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22-09-2016 00:17
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Surface Detail wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
You evidently haven't learned enough. If you think that neither science or engineering is based on observation, you need to learn more and become scientifically literate.


I do not need to observe anything to design a power supply, an oscillator, a cooling fan, or a robot.

I do not need to observe anything to design a bridge, a car, a locomotive, a ship, or an aircraft.

I do not need to observe anything to write computer code or the algorithms that are used.

I do not need to observe anything to design a theory, test it, or incorporate it into that body of theories we call science.

How can you possibly test a theory without observing anything?


Mathematics, logic, thought experiment.


The Parrot Killer
22-09-2016 00:26
Surface Detail
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Into the Night wrote:
Surface Detail wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
You evidently haven't learned enough. If you think that neither science or engineering is based on observation, you need to learn more and become scientifically literate.


I do not need to observe anything to design a power supply, an oscillator, a cooling fan, or a robot.

I do not need to observe anything to design a bridge, a car, a locomotive, a ship, or an aircraft.

I do not need to observe anything to write computer code or the algorithms that are used.

I do not need to observe anything to design a theory, test it, or incorporate it into that body of theories we call science.

How can you possibly test a theory without observing anything?


Mathematics, logic, thought experiment.

I think you're confusing science with philosophy.

Why do you think scientists perform experiments, build and use telescopes, microscopes, space probes, particle accelerators and the like?
22-09-2016 00:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Surface Detail wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Surface Detail wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
You evidently haven't learned enough. If you think that neither science or engineering is based on observation, you need to learn more and become scientifically literate.


I do not need to observe anything to design a power supply, an oscillator, a cooling fan, or a robot.

I do not need to observe anything to design a bridge, a car, a locomotive, a ship, or an aircraft.

I do not need to observe anything to write computer code or the algorithms that are used.

I do not need to observe anything to design a theory, test it, or incorporate it into that body of theories we call science.

How can you possibly test a theory without observing anything?


Mathematics, logic, thought experiment.

I think you're confusing science with philosophy.

Why do you think scientists perform experiments, build and use telescopes, microscopes, space probes, particle accelerators and the like?


They're curious. What's wrong with that? Why do you pay good money for a movie?


The Parrot Killer
22-09-2016 00:38
jwoodward48
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Ugh, you ninja-ed me!

Why do you think that "heavy objects inherently fall faster than light objects" was an accepted statement for so many years? I can make equations until the day I die, but if they don't correspond to reality, that's not science. Science is firmly grounded in reality precisely because it is constantly checking that the theory and the data match up.
22-09-2016 04:50
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote: it is constantly checking that the theory and the data match up.

No one told the warmizombies that you're not supposed to fudge data to ensure they "match."


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-09-2016 05:04
jwoodward48
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But somebody told you that the "warmizombies" are fudging data. Tell me, who? Who initiated you into the religion of Denial?
22-09-2016 12:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:
But somebody told you that the "warmizombies" are fudging data. Tell me, who? Who initiated you into the religion of Denial?


The only one here denying anything is you.

First, you deny that the warmizombie himself fudged the data.

Second, you deny the reason he did so.

Third, you deny the observation made by someone who saw them doing it.

Fourth, you deny the science that makes such fudging an issue.


The Parrot Killer
22-09-2016 13:44
Surface Detail
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You're the one claiming that fudging is going on. Where's your evidence?
22-09-2016 13:55
spot
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first reaming is introduced into the discussion now fudging, is there something we should know ITN?
22-09-2016 16:14
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote: first reaming is introduced into the discussion now fudging, is there something we should know ITN?

Don't blame Into the Night.

I am the one who occasionally points out how warmizombies were indoctrinated into the religion by people they trusted who ended up bending them over and reaming them, while they begged for more.

I, too, recognize fudged data.

You get bonus points, however, for having a mind completely in the gutter. I got a slight chuckle out of your allusion.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-09-2016 16:23
spot
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You introduced the subject, I'm just trying to communicate at a level you can understand. something about you brings out the inner 12 year old. Sorry about getting you pair confused, but with two pompous people suffering the same delusion it does get confusing.

never stop trolling.
22-09-2016 16:53
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote: You introduced the subject, I'm just trying to communicate at a level you can understand.

Could you dumb it down even further?

spot wrote: something about you brings out the inner 12 year old.

Was that the year you finally graduated from the 5th grade?

spot wrote: Sorry about getting you pair confused, but with two pompous people suffering the same delusion it does get confusing.

I'll tell you what, if you are ever in doubt, just blame me. Don't waste any time. I'll gladly be your go-to target. It'll be fun.

spot wrote: never stop trolling.

So you're saying that it comes with your endorsement?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
Edited on 22-09-2016 16:54
22-09-2016 18:04
spot
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IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote: You introduced the subject, I'm just trying to communicate at a level you can understand.

