and base ALL decisions on ONLY the facts.

Fact: The earth has warmed and cooled in cycles since it's beginning.
Fact: The earth is warming right now
Fact: The "Science" that supports man made global warming is funded by those who will get rich if it is proven true.
Theory: Burning fossil fuels is causing the earth to warm.
Theory: Al Gore is a human being.

I am not here to wind you up. Quite the opposite. Clearly we are on different sides of this issue and I would like your side to wind DOWN a bit before we give away all our rights and money to the people in power and the ones laughing their way to the bank, the same crowd that is getting rich off this hoax. I just want proven science and not scientific theory before I have to change my life for this cause.

.....and no, I am not a heavy equipment operator. I am a contractor for the banks. Today I need to go deal with another foreclosure. I'm sure it was just one more person that dedicated there life to something meaningful like climate change instead of earning a living. I will, however, be safe and I do appreciate your concern.

Im a BM wrote: Fact: The current warming is NOT consistent historic glacial cycles,

Im a BM wrote: ... during which the temperature rise did NOT accelerate,

Im a BM wrote: In the history of glaciation, this is WIERD.

Im a BM wrote: But humans threw a wild card into the mix.

Im a BM wrote: We did so many things that caused the concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere to increase,

Im a BM wrote: The 21st century should have begun a natural "cooling trend".

Im a BM wrote: And the "cooling trend" isn't GOING to happen for centuries if this continues.

Im a BM wrote: To the contrary, unless atmospheric chemistry returns to something resembling "normal", it is going to keep getting warmer for centuries.

Im a BM wrote: My compliments to GasGuzzler for having the courage to honestly assert that, "The earth is warming right now" in such a hostile environment.

Im a BM wrote:Oh, and we're just a few days away from the EIGHT YEAR ANNIVERSARY of GasGuzzler joining the discussion!

Im a BM wrote:
"Life is acidic." - IBdaMann

This is another biological science fact that they won't tell you in any of the so-called "textbooks".

"Life" has pH below 7.

Is my body even ALIVE?

The inside of my stomach is VERY MUCH alive. Strongly acidic.

The outside of my skin is at least somewhat alive and slightly acidic.

What about all the rest of my tissues and bodily fluids?

Virtually ALL of them have pH greater than 7.

How can I possibly be alive if "life is acidic"?

Wait, I think I know what happened.

"Alkaline environments are hostile to life and require special adaptations to survive." - IBdaMann

My body must have a whole lot of "special adaptations" for everything besides my skin and stomach to survive.

Im a BM wrote:
Somehow evolution allowed my STOMACH to generate acid to fix the problem.

Perhaps there will be some mutant in the future that injects stomach acid into the alkaline blood or lymph fluid, making it easier to survive in the hostile environment.

You know, plants have the same problem.

All kinds of special adaptations for the alkaline conditions they create inside of most of their tissues, etc.

But "Life is acidic", isn't it?

What the eff is that supposed to even MEAN?

Im a BM wrote:
"It is not possible to measure the pH of life" might be one rebuttal.

Is LIFE a CHEMICAL?

Is THAT why "life is acidic"?

If life is NOT a chemical, how can it be "acidic" when it is just a buzzword?

How can a buzzword be acidic?

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
"Life is acidic." - IBdaMann

This is another biological science fact that they won't tell you in any of the so-called "textbooks".

"Life" has pH below 7.

Is my body even ALIVE?

The inside of my stomach is VERY MUCH alive. Strongly acidic.

The outside of my skin is at least somewhat alive and slightly acidic.

What about all the rest of my tissues and bodily fluids?

Virtually ALL of them have pH greater than 7.

How can I possibly be alive if "life is acidic"?

Wait, I think I know what happened.

"Alkaline environments are hostile to life and require special adaptations to survive." - IBdaMann

My body must have a whole lot of "special adaptations" for everything besides my skin and stomach to survive.

It does, including your stomach and skin.

Im a BM wrote:
Somehow evolution allowed my STOMACH to generate acid to fix the problem.

Perhaps there will be some mutant in the future that injects stomach acid into the alkaline blood or lymph fluid, making it easier to survive in the hostile environment.

You know, plants have the same problem.

All kinds of special adaptations for the alkaline conditions they create inside of most of their tissues, etc.

But "Life is acidic", isn't it?

What the eff is that supposed to even MEAN?

Go learn what an acid is.

Im a BM wrote:
"It is not possible to measure the pH of life" might be one rebuttal.

Is LIFE a CHEMICAL?

Is THAT why "life is acidic"?

If life is NOT a chemical, how can it be "acidic" when it is just a buzzword?

How can a buzzword be acidic?

Your word games won't work here, Robert.

Im a BM wrote: What about all the rest of my tissues and bodily fluids? Virtually ALL of them have pH greater than 7.

