Hottest day on record (going back to 1880s) in Paris

L8112 wrote:
Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

L8112 wrote:Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

L8112 wrote:A month after setting the June record.UK saw its 2nd hottest day ever on record, as well as its hottest July day.
The Netherlands broke its all-time heat record of 105F, the previous record being set yesterday.

L8112 wrote:I now have a question for Into the night & straight to hell: Define Climate Change.

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:
Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

I can offer you an honest debate L8112.

I'm wondering if you regard any of the climate issues as being a direct threat at this time? I don't but would agree they are part of the symptomatic reality of the climate change issue which cannot be ignored.

tmiddles wrote:
Personally the reality of CO2 ppm hitting not just new highs but truly shocking increases is what I consider to be the most alarming symptom of a real problem that may be coming.

tmiddles wrote:
I think the "Let's not talk about this at all" camp are able to seize on the lack of mass deaths or real time calamity to dismiss the issue.

Into the Night wrote:...

tmiddles wrote:I'm never going to talk with you let it go. I don't read your posts of IBDamans posts. BYE

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:...

I'm never going to talk with you let it go. I don't read your posts of IBDamans posts. BYE

Into the Night wrote:Define 'climate change'.

Climate, by her nature, never changes but she is believed to be constantly changing, thus forming the grand mystery of the Global Warming faith. This is a core tenet of Settled Science.

tmiddles wrote: [bonehead stuff deleted]

Into the Night wrote:It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric content of CO2.

Into the Night wrote:CO2 has absolutely no capability to warm the Earth. No gas or vapor does.

L8112 wrote:
Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

IBdaMann wrote:

L8112 wrote:Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

Is this a random, pointless observation of no value that is merely a waste of bandwidth ... or do you believe that you are validly supporting a conclusion of Global Warming?

L8112 wrote:A month after setting the June record.UK saw its 2nd hottest day ever on record, as well as its hottest July day.
The Netherlands broke its all-time heat record of 105F, the previous record being set yesterday.

For a year-and-a-half I used to respond to each such announcement of a broken high temperature record with some broken low temperature records around the same time frame. Doing so has long-since ceased to be worth the effort.

Let's just ask you directly: Do you BELIEVE that your broken high temperature records somehow do NOT occur with corresponding low temperature records elsewhere on the planet?

Just wondering what you believe. After all, you are the expert on that.

L8112 wrote:I now have a question for Into the night & straight to hell: Define Climate Change.

According to mathematics, Climate Change is the first derivative of the Climate function.

How do you define it?

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HarveyH55 wrote:
Gee whiz, it's summertime, heat waves happen. We had one a couple of weeks ago, barely broke a record high, once. Now, it's been about 10 degrees cooler. 80F, at sunset today, should drop into the low 70s, maybe into the 60s, in the middle of the summer, in Florida. Pretty sure these are record lows, but we never hear about such things, because it's a blessing, and it doesn't create alarm and panic. They should just think about the record cold winter they just had, helps get through the heat wave. Weather extremes have happened, well forever, it doesn't have to mean anything. Life is work, there have always been challenges thrown at us, the strong survive, the weak die. Society can change some rules, where everyone survives, everyone wins, but they can't change to forces of nature. Sure, it's unfair, but life isn't about being fair, it's about having the will to work to survive. According to Prophet Gore. we only have a little over 10 years before the planet is totally F.B.R., we reach the point of no return. Maybe it all happens at once in 2030, kind of suddenly, like in the Book of Revelations...

L8112 wrote:
...abrupt climate chance..
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Gee whiz, it's summertime, heat waves happen. .

stay calm. nothing will be fine.

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:
Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

So an important thing to note with events like this is the degree to which something is abnormal. I think it's less significant that it be the hottest day than that it be a record set every year or something along those lines.

Identifying symptoms that can't be dismissed as chance is important.

Like you could say CO2 was at it's hightest ppm on record but really the more accurate statement is to say we've broken through to a level close to 40% higher than we see in the last 800,000 years.

L8112 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

L8112 wrote:Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

Is this a random, pointless observation of no value that is merely a waste of bandwidth ... or do you believe that you are validly supporting a conclusion of Global Warming?

L8112 wrote:A month after setting the June record.UK saw its 2nd hottest day ever on record, as well as its hottest July day.
The Netherlands broke its all-time heat record of 105F, the previous record being set yesterday.

