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Humidity and CO212-06-2016 11:31
Humidity2
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Logically ought atmospheric CO2 content be almost constant. However, the measurements as CO2 level jumps up and down relative to the water content.

My question is about the average moisture content in the atmosphere at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, has fallen to the same extent as CO2 has increased?
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12-06-2016 12:33
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Do you have any data on the water vapor levels at Mauna Loa and at what altitudes?
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12-06-2016 23:15
Humidity2
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Tim the plumber wrote:
Do you have any data on the water vapor levels at Mauna Loa and at what altitudes?


No, I am a nonprofessional.
12-06-2016 23:57
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Tim the plumber wrote:
Do you have any data on the water vapor levels at Mauna Loa and at what altitudes?


Humidity today is approx 64%. Average humidity this week is forecast to be about 58%.


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14-06-2016 19:24
Humidity2
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Into the Night wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
Do you have any data on the water vapor levels at Mauna Loa and at what altitudes?


Humidity today is approx 64%. Average humidity this week is forecast to be about 58%.


That is humidity 64% and humidity 58% in ppm?
14-06-2016 23:37
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Humidity2 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
Do you have any data on the water vapor levels at Mauna Loa and at what altitudes?


Humidity today is approx 64%. Average humidity this week is forecast to be about 58%.


That is humidity 64% and humidity 58% in ppm?


Humidity is not measured in ppm. It is measured in percentage of air saturation with moisture. It can also be expressed as a temperature-dewpoint spread. One is convertible to the other.

When temperature reaches the dewpoint, visible moisture appears. This is also the same as 100% humidity at that point.

Clouds tend to appear flat on the bottom because that is the point where the air has cooled enough to reach the dewpoint. Clouds often appear lumpy on top because the rising air carries that visible moisture with it.

The reason the cloud HAS a top is because the visible moisture has essentially fallen out of the air, further reducing it's effective dewpoint.

Clouds may layer because the temperature may again fall to the dewpoint at a higher altitude.

Look up humidity, dewpoint-temperature spread, and how to convert between them. (There are web calculators available to make this job easier).

Today, the humidity at Mauna Loa weather station is at 99% (it's raining there).


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17-06-2016 11:39
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Into the Night wrote:
Humidity is not measured in ppm. It is measured in percentage of air saturation with moisture. It can also be expressed as a temperature-dewpoint spread. One is convertible to the other.


You have need to measure the humidity in ppm to compare with CO2 in ppm.

The ppm of 100% air saturation moisture, is rising and falling with the pressure. And if pressure of Mauna Loa had fallen, the CO2 had go up in ppm, when the air becomes dryer (in ppm).

Mauna Loa is a high mountain, and pressure changes, therefore, more than at sea level.
17-06-2016 22:08
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Humidity2 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Humidity is not measured in ppm. It is measured in percentage of air saturation with moisture. It can also be expressed as a temperature-dewpoint spread. One is convertible to the other.


You have need to measure the humidity in ppm to compare with CO2 in ppm.

The ppm of 100% air saturation moisture, is rising and falling with the pressure. And if pressure of Mauna Loa had fallen, the CO2 had go up in ppm, when the air becomes dryer (in ppm).

Mauna Loa is a high mountain, and pressure changes, therefore, more than at sea level.


Mauna Loa isn't that high..only 13000 feet. Humidity is often GREATER at altitude than at sea level since you are often closer to the point where dew point and temperature meet. It can also be LOWER, if the cloud layer is below that altitude.

For this reason, Mauna Loa measures its own humidity (it's also a weather station that is not on the NOAA network).

Humidity is not measured in ppm. That is a nonsensical scale to use for it.

The concentration of CO2 is not affected by humidity. The instrument itself however, may be. ANY water vapor in the instrument is going to affect the readings, since water vapor also responds to the same infrared frequencies as carbon dioxide.

You can reduce humidity in the instrument through the use of compressors, desiccant techniques, and such, but you can never bring it to zero.


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19-06-2016 18:41
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Into the Night wrote:
The concentration of CO2 is not affected by humidity.


If the concentration of CO2 is not affected by humidity, how can you determine the 999,600 ppm, which are not CO2?

If humidity is 400,000 ppm and go down to 300,000 ppm, how are growing CO2 and the other gases. They all are growing from 600,000 ppm to 700,000 ppm. 17%.
19-06-2016 21:28
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Humidity2 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
The concentration of CO2 is not affected by humidity.


If the concentration of CO2 is not affected by humidity, how can you determine the 999,600 ppm, which are not CO2?

If humidity is 400,000 ppm and go down to 300,000 ppm, how are growing CO2 and the other gases. They all are growing from 600,000 ppm to 700,000 ppm. 17%.


1000000 - 400 = 999600.

If CO2 is 400ppm, everything else is not CO2.


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21-06-2016 02:09
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Into the Night wrote:1000000 - 400 = 999600.

I did not want to rush to judgement so I had Russian mathematicians validate your work.


It checks out. Carry on.


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22-06-2016 20:20
Humidity2
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I try with a better example:
Year 1958: 310 ppm CO2 | 333,230 ppm H2O | 666,460 ppm other gases.

Year 2016: 400 ppm CO2 | 139,652 ppm H2O | 859,948 ppm other gases.
22-06-2016 22:59
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Humidity2 wrote:
I try with a better example:
Year 1958: 310 ppm CO2 | 333,230 ppm H2O | 666,460 ppm other gases.

Year 2016: 400 ppm CO2 | 139,652 ppm H2O | 859,948 ppm other gases.


Where are you getting your numbers for H20 ppm? Please describe the source (who made the measurement), the instrumentation used, where and when it was used, and the method of summarization used.

Without this information, these are just random numbers.


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