Im a BM wrote: How can I possibly be alive if "life is acidic"?

GasGuzzler wrote:
A couple thousand years ago educators taught us the earth was flat.

50 years ago educators told us eating more salt would make us thirsty and help us to drink more water and keep us hydrated.

15 years ago educators told us eggs were bad bad bad. Now? pretty good stuff.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE CRAP I'VE BEEN FEAD!!

20 years ago my high school teacher told me I'd be lucky to flip burgers...right before I dropped out.....Yet today I am in the top 10% of income earners nationwide and top 4% in my state. So how do I survive and thrive? Common sense. I would only like to inject a little common sense into this debate. Throw out all theory and base ALL decisions on ONLY the facts.

Fact: The earth has warmed and cooled in cycles since it's beginning.
Fact: The earth is warming right now
Fact: The "Science" that supports man made global warming is funded by those who will get rich if it is proven true.
Theory: Burning fossil fuels is causing the earth to warm.
Theory: Al Gore is a human being.

I am not here to wind you up. Quite the opposite. Clearly we are on different sides of this issue and I would like your side to wind DOWN a bit before we give away all our rights and money to the people in power and the ones laughing their way to the bank, the same crowd that is getting rich off this hoax. I just want proven science and not scientific theory before I have to change my life for this cause.

.....and no, I am not a heavy equipment operator. I am a contractor for the banks. Today I need to go deal with another foreclosure. I'm sure it was just one more person that dedicated there life to something meaningful like climate change instead of earning a living. I will, however, be safe and I do appreciate your concern.

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: What about all the rest of my tissues and bodily fluids? Virtually ALL of them have pH greater than 7.

Stupid comment. Virtually ALL of them also have a pH of less than 7. Your organs and tissues hover around neutral, just like a body temperature hovers around 98.6F, but deviates based on the specific millions of conditions of the moment.

Im a BM wrote: How can I possibly be alive if "life is acidic"?

I already gave you a way to throw this in my face, but you EVADED. You drink an ounce of DRAIN-O (pH 13) and I'll slam an ounce of lime juice (pH 2) and we'll see how we each fare. When you suck down that manna from S. C. Johnson & Son, Inc., wipe your chin and tell me how it would go great in a margarita, I will totally concede defeat.

Drinking Lime Juice

Im a BM wrote:
Within hours of my very first post, IBdaMann encouraged me to:

"Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

So...

Google "pH of human body"

Says Google, "The pH of the human body is typically considered to be between 7.35 and 7.45"

Oh my goodness! It is ALKALINE. And if it were just one pH unit higher, it would be what IBdaMann calls "very alkaline", like sea water.

I'd be curious to know which TISSUES IBdaMann believes are ACIDIC, other than the lining of the stomach and the sweat gland output.

I thought that blood and lymphatic fluid accounted for nearly all volume of bodily fluids, and they are both ALKALINE.

He must have studied biology at a better school than I did.

Because HE knows that "Life is acidic". And ME? I don't even know what that is supposed to MEAN.

I'm so envious because he knows all this science that I can't even understand.

He knows why it is thermodynamically impossible for light gases such as hydrogen and helium to leave the atmosphere and float off into outer space.
All I can find are a bunch of LIES trying to calculate HOW MUCH hydrogen and helium leave the atmosphere to outer space.

He knows why it is chemically impossible for atmospheric carbon dioxide to cause ocean acidification. All I was taught were a bunch of LIES about the pH buffering of the carbonate system.

He understands the chemistry that makes pure water such an excellent pH buffer. I was just taught the LIE that water has virtually NO pH buffering capacity, and even just contact with atmospheric carbon dioxide would bring the pH of water down to about pH = 5.6, as carbonic acid forms.

He understands physics like NOBODY else. Debunks the LIES about so-called greenhouse gases having any properties that influence steady state temperature.

Talk about your EARTH SCIENCE expert, IBdaMann knows WHY the whole glacial cycle/sea level rise and fall thing is a big LIE. Geologists could learn a lot from him about how petroleum REALLY forms - NOT from any dead ancient organisms. Coal as well, he knows why it couldn't POSSIBLY have formed from the organic matter accumulated in ancient swamplands.

Man, I wish I were as smart as he is.

I wish he would at least tell me WHERE I could learn some of this stuff. I know I'm not allowed to use dictionaries or textbooks for definitions, but he won't tell me where ELSE to find them.

Somewhere there is a secret Bible of Falsifiable Theories.

I wish I knew where I could find it, and I can't get anyone to tell me.

If I had it, I could at least TRY to understand why climate change is impossible.

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: What about all the rest of my tissues and bodily fluids? Virtually ALL of them have pH greater than 7.

Stupid comment. Virtually ALL of them also have a pH of less than 7. Your organs and tissues hover around neutral, just like a body temperature hovers around 98.6F, but deviates based on the specific millions of conditions of the moment.