Could you dumb it down even further?

spot wrote: something about you brings out the inner 12 year old.

Was that the year you finally graduated from the 5th grade?

spot wrote: Sorry about getting you pair confused, but with two pompous people suffering the same delusion it does get confusing.

I'll tell you what, if you are ever in doubt, just blame me. Don't waste any time. I'll gladly be your go-to target. It'll be fun.

spot wrote: never stop trolling.

So you're saying that it comes with your endorsement?


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Dumb something down so that you understand it? impossible.
22-09-2016 19:06
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote: Dumb something down so that you understand it? impossible.

I was just wondering if you could possibly dumb your posts down any more than they are.

If it is possible it would take you to do it.

Can you dumb your posts down any more?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-09-2016 21:52
spot
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You remind me of a cartoon character that they had over here. Mr logic hes a pain in the arse.

22-09-2016 23:31
jwoodward48
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No, he's not even logical. Just a pain in the arse.
23-09-2016 05:41
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:No, he's not even logical. Just a pain in the arse.

You don't get to criticize until you actually science.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 08:35
spot
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Have you been drinking?
Edited on 23-09-2016 08:36
23-09-2016 14:25
jwoodward48
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I have scienced. I've been sciencing since I came here.
23-09-2016 16:33
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:I have scienced. I've been sciencing since I came here.

That's not sciencing. You've been religioning. You cannot distinguish between sciencing and religioning.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 16:34
jwoodward48
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No. That is you.
23-09-2016 17:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:No. That is you.

Let's see.

On what "climate" science that you have reviewed and understand are your beliefs based?

Part of my sciencing that rejects your religioning involves Stefan-Boltzmann.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 17:29
jwoodward48
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No, because SB does not apply to everything. Probably not gases, and definitely not composite, heterogenous bodies.
23-09-2016 17:36
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:No, because SB does not apply to everything. Probably not gases, and definitely not composite, heterogenous bodies.

Besides your religio-politically motivated science denial, do you have anything substantive to support your claim?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 18:02
jwoodward48
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Yeah. The spectra I posted. If SB is derived from Planck's Law, and Planck's Law doesn't apply to gases, then why would SB?
23-09-2016 20:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:
Yeah. The spectra I posted. If SB is derived from Planck's Law, and Planck's Law doesn't apply to gases, then why would SB?


You are trying to substantiate inconsistent application of S-B by using another unsubstantiated statement of inconsistency??


The Parrot Killer
23-09-2016 20:11
Surface Detail
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Into the Night wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Yeah. The spectra I posted. If SB is derived from Planck's Law, and Planck's Law doesn't apply to gases, then why would SB?


You are trying to substantiate inconsistent application of S-B by using another unsubstantiated statement of inconsistency??

He's right. Planck's law doesn't apply to gases. See the Argumentum ex fitque thread.
23-09-2016 20:28
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Surface Detail wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Yeah. The spectra I posted. If SB is derived from Planck's Law, and Planck's Law doesn't apply to gases, then why would SB?


You are trying to substantiate inconsistent application of S-B by using another unsubstantiated statement of inconsistency??

He's right. Planck's law doesn't apply to gases. See the Argumentum ex fitque thread.

Into the Night, he's not correct. It turns out that all this time Surface Detail has simply misunderstood Planck's.

The root of his misunderstanding is that he's not all that proficient at reading a function. Planck's takes as input a temperature and a wavelength and states the energy level of that emission. Surface Detail somehow read into that function the requirement to emit at all wavelengths.

His claim for gases violating Planck's law is based on gases not emitting at all wavelengths. I don't know what to say to him other than to learn a bit more about functions, and for Planck's specifically, that if a particular gas or other substance doesn't radiate at a particular wavelength then you just don't put that value into Planck's to compute its emission energy.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 20:38
jwoodward48
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But the energy levels don't follow Planck's either!
23-09-2016 20:41
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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jwoodward48 wrote:But the energy levels don't follow Planck's either!

Like you've shown that.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2016 23:35
Surface Detail
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IBdaMann wrote:
The root of his misunderstanding is that he's not all that proficient at reading a function. Planck's takes as input a temperature and a wavelength and states the energy level of that emission. Surface Detail somehow read into that function the requirement to emit at all wavelengths.

It's totally obvious from the nature of the function that, for a particular temperature, any wavelength you plug into the equation will give a non-zero spectral radiance (not energy) over a continuous range. How could you possibly think that Planck's law, with just two input variables, could give rise to a spectral radiance curve as complex as that of neon! That's just ridiculous.
23-09-2016 23:49
jwoodward48
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That's not what he said. He said that for the wavelengths at which any substance radiates, Planck's Law correctly predicts the flux.
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