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How to solve climate change.26-09-2021 05:02
Lol_dude
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Maybe we should rely on science instead.

Think about glucose. This is edible by humans and animals alike. Its chemical formula is C6H12O6.

Carbon dioxide and methane are the most common greenhouse gasses.

CO2
and
CH4.

If you add them up, you get C2H4O2.

Now, if you multiply that by 3, you get C6H12O6. Look familiar?

And therefore, 3 CO2 + 3 CH4 + Energy = C6H12O6.
17-03-2022 21:24
RenaissanceMan
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1,275 views and this is the first reply. Absolutely inconceivable that such stuff as the opening post is ignored.

1. THE most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor. Its concentration is ~15,000 ppmv.
2. Water vapor absorbs infrared radiation far better than CO2 does.
3. One cannot "add" formulas and get a new compound. That is childishness.

This post by Lol Dude does NOT rely on science.
31-03-2022 15:07
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
1,275 views and this is the first reply. Absolutely inconceivable that such stuff as the opening post is ignored.

1. THE most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor. Its concentration is ~15,000 ppmv.
2. Water vapor absorbs infrared radiation far better than CO2 does.
3. One cannot "add" formulas and get a new compound. That is childishness.

This post by Lol Dude does NOT rely on science.


Oh, so true RM, but aren't all of mankind childish? After all, that's how we got into this mess in the first place.

As for you LD, you keep right on calculating. Remember, in every lie there's a little bit of truth, and in every truth there's a little lie. I'm not quite sure what that has to do with anything, but you're obviously very smart and I'm sure you will figure it out.
Edited on 31-03-2022 15:10
01-04-2022 00:56
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
1,275 views and this is the first reply. Absolutely inconceivable that such stuff as the opening post is ignored.

1. THE most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor. Its concentration is ~15,000 ppmv.

There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas'. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. See the 1st law of thermodynamics:
E(t+1) = E(t) - U where 'E' is energy, 't' is time, and 'U' is work.

RenaissanceMan wrote:
2. Water vapor absorbs infrared radiation far better than CO2 does.

Water absorbs more frequencies too. That does not warm the Earth.

The surface has to emit infrared light, dude. Doing that takes energy. That cools the surface.

It is just the warmer surface heating the colder atmosphere by something other than conductive heating. It is radiant heating. Big hairy deal.

RenaissanceMan wrote:
3. One cannot "add" formulas and get a new compound. That is childishness.

It's actually what you do to describe a reaction, dude.
RenaissanceMan wrote:
This post by Lol Dude does NOT rely on science.

Chemistry is a branch of science.

Fortunately, there is an easier way to make a carbohydrate. Plant something.


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29-11-2022 09:57
Nielsenbr56
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The Antarctic ice cores prove that global warming occurs regularly - and much hotter than today - despite CO2 levels never exceeding 280ppm. SO the dogma of GHGs being a 'major cause' of CC is bogus, put about to get money from richer countries and damage their economies.
29-11-2022 15:56
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:The Antarctic ice cores prove that global warming occurs regularly

Why do you believe this? Are you simply regurgitating WACKY things that you were ordered to believe?

Ice cores do not provide any information beyond, perhaps, how much precipitation occurred over a given year at a particular spot.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:- and much hotter than today - despite CO2 levels never exceeding 280ppm.

Why do you claim to know atmospheric CO2 levels of the distant, unobserved past when you don't even know what they are today?

Nielsenbr56 wrote: SO the dogma of GHGs being a 'major cause' of CC is bogus,

I'm inclined to agree; I find the entire religion to be bogus. Nonetheless, you still must unambiguously define "GHGs" and "CC."

Nielsenbr56 wrote: put about to get money from richer countries and damage their economies.