For a year-and-a-half I used to respond to each such announcement of a broken high temperature record with some broken low temperature records around the same time frame. Doing so has long-since ceased to be worth the effort.

Let's just ask you directly: Do you BELIEVE that your broken high temperature records somehow do NOT occur with corresponding low temperature records elsewhere on the planet?

Just wondering what you believe. After all, you are the expert on that.

L8112 wrote:I now have a question for Into the night & straight to hell: Define Climate Change.

According to mathematics, Climate Change is the first derivative of the Climate function.

How do you define it?

.

Once again, your intelligence, or lack thereof, is the thing that is preventing you from understanding. In the entire area of the countries of France, Germany, Netherlands, never has there been a temp recorded as high as those the last several days.

L8112 wrote:
Your counter point of the deep freeze over the usa where temps dropped to -40F in Chicago, which is unprecedented, further confirms my point of abrupt climate chance. Not even necessarily warming, but climate chaos.

L8112 wrote:
Thanks IB, just like your cohort ITN who is dumb as a bag of rocks, can't stop shooting yourself in the foot.

L8112 wrote:
disclaimer*: I made sure that I capitalized all proper nouns in this post, so that ITN doesn't have his usual retard-freakout.

L8112 wrote:
Rather than asses what I am saying,

L8112 wrote:
cant see past the fact that I forgot to capitalize the d&t in donnie trump.

L8112 wrote:
That is the level of stupidity I am dealing with, which you cant see, because, you are that.

L8112 wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Gee whiz, it's summertime, heat waves happen. We had one a couple of weeks ago, barely broke a record high, once. Now, it's been about 10 degrees cooler. 80F, at sunset today, should drop into the low 70s, maybe into the 60s, in the middle of the summer, in Florida. Pretty sure these are record lows, but we never hear about such things, because it's a blessing, and it doesn't create alarm and panic. They should just think about the record cold winter they just had, helps get through the heat wave. Weather extremes have happened, well forever, it doesn't have to mean anything. Life is work, there have always been challenges thrown at us, the strong survive, the weak die. Society can change some rules, where everyone survives, everyone wins, but they can't change to forces of nature. Sure, it's unfair, but life isn't about being fair, it's about having the will to work to survive. According to Prophet Gore. we only have a little over 10 years before the planet is totally F.B.R., we reach the point of no return. Maybe it all happens at once in 2030, kind of suddenly, like in the Book of Revelations...

stay calm. nothing will be fine.

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:
...abrupt climate chance..
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Gee whiz, it's summertime, heat waves happen. .

stay calm. nothing will be fine.

L8112 I think the key is to point out that these should be seriously evaluated as warning symptoms, not threats in themselves, so they aren't dismissed as not dangerous. The key word being "abrupt" how drastic is an anomaly.

HarveyH55: question, can you imagine a warning sign with global temperature? Is it possible?
Also define temperature (I'm kidding of course)

L8112 wrote:
Today Paris hit a record high temp

IBdaMann wrote:Let's just ask you directly: Do you BELIEVE that your broken high temperature records somehow do NOT occur with corresponding low temperature records elsewhere on the planet?

Just wondering what you believe. After all, you are the expert on that.

L8112 avoided the question out of shame:
Your counter point of the deep freeze over the usa where temps dropped to -40F in Chicago, which is unprecedented, further confirms my point of abrupt climate chance. Not even necessarily warming, but climate chaos.

Unprecedented: adjective
Per the Global Warming lexicon, whenever an ordinary or otherwise non-exceptional event occurs that some Climate Scientist wishes to imply requires a Settled Science explanation, the event is characterized as "unprecedented."

IBdaMann wrote:According to mathematics, Climate Change is the first derivative of the Climate function. How do you define it?

L8112 avoided the question out of shame and made a standard lame attempt to change the topic as though no one would notice: Thanks IB, just like your cohort ITN who is dumb as a bag of rocks, can't stop shooting yourself in the foot.

disclaimer*: I made sure that I capitalized all proper nouns in this post, so that ITN doesn't have his usual retard-freakout. Rather than asses what I am saying, cant see past the fact that I forgot to capitalize the d&t in donnie trump. That is the level of stupidity I am dealing with, which you cant see, because, you are that.

