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It's Coming - Be Prepared16-11-2019 21:01
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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The Ohio House of Representatives recently passed HB 164 (not yet passed by the Sate Senate) which addresses education. The end of the bill addresses (affirms) students' religious freedom of expression. The bill specifies that students cannot be either penalized or rewarded for expressing a religious view, if the view is a result of a religious belief.

This is nothing that isn't already covered under the 1st Amendment.

Marxists are already bashing Christians, however, by mischaracterizing the bill as allowing students to be "scientifically wrong" without losing points on assignments and tests.


(A) Sections 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 of the Revised Code shall be collectively known as the "Ohio Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019 ."

Sec. 3320.01.
(B) As used in sections 3320.01 to 3320.03 of the Revised Code, "religious expression" includes any of the following:
(1) Prayer;
(2) Religious gatherings, including but not limited to prayer groups, religious clubs, "see you at the pole" gatherings, or other religious gatherings;
(3) Distribution of written materials or literature of a religious nature;
(4) Any other activity of a religious nature, including wearing symbolic clothing or expression of a religious viewpoint, provided that the activity is not obscene, vulgar, offensively lewd, or indecent.

Sec. 3320.02. (A) A student enrolled in a public school may engage in religious expression before, during, and after school hours in the same manner and to the same extent that a student is permitted to engage in secular activities or expression before, during, and after school hours. (B) A school district, community school established under Chapter 3314., STEM school established under Chapter 3326., or a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall give the same access to school facilities to students who wish to conduct a meeting for the purpose of engaging in religious expression as is given to secular student groups, without regard to the content of a student's or group's expression.

Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

Sec. 3326.11. Each science, technology, engineering, and mathematics school established under this chapter and its governing body shall comply with sections 9.90, 9.91, 109.65, 121.22, 149.43, 2151.357, 2151.421, 2313.19, 2921.42, 2921.43, 3301.0714, 3301.0715, 3301.0729, 3301.948, 3313.14, 3313.15, 3313.16, 3313.18, 3313.201, 3313.26, 3313.472, 3313.48, 3313.481, 3313.482, 3313.50, 3313.536, 3313.539, 3313.5310, 3313.608, 3313.6012, 3313.6013, 3313.6014, 3313.6015, 3313.6020, 3313.6021, 3313.61, 3313.611, 3313.614, 3313.615, 3313.643, 3313.648, 3313.6411, 3313.66, 3313.661, 3313.662, 3313.666, 3313.667, 3313.668, 3313.67, 3313.671, 3313.672, 3313.673, 3313.69, 3313.71, 3313.716, 3313.718, 3313.719, 3313.7112, 3313.721, 3313.80, 3313.801, 3313.814, 3313.816, 3313.817, 3313.86, 3313.89, 3313.96, 3319.073, 3319.21, 3319.32, 3319.321, 3319.35, 3319.39, 3319.391, 3319.41, 3319.45, 3319.46, 3320.01, 3320.02, 3320.03, 3321.01, 3321.041, 3321.05, 3321.13, 3321.14, 3321.141, 3321.17, 3321.18, 3321.19, 3321.191, 3327.10, 4111.17, 4113.52, and 5705.391 and Chapters 102., 117., 1347., 2744., 3307., 3309., 3365., 3742., 4112., 4123., 4141., and 4167. of the Revised Code as if it were a school district.

Sec. 3328.24. A college-preparatory boarding school established under this chapter and its board of trustees shall comply with sections 102.02, 3301.0710, 3301.0711, 3301.0712, 3301.0714, 3301.0729, 3301.948, 3313.536, 3313.6013, 3313.6021, 3313.6411, 3313.7112, 3313.721, 3313.89, 3319.39, 3319.391, and 3319.46, 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 and Chapter 3365. of the Revised Code as if the school were a school district and the school's board of trustees were a district board of education.

Section 2. That existing sections 3313.601, 3314.03, 3326.11, and 3328.24 of the Revised Code are hereby repealed.

