greenies are going about it the wrong way

jwoodward48 wrote:
Except that would be lying, because CO2 does not pose a direct health risk.

Surface Detail wrote: I don't think a large part of the political right actually sees anything morally wrong with lying nowadays.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

jwoodward48 wrote:
Except that would be lying, because CO2 does not pose a direct health risk.

Sure it does. 600 ppm is stuffy room feeling. And it's over more than 400 ppm outside.

IBdaMann wrote:

Surface Detail wrote: I don't think a large part of the political right actually sees anything morally wrong with lying nowadays.

Clear signs of a religious worshiper:

1. Belief that acceptance of the faith makes one morally superior
2. Insults concerning non-believers and concerning those of even differient denominations.
3. Demonization of religio-political opponents.
4. Projecting one's own lying onto religio-political opponents
5. Not feeling any obligation to tie the petty, personal insults to any issue or topic of discussion.

Have you made any progress in explaining how an increase in energy (i.e. a temperature increase) can, at the same time, be a zero energy increase to avoid violaing the 1st LoT?


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jwoodward48 wrote:
The energy that WOULD be radiated to space is less than normal. There is less energy in space, and more in Earth.

IBdaMann wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

jwoodward48 wrote:
Except that would be lying, because CO2 does not pose a direct health risk.

Sure it does. 600 ppm is stuffy room feeling. And it's over more than 400 ppm outside.

"Poison" and "Pollution" are independent of quantity. Just one twinkie wrapper is pollution. Also, too much of anything is fatal. Water is neither poisonous nor pollution but can destroy a town and be fatal individually in sufficiently large quantities.

CO2 is neither pollution nor poison. Same for oxygen and nitrogen.


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jwoodward48 wrote:
...what? That makes no sense. Infrared is the main way that the Earth loses energy - if most of that energy is redirected back at Earth, then the outflow is decreased dramatically.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
If you want to make a point, you have to connect with the stupid masses. Nobody gives a damn about warming. Look at Africa. The hottest place on the planet. Nobody cares. Now, rather than explaining to the stupid masses about warming and instead tell them CO2 is bad for health, which it is, then I guarantee you the next morning nobody will be driving a car. Everyone be walking, jogging, bicycling.

In terms of worker
safety, Occupational Safety and Health Admini
stration (OSHA) has set a permissible exposure
limit (PEL) for CO
2
of 5,000 parts per million (ppm) over an 8-hour work day, which is
equivalent to 0.5% by volume of air. Simila
rly, the American Conference of Governmental
Industrial Hygienists
(
ACGIH) TLV (threshold limit value)
is 5,000 ppm for an 8-hour workday,
with a ceiling exposure limit of 30,000 ppm for
a 10-minute period based on acute inhalation
data (MDPH 2005; NIOSH 1976).

Into the Night wrote:

jwoodward48 wrote:
...what? That makes no sense. Infrared is the main way that the Earth loses energy - if most of that energy is redirected back at Earth, then the outflow is decreased dramatically.

There is nothing out there redirecting infrared or anything else back to Earth. It is not 'redirected' by anything. We have no magick mirrors in space (or anywhere else).

jwoodward48 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

jwoodward48 wrote:
...what? That makes no sense. Infrared is the main way that the Earth loses energy - if most of that energy is redirected back at Earth, then the outflow is decreased dramatically.

There is nothing out there redirecting infrared or anything else back to Earth. It is not 'redirected' by anything. We have no magick mirrors in space (or anywhere else).

Redirected, in the sense of "instead of going to space, it goes back to Earth". It is absorbed and radiated back.

jwoodward48 wrote:
You didn't give a proper refutation. It relied on flawed understandings of thermodynamical and radiative laws.

jwoodward48 wrote: ...what? That makes no sense. Infrared is the main way that the Earth loses energy - if most of that energy is redirected back at Earth, then the outflow is decreased dramatically.