I'm inclined to agree. Nonetheless, you must unambiguously define your terms.
29-11-2022 16:52
Nielsenbr56
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Belief is just opinion - when you think you know something without evidence. FAct is backed by actual tested theory through measurement. The Antarctic Ice Cores measure air trapped in the Antarctic Ice (look it up) deep in the Southern Ice Cap. Each year of compacted ice appears like rings on a tree and the analysis of the trapped atmosphere provides direct measurement of all components of the air at that time, including IR absorbers (GHGs). I'm not sure why you think we can't measure CO2 levels in the air today, as well as other gases, it's pretty straightforward.
29-11-2022 17:31
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:Belief is just opinion

Belief is one's speculation.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:- when you think you know something without evidence.

Nope. This is self-delusion. It is an omniscience fallacy.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:FAct is backed by actual tested theory through measurement.

Nope. A fact is that which is not disputed by the participants in a discussion, e.g. the facts surrounding a murder trial are those items that are stipulated by both the prosecution and the defense. Those items in dispute are the "arguments" or the "claims."

Nielsenbr56 wrote:The Antarctic Ice Cores measure air trapped in the Antarctic Ice

Ice cores do not measure anything.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:including IR absorbers (GHGs)

All substances absorb IR. All of them. Your position is that all substances are therefore gases. Don't you think that is a pretty stupid position?

Nielsenbr56 wrote:I'm not sure why you think we can't measure CO2 levels in the air today,

I'm not sure why you believe we can measure the Earth's atmospheric CO2 content, however I'm happy to open the floor to you to explain how you believe this can be accomplished today.
29-11-2022 17:47
Nielsenbr56
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No a fact is NOT what people agree on. Just because people agree an old man lives in the sky called god, or that they live on after dying, does not a fact make. A fact in SCIENCE is a theory established as accurate through measurement - and, yes, that 'truth' changes with new measurements, moving us from Newtonian to Quantum Mechanics and will change again, but those are refinements towards establishing a truth independent of opinion (belief). What is pretty stupid is your non-sequitur that because all substances absorb IR are therefore gases. You asked for a SPECIFIC fact that identifies what GHGs are - and that is, GHGs absorb IR - so - obviously to most intelligent people, we are talking about atmospheric gases and vapour, since they are relevant to the question. I just forgot you're a troll. I can only presume you also have difficulty using a book to read how to measure gas composition in the air?
29-11-2022 19:59
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:No a fact is NOT what people agree on.

A fact is what people agree on. I gave you the court case example. Perhaps you are too stupid to learn.

If you and I were to agree that Corn Flakes is the best creation mankind has ever made, then it is a fact in our discussion. However, the moment GasGuzzler joins our discussion and claims that Fruit Loops is clearly the best creation mankind has ever made, then all of our positions become our claims and our rationales become our arguments. Intellectual cowards who cannot support their positions but who nonetheless need their positions to be accepted as "facts" try to create breakout rooms in which they ban anyone who does not also agree to their positions.

Nielsenbr56 wrote: Just because people agree an old man lives in the sky called god, or that they live on after dying, does not a fact make.

Yes. That is what makes it a fact. Whenever Into the Night and gfm7175 engage in a discussion, that supposition is very much a fact. However, the moment you join such a discussion, that supposition ceases to be a fact, and becomes a claim.

Nielsenbr56 wrote: A fact in SCIENCE is a theory established as accurate through measurement

This is gibber-babble nonsense. You clearly do not know what science is.

All of science is a fact because everybody agrees to all of it ... by virtue of nobody showing any of it to be false. All of science has passed the scrutiny of the scientific method and nobody has, as of yet, shown any of it to be false. If anyone does show any science to be false, it is discarded

Nielsenbr56 wrote:- and, yes, that 'truth' changes with new measurements, moving us from Newtonian to Quantum Mechanics and will change again, but those are refinements towards establishing a truth independent of opinion (belief).

There is so much wrong with this statement above that I will have to unpack it.

1. If the new measurements differ from the old measurements, then someone screwed up on the measurements somewhere.
2. No, we have not abandoned classical physics.
3. Science does not establish truth and it never confirms anything as "true." Yes, we presume science is true, but with the understanding that we could be mistaken and that tomorrow it could be shown to be false.
4. You are trying to get your speculations relabelled as "fact" and not your mere opinion.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:What is pretty stupid is your non-sequitur that because all substances absorb IR are therefore gases.