Im a BM wrote: How can I possibly be alive if "life is acidic"?

I already gave you a way to throw this in my face, but you EVADED. You drink an ounce of DRAIN-O (pH 13) and I'll slam an ounce of lime juice (pH 2) and we'll see how we each fare. When you suck down that manna from S. C. Johnson & Son, Inc., wipe your chin and tell me how it would go great in a margarita, I will totally concede defeat.

Drinking Lime Juice

Im a BM wrote: "Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

Im a BM wrote: Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

gfm7175 wrote:
CONGRATS GASGUZZLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert is very happy today, celebrating your anniversary here.

Im a BM wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
CONGRATS GASGUZZLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert is very happy today, celebrating your anniversary here.

PARTY TIME!

EXCELLENT!

Awesome that some of the old gang is here to celebrate.

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: "Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

I was being facetious. Google isn't any sort of authoritative source.

Im a BM wrote: Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

Nope.

Is the point of your post to tell me that you accept my challenge, i.e. that you are going to slam an ounce of Drain-O while I slam an ounce of lime juice?

Im a BM wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: "Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

I was being facetious. Google isn't any sort of authoritative source.

Im a BM wrote: Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

Nope.

Is the point of your post to tell me that you accept my challenge, i.e. that you are going to slam an ounce of Drain-O while I slam an ounce of lime juice?

Ah, shucks!

Because I just asked Google "are ions called chemicals?"


According to the gullible Marxist warmazombies who pull the strings behind the scenes at Google:

"Yes, ions are considered chemicals." (Google et al, 2024)

If that were not just a BLATENT LIE, it would mean that carbonate ion IS a chemical.

If it were a "chemical", we could at least use the term as part of discussion.

But it is not, so we can not.

Because if it is NOT a "chemical" it is most likely a "buzzword" that DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.

I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions.

Who am I trying to fool? Other than myself, that it.

Im a BM wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: "Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

I was being facetious. Google isn't any sort of authoritative source.

Im a BM wrote: Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

Nope.

Is the point of your post to tell me that you accept my challenge, i.e. that you are going to slam an ounce of Drain-O while I slam an ounce of lime juice?

Ah, shucks!

Because I just asked Google "are ions called chemicals?" Neither science nor chemistry is a search engine.


According to the gullible Marxist warmazombies who pull the strings behind the scenes at Google:

"Yes, ions are considered chemicals." (Google et al, 2024)

If that were not just a BLATENT LIE, it would mean that carbonate ion IS a chemical.

If it were a "chemical", we could at least use the term as part of discussion.

But it is not, so we can not.

Because if it is NOT a "chemical" it is most likely a "buzzword" that DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.

I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions.

Who am I trying to fool? Other than myself, that it.

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: "Google 'defining one's terms'." - IBdaMann

I was being facetious. Google isn't any sort of authoritative source.

Im a BM wrote: Apparently, Google could be trusted to provide a credible answer.

Nope.

Is the point of your post to tell me that you accept my challenge, i.e. that you are going to slam an ounce of Drain-O while I slam an ounce of lime juice?

Ah, shucks!

Because I just asked Google "are ions called chemicals?" Neither science nor chemistry is a search engine.


According to the gullible Marxist warmazombies who pull the strings behind the scenes at Google:

"Yes, ions are considered chemicals." (Google et al, 2024)

If that were not just a BLATENT LIE, it would mean that carbonate ion IS a chemical.

If it were a "chemical", we could at least use the term as part of discussion.

But it is not, so we can not.

Because if it is NOT a "chemical" it is most likely a "buzzword" that DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.

I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions. I DO believe in carbonate ions.

Who am I trying to fool? Other than myself, that it.

Carbonate is not a chemical. Ion is not a chemical.

Im a BM wrote:
One again Into the Night tells us only what is NOT a chemical.

What IS a chemical?

There must be some kind of definition you could offer besides "RQAA".

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
One again Into the Night tells us only what is NOT a chemical.

What IS a chemical?

There must be some kind of definition you could offer besides "RQAA".

Your illiteracy is YOUR problem. I am not going to teach you the English language.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Swan wrote: No there was not an ice age 10000 years ago as the Earth was much like today at that time. 22000 years ago there was an ice age

Im a BM wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
One again Into the Night tells us only what is NOT a chemical.

What IS a chemical?

There must be some kind of definition you could offer besides "RQAA".

Your illiteracy is YOUR problem. I am not going to teach you the English language.

The more you insist that the carbonate ion is "not a chemical", the more you prove that you don't even know what a chemical IS.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that carbonate ions can't possibly buffer against pH change upon addition of acid, the more you prove that you can't POSSIBLY be a chemist.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that WATER ITSELF is the big buffer of the sea, because "Dilution is buffering, moron", the more you prove that YOU are a moron.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: No there was not an ice age 10000 years ago as the Earth was much like today at that time. 22000 years ago there was an ice age

Too funny! Is this what you were told to regurgitate or did you take your time machine for a spin?