IBdaMann wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:Let's just ask you directly: Do you BELIEVE that your broken high temperature records somehow do NOT occur with corresponding low temperature records elsewhere on the planet?

Just wondering what you believe. After all, you are the expert on that.

L8112 avoided the question out of shame:
Your counter point of the deep freeze over the usa where temps dropped to -40F in Chicago, which is unprecedented, further confirms my point of abrupt climate chance. Not even necessarily warming, but climate chaos.

Note: I never mentioned Chicago.

From The MANUAL:

Unprecedented: adjective
Per the Global Warming lexicon, whenever an ordinary or otherwise non-exceptional event occurs that some Climate Scientist wishes to imply requires a Settled Science explanation, the event is characterized as "unprecedented."

All these incidents you mention are matters of chance and are entirely expected to occur eventually, like having a yellow 1982 Volvo drive down your street.

IBdaMann wrote:According to mathematics, Climate Change is the first derivative of the Climate function. How do you define it?

L8112 avoided the question out of shame and made a standard lame attempt to change the topic as though no one would notice: Thanks IB, just like your cohort ITN who is dumb as a bag of rocks, can't stop shooting yourself in the foot.

disclaimer*: I made sure that I capitalized all proper nouns in this post, so that ITN doesn't have his usual retard-freakout. Rather than asses what I am saying, cant see past the fact that I forgot to capitalize the d&t in donnie trump. That is the level of stupidity I am dealing with, which you cant see, because, you are that.

OK, you have no point. You won't define your terms. You have no science to discuss. You have nothing to offer.

Did you expect a discussion on favorite letters to capitalize?

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James___ wrote:I think so.

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:
...abrupt climate chance..
.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Gee whiz, it's summertime, heat waves happen. .

stay calm. nothing will be fine.

L8112 I think the key is to point out that these should be seriously evaluated as warning symptoms, not threats in themselves, so they aren't dismissed as not dangerous. The key word being "abrupt" how drastic is an anomaly.

HarveyH55: question, can you imagine a warning sign with global temperature? Is it possible?
Also define temperature (I'm kidding of course)

L8112 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

L8112 wrote:Today Paris hit a record high temp for any day-108 F.

Is this a random, pointless observation of no value that is merely a waste of bandwidth ... or do you believe that you are validly supporting a conclusion of Global Warming?

L8112 wrote:A month after setting the June record.UK saw its 2nd hottest day ever on record, as well as its hottest July day.
The Netherlands broke its all-time heat record of 105F, the previous record being set yesterday.

For a year-and-a-half I used to respond to each such announcement of a broken high temperature record with some broken low temperature records around the same time frame. Doing so has long-since ceased to be worth the effort.

Let's just ask you directly: Do you BELIEVE that your broken high temperature records somehow do NOT occur with corresponding low temperature records elsewhere on the planet?

Just wondering what you believe. After all, you are the expert on that.

L8112 wrote:I now have a question for Into the night & straight to hell: Define Climate Change.

According to mathematics, Climate Change is the first derivative of the Climate function.

How do you define it?

.

Once again, your intelligence, or lack thereof, is the thing that is preventing you from understanding. In the entire area of the countries of France, Germany, Netherlands, never has there been a temp recorded as high as those the last several days.

Your counter point of the deep freeze over the usa where temps dropped to -40F in Chicago, which is unprecedented, further confirms my point of abrupt climate chance. Not even necessarily warming, but climate chaos.

Thanks IB, just like your cohort ITN who is dumb as a bag of rocks, can't stop shooting yourself in the foot.

disclaimer*: I made sure that I capitalized all proper nouns in this post, so that ITN doesn't have his usual retard-freakout. Rather than asses what I am saying, cant see past the fact that I forgot to capitalize the d&t in donnie trump. That is the level of stupidity I am dealing with, which you cant see, because, you are that.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I'm not overly religious, reading 'signs'

HarveyH55 wrote:one record high, barely broken, was set in 1856...

tmiddles blindly posted:

tmiddles wrote:
I'm seeing a jump in temp from 1910 to 1950 of about 0.4 C, then flat for 40 years, then a jump of 0.6 from 1975 till now. Doesn't seem to correlate very well with CO2. Mainly why were we flat for 40 years.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I'm not overly religious, reading 'signs'

What I mean by that isn't religious. More like if I was a sailor in the past I'd hopefully be competent enough to "Read signs" of a storm a' brewin. We can read signs that a volcano is likely to erupt soon.