That is your position. You defined greenhouse gases as IR-absorbing substances. That was not my definition; it was yours. I will remind you that all substances absorb IR. This means that your position is that all substances are greenhouse gas. I will again remind you that this is a stupid position for you to have.

I will presume that you are not very good at formal logic.

Nielsenbr56 wrote: You asked for a SPECIFIC fact that identifies what GHGs are

Nope. That doesn't make any sense and is nothing I would ever request.

Nielsenbr56 wrote: - and that is, GHGs absorb IR

All substances absorb IR, therefore by your definition all substances are GHGs. You really aren't following your own logic, are you?

Nielsenbr56 wrote: I just forgot you're a troll.

I just forgot, you are a scientifically illiterate intellectual coward who cannot support his stupid positions so he needs a safe space in which to post so that I can't pop his delicate delusion bubbles with my science and/or differing positions.

Nielsenbr56 wrote: I can only presume you also have difficulty using a book to read how to measure gas composition in the air?

I can only presume that you are now realizing that what you wrote previously was terribly stupid, that you are embarrassed, that you realize you will never be accepted as any sort of expert in this forum, and that you must now dedicate your efforts to portraying your stupid claim of knowing earth's quantity of atmospheric CO2 as somehow being my fault.
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29-11-2022 23:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:
The Antarctic ice cores prove that global warming occurs regularly - and much hotter than today - despite CO2 levels never exceeding 280ppm. SO the dogma of GHGs being a 'major cause' of CC is bogus, put about to get money from richer countries and damage their economies.

Ice cores do not measure temperature. They do not measure global atmospheric CO2 concentration. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth or the global atmospheric CO2 concentration.


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29-11-2022 23:29
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:
Belief is just opinion - when you think you know something without evidence. FAct is backed by actual tested theory through measurement.
[quote]Nielsenbr56 wrote:
The Antarctic Ice Cores measure air trapped in the Antarctic Ice (look it up) deep in the Southern Ice Cap. Each year of compacted ice appears like rings on a tree and the analysis of the trapped atmosphere provides direct measurement of all components of the air at that time, including IR absorbers (GHGs). I'm not sure why you think we can't measure CO2 levels in the air today, as well as other gases, it's pretty straightforward.


It is not possible to measure global atmospheric CO2 concentration.
Ice cores do not measure temperature.
Tree rings do not measure temperature.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
29-11-2022 23:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Nielsenbr56 wrote:
No a fact is NOT what people agree on.

That is exactly what a fact is. A fact is an assumed predicate. The moment someone in the conversation disputes that predicate, it is no longer a fact. It is an argument.

A fact is not a proof. It is not a Universal Truth.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
Just because people agree an old man lives in the sky called god, or that they live on after dying, does not a fact make.

Yes it does.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
A fact in SCIENCE

Science is not facts. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
is a theory established as accurate

It is not possible to prove any theory true, not even a scientific one.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
through measurement - and, yes, that 'truth' changes with new measurements,

Observations and the data produced by them are not a proof. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:
moving us from Newtonian to Quantum Mechanics and will change again,

Newton's laws have not been falsified.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
but those are refinements towards establishing a truth

Science isn't a 'truth'. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
independent of opinion (belief).

An theory is an explanatory argument. An argument is a set of predicates and a conclusion. ALL arguments are opinions. A theory of science is falsifiable, that is, you can conduct a test of the theory itself to try to break it.

No theory can be proven True.

Nielsenbr56 wrote:
What is pretty stupid is your non-sequitur that because all substances absorb IR are therefore gases.

All substances absorb infrared light, regardless of whether it's a gas, liquid, or solid.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
You asked for a SPECIFIC fact that identifies what GHGs are - and that is, GHGs absorb IR

There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas'. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
- so - obviously to most intelligent people, we are talking about atmospheric gases and vapour, since they are relevant to the question.

You are evading the question. Define 'climate change'.
Nielsenbr56 wrote:
I can only presume you also have difficulty using a book to read how to measure gas composition in the air?

It is not possible to measure the global CO2 concentration. There is no such book.


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While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
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