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
One again Into the Night tells us only what is NOT a chemical.

What IS a chemical?

There must be some kind of definition you could offer besides "RQAA".

Your illiteracy is YOUR problem. I am not going to teach you the English language.

The more you insist that the carbonate ion is "not a chemical", the more you prove that you don't even know what a chemical IS.

Carbonate is not a chemical.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that carbonate ions can't possibly buffer against pH change upon addition of acid, the more you prove that you can't POSSIBLY be a chemist.

Carbonate is not a chemical. You can't blame your problem on me.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that WATER ITSELF is the big buffer of the sea, because "Dilution is buffering, moron", the more you prove that YOU are a moron.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

Im a BM wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
One again Into the Night tells us only what is NOT a chemical.

What IS a chemical?

There must be some kind of definition you could offer besides "RQAA".

Your illiteracy is YOUR problem. I am not going to teach you the English language.

The more you insist that the carbonate ion is "not a chemical", the more you prove that you don't even know what a chemical IS.

Carbonate is not a chemical.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that carbonate ions can't possibly buffer against pH change upon addition of acid, the more you prove that you can't POSSIBLY be a chemist.

Carbonate is not a chemical. You can't blame your problem on me.

Im a BM wrote:

The more you insist that WATER ITSELF is the big buffer of the sea, because "Dilution is buffering, moron", the more you prove that YOU are a moron.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

Apology accepted.

And thank you for that reassurance.

I was worried that I may have lost your respect as a fellow chemist.

I was worried that you might think I was some kind of liar and fraud.

Im a BM wrote:
I have NO IDEA where the Internet finds these SCIENTIFICALLY ILLITERATE MORONS to publish BOGUS definitions for scientific terms.

Im a BM wrote:

Sulfate "reduction", for example. So many LIES about "sulfate reduction", which Into the Night has SO CLEARLY EXPLAINED, hundreds of times:

"Sulfate cannot be reduced." - Into the Night (a CHEMIST!)

Im a BM wrote:

To prove that I worship more gods than just Google, I'll take one of those FAKE "definitions" from WIKIPEDIA (boo! hiss!)

Question transmitted via Google: "what are sulfate reducing bacteria?"

Answer from WIKIPEDIA:

"Sulfate reducing microorganisms (SRM) or sulfate reducing prokaryotes (SRP) are a group composed of sulfate reducing bacteria (SR

and sulfate reducing archaea (SRA), both of which can perform anaerobic respiration utilizing sulfate SO4(2-) as terminal electron acceptor, reducing it to hydrogen sulfide H2S."

Im a BM wrote:

Wikipedia must be part of that vast conspiracy of Marxist warmazombies.

Im a BM wrote:

It refers to "sulfate" is if it were some kind of CHEMICAL. (Boo! hiss!)

Im a BM wrote:

It strongly implies that sulfate CAN be reduced. (BLASPHEMY!)

Im a BM wrote:

It seems to indicate that some kind of oxidation reduction reaction can occur in the absence of oxygen, during which a microorganism reduces sulfate in order to oxidize organic carbon.

Im a BM wrote:

Note:

Biologists used to have just one big KINGDOM of organisms they called "bacteria"

Now they distinguish TWO different KINGDOMS of organisms, radically different kinds of "bacteria".

Im a BM wrote:

Archaea bacteria are survivors of the OLDEST line of organisms on earth.

Im a BM wrote:

Rock evidence clearly shows sulfate reducing archaea bacteria already on the scene doing their thing at LEAST 3500 million years ago.

Im a BM wrote:

Newer lines of sulfate reducing bacteria compete with them now.

Im a BM wrote:

Too bad that the Wikipedia blurb didn't mention the inorganic carbon PRODUCT of anaerobic respiration, because it is of major significance to the discussion.

Im a BM wrote:

Sulfate reduction allows organisms to acquire energy from the oxidation of organic carbon in the absence of oxygen, and the inorganic (oxidized) carbon product is NOT carbon dioxide, but rather carbonate or bicarbonate.

Im a BM wrote:

Just think how FAR REACHING the conspiracy has to be to pull this off.

Im a BM wrote:

The Marxist warmazombies are just flooding the zone with FAKE science about so called "greenhouse gases" and "climate change".

Im a BM wrote:

They have some sinister agenda to push the anti chemistry propaganda about so-called "sulfate reduction".

Im a BM wrote:

Still can't figure out who is enhancing their wealth or power this way, but they have a lot of bribe money to spread around to get all the textbooks, dictionaries, and so-called "scientists" on board to push the BIG LIE of this "sulfate reduction" hoax