Science can predict things very reliably in some cases, and more vaguely though still usefully in others. (for example we're still waiting for earthquake predictions to work, but it's a good thing we now know once one does a Tsunami may hit).

But I think I like "clue" better, meaning "evidence to base a prediction on" instead of ~Signs~ since that does sound like a crop circle.

So am I right in assuming you'd agree we had a pretty good clue about the impact of DDT on human and animal health? From Condor eggs to liver cancer.

Can't we ask the question, and critique the analysis, that there are clues about human caused global warming?

HarveyH55 wrote:one record high, barely broken, was set in 1856...

So yeah, exactly. Would you agree that it's fair to ask "Is that really evidence?" and then you can come to a rational conclusion that it's not.
But it's POSSIBLE there could be evidence? We can say "that ain't it" because there is some standard where it could be it.

Since we've had 12,000 years of warming since the ice age I don't see breaking records to be very compelling by itself. Breaking them every year? By a lot? maybe.

tmiddles wrote:
I'm seeing a jump in temp from 1910 to 1950 of about 0.4 C, then flat for 40 years, then a jump of 0.6 from 1975 till now. Doesn't seem to correlate very well with CO2. Mainly why were we flat for 40 years.

L8112 wrote:
Of the main contributors of greenhouse gases, co2 is 82%, methane 10%, nitrous oxide 6%, fluorinated gases 4%.

L8112 wrote:, meaning, most of that energy is lost to the surroundings in the form of heat.
... The increase in co2 levels is 100% due to humans,.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Basically, it might get interesting, .

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:, meaning, most of that energy is lost to the surroundings in the form of heat.
... The increase in co2 levels is 100% due to humans,.

I hadn't thought the release of heat would be significant. Interesting thought,

The spike in CO2 is proof to me humans can effect the environment. It's a very real and sudden change,

Ironically there is increased plant growth NASA has documented as a result.

This is proof of dramatic results:
co2-is-making-earth-greener

HarveyH55 wrote:
Basically, it might get interesting, .

Yes I'd agree we don't really know what would be happening otherwise but it seems safe to say we would have gradual warming. Interesting could be bad interesting so I think it's important that it be studied and understood as much as possible. The problem is that now there's the pro and the anti camps and both have a vested interest in distorting the facts

HarveyH55 wrote:
CO2 occurs naturally.

tmiddles wrote:

L8112 wrote:, meaning, most of that energy is lost to the surroundings in the form of heat.
... The increase in co2 levels is 100% due to humans,.

I hadn't thought the release of heat would be significant. Interesting thought,

tmiddles wrote:
The spike in CO2 is proof to me humans can effect the environment. It's a very real and sudden change,

tmiddles wrote:
Ironically there is increased plant growth NASA has documented as a result.

This is proof of dramatic results:
co2-is-making-earth-greener

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Basically, it might get interesting, .

Yes I'd agree we don't really know what would be happening otherwise but it seems safe to say we would have gradual warming.

tmiddles wrote:
Interesting could be bad interesting so I think it's important that it be studied and understood as much as possible.

tmiddles wrote:
The problem is that now there's the pro and the anti camps and both have a vested interest in distorting the facts

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
CO2 occurs naturally.

Yes the "CO2 is poison" is really more of the idiot test for the uneducated environmentalist.

However good things can cause havoc. I think I mentioned in another thread phosphorus creating algae blooms in lakes.

The biggest confusion I see generally is the attitude that Natural = Good 100% of the time. Seriously anti-human things could happen "Naturally".

We may learn so much from our study of how to deal with our own effects on the atmosphere, what matter, what doesn't, what countermeasures we can take, that we are ready and prepared to mitigate a natural event like a meteor strike.

A LOT of good can come from taking the subject seriously on both sides and de-politicizing it.

HarveyH55 wrote:...there was never any way to accurately measure global anything, to make the correlation,...focus on eliminating CO2 production,
...
There have always been algae blooms,

L8112 wrote:
Yet oddly no one seems to realize that methane has 60 x the effect co2 does

GasGuzzler wrote:Dude, wake up.