Section 3. Section 3328.24 of the Revised Code is presented in this act as a composite of the section as amended by both Am. Sub. H.B. 410 and Sub. S.B. 3 of the 131st General Assembly. The General Assembly, applying the principle stated in division (B) of section 1.52 of the Revised Code that amendments are to be harmonized if reasonably capable of simultaneous operation, finds that the composite is the resulting version of the section in effect prior to the effective date of the section as presented in this act.

Section 4. Nothing in this act is intended or shall be construed to limit or abrogate religious expression of students already guaranteed under the Ohio Constitution and the United States Constitution.



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16-11-2019 21:15
HarveyH55
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For the vast majority of students, they are going to regurgitate, exactly what the learned in class, hoping to give the teacher what's expected, the simpler approach to school work. Given an alternative, religious, response will take a lot more work and research, than simply responding 'God', or quoting a few scriptures. Nothing wrong with faith, but it's really hard to explain on paper. Of course, they would need to show a working understanding of the science version, to show it's wrong, and their religious version is correct. A student that goes through all that extra effort certainly deserves a fair grade, even if it's just BS.
16-11-2019 22:40
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
For the vast majority of students, they are going to regurgitate, exactly what the learned in class, hoping to give the teacher what's expected, the simpler approach to school work. Given an alternative, religious, response will take a lot more work and research, than simply responding 'God', or quoting a few scriptures. Nothing wrong with faith, but it's really hard to explain on paper. Of course, they would need to show a working understanding of the science version, to show it's wrong, and their religious version is correct. A student that goes through all that extra effort certainly deserves a fair grade, even if it's just BS.


The 'science version' of what?


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16-11-2019 23:09
olyz
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Scientific version of creation? Where did the Big Bang come from?
17-11-2019 01:56
HarveyH55
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I'm not a Christian Science scholar at all, but aware that there is a lot more than evolution to it. I'm more interested in the tradition science, the others are a little too metaphysical for me.
17-11-2019 07:24
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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olyz wrote:
Scientific version of creation? Where did the Big Bang come from?


The Theory of Creation is not a scientific theory. Neither is the Theory of the Big Bang.

Science has no theories about past unobserved events. There is no way to test them without going back in time to the event to see what actually happened.

Both theories remain circular, and have arguments extending from them. They are both religions.

The same is true of the Theory of Evolution, the Theory of Abiogenesis, and the Theory of the Continuum.

So when a school teaches any of this stuff, it is not teaching science. It is teaching religion.

Even worse, they teach the so-called 'global warming' religion, even though 'global warming' remains undefined. It's not a theory at all, scientific or otherwise. You have to have a valid argument to have a theory, which is an explanatory argument. Using an undefined word as the basis of any argument is to produce a void argument fallacy.

Yet the schools teach this religion also.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 17-11-2019 07:30
17-11-2019 16:06
HarveyH55
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So, it's just another pointless, useless law, all schools only teach religion. This proposed law just points out that students have the right to chose which religion they base their work on, rather than regurgitate what's forced on them in class...
17-11-2019 16:46
James___
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Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

All this is saying is ignore any religious expression in their work. An example of this is - God created the universe in 8 days. Scientists are wrong when they say it's about 15 billion years old.
As far as the law reads, my answer was that the universe is about 15 billion years old. The opinion or reasons I gave did not matter. The separation of church and state would agree with this. People's personal religious beliefs are not a part of a school's academic curriculum. And a chess club or a Bible study group is not a part of the academic curriculum but is a social activity.
All the law allows for is for religious people to disagree with the curriculum. I wonder if someone will try challenging this by saying God created the universe in 8 days on a test.
If so, about all they would have to be asked is where is math in the Bible and what is its definition of a day? Neither answer is given in the Bible. It would seem that even in the Bible that they relied on what others learned outside of the Bible to help give what was written meaning.
Edited on 17-11-2019 16:47




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