Gravity fed electrical generation system

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Water at the bottom of a 10000 ft pipe will have a pressure of 4322psi. You have to inject hydrogen gas somehow into that pressure.

The entire purpose of this was that you have something, most likely a pump at the top reducing the pressure at the top taking pressure off the bottom. The truth is, the air in the pipe will be the same pressure on the outside of the pipe. Air pressure at sea level is 32 psi, and that will be what is in the pipe. A pipe of 144 square inch would have a total pressure of 4608 pounds. Is that what you are referring too?

dehammer wrote:

That requires a pump.

One method is to put the electrolysis electrode directly in that pressure, but you will require more power than usual to cause electrolysis. In that arrangement, electrolysis is the pump.

It would be the same as having the electrolysis device directly open to the air. The only way it would be different is if you were pulling the gas out of the device with a pump.

Of course, all of this is ignored by dehammer,

No, I am not ignoring it.

dehammer wrote:
I understand and I can see you are trying to pretend that it is something unusual high pressure, when it is not.

dehammer wrote:
They do not measure air pressure by the square foot, but by the square inch. Since the bottom of this would likely be the ocean or sea, that is where the pressure would be the most. That is 32 pounds per square inch.

dehammer wrote:

Even at normal current, and light pressure in the electrolysis cell, he will use more electricity in electrolysis than he will get from his generators and fuel cell.

The amount of energy you need to turn one liter of water to hydrogen is the same no matter how much water you change. I gave you the math before and YOU ignored it. Like wise, the amount of material you need to electrolyze is the same per liter so it is only necessary to multiply the amount for the amount of water you need.

dehammer wrote:
Again, I gave you the math and you said it did not matter, it could not be done.

dehammer wrote:

He simply can't generate water fast enough and doesn't have sufficient hydrogen to do generate enough water.

Why? I saw a video on how to electrolyze water using what was basically 2 square inches of steel wool. It could do one liter of water per hour. So if I wanted to get 3000 liters per second, that would need 15000 cubic feet of steel wool. IF I were to build this in pipes where the bottom half was water and the top half was gas, and each pipe had two square feet of cross section, (pipe connected so the gasses would sperate) and each pipe was 100 feet long, I would need 150 pipes to generate the needed gas.

dehammer wrote:
IF the horizontal pipes were in stacks of 5, and were two wide (one oxygen and one hydrogen) the size of the plant needed would be 30 feet by 100.

Losses from conversion and friction in the plumbing, which of course is totally overlooked by dehammer.

The reason for the cut off at 250 feet is due to the loss to friction of the pipe.

dehammer wrote:
Gas has a natural tendency to rise to fill a space.

dehammer wrote:
The loss of the gas to friction would be minor at best.

dehammer wrote:
Due to its density and such the loss of friction in water pipe would be a lot greater.

dehammer wrote:
Therefore I limited it to only 250 to 300 feet instead of the entire 10000 feet.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:What does the hydrogen do then?

Apparently, the hydrogen is used to fill the hydrogen fuel cell ... which powers the turbines to perform the electrolysis that makes more hydrogen for the fuel cell ... in perpetuity ... while also generating lots of spare energy that can be used to save the planet.


This is a bona fide perpetual motion machine. We'll be able to throw out the book on thermodynamics. Physics will be turned on its head. And to think that this revolutionary system was conceptualized by a truly humble and scientifically illiterate philanthropist crusading to save humanity on Climate-Debate.

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Once again, you proved you are clueless.

No, it does not work that way. It is not the water coming out of the fuel cells that turn the turbine. It is the weight of the water pushing water through a nozzle that does that. Gravity increases the weight of an object depending on how much of it is above the bottom.

dehammer wrote:
A one square inch of water 2.31 feet tall weights 1 lb. At 250 feet, that is 108 lbs per square inch. IF you have a one inch pipe at the bottom pushing water at a turbine, you will have 108 pounds of force hitting that turbine.

IF you have an opening pushing 3000 liters per second at a that turbine, the water will hit it at 108 pounds. THIS is what generates electricity.

dehammer wrote:
Again, anyone researching dams would be laughing at your stupidity.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:The elephant in the room is the 5000 psi pump needed to liquify Hydrogen to supply the fuel cell.

I'm not sure I follow you. Part of dehammer's fantasy is to let the hydrogen gas bubble up to the top of a pipe which, if it were full of a liquid (e.g. water) would require no pump to rise. I thought that was the "gravity generated" aspect of it.

No, it would not be required to liquify it. The use of liquified hydrogen is merely to store the gas, which is then warmed and used as a gas, not a liquid. Most of the use is in cars, which require a lot of fuel stored in a small areas, meaning it has to be liquified. A fuel cell has to be heated before it can be used and liquid hydrogen would destroy that.

No, the pipe would not be filled with water. I was using that as an example of what would happen if you had water in one pipe and gas in another and you connected them together.

dehammer wrote:

duncan61 wrote:You both seem to believe that perpetual motion machines are actually valid systems

Once again, you prove you have no idea what the concept is. A perpetual motion has no input or output. This has both. Gravity brings in energy (in nature sunlight on water, and rainfall) and puts out electricity (look at dams). This is just a miniaturization of natures plan.

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James_ wrote:you need to understand the science behind your idea.

I do understand it as complete as it is possible. What people do not seem to grasp is that this is just a miniaturization of nature.

dehammer wrote:
Nature adds energy from the sun to start it.

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I add electricity.

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Both results in hydrogen becoming a gas.

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In nature, it becomes steam.

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In mine it, it become the gases hydrogen and oxygen.

dehammer wrote:
Both go up separate pipes. The pressure at the bottom of the pipe would be the same as air pressure, 32 psi.

dehammer wrote:
The pressure of the gas at the top is the same as air pressure at that altitude.

dehammer wrote:
People trying to pretend that this is impossible by throwing out number as if they are something that they know about when they make it plain they do not understand the concept.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
That's because it simply doesn't work.

Just because you do not have the brain to understand it does not mean it does not work.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
I didn't say it was.

Yea, you did. You ignore the fact that the system works with dams and claim that it can not work anywhere.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
OK. The turbine will generate less electricity than is necessary to jet the water at that pressure.

Nothing is powering a jet. Do you see a jet at a dam? No, because pressure from the weight above it do the job just fine.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Again, anyone who took high school physics would be laughing at your stupidity.

Sorry, no, they are laughing at you, you just can not see it. Even a junior high student could tell you if it works at a dam it works at a dam. It does not matter if the dam has a huge lake or a small pipe, it is the size of the headwater and the weight of the water above the turbine that matters. THAT is where it becomes gravity powered.

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IBdaMann wrote:
Violating thermodynamics means that it cannot work.

So a dam violates thermodynamics? Good to know.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Dams do not load their own water.

No, gravity does. In both systems.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Your contraption generates the water pressure from the energy.

Again, you have proven that your brain is too small to get around the concept. No, The water pressure is generated by gravity.

dehammer wrote:
It pulls the water down and that puts pressure on the water below it. Yes, the hydrogen cell does load the first dam with water, but then it has no effects on other dams.

dehammer wrote:
Just like the river I mentioned before, water released from a higher dam fills the lake/pool of a lower lake down and that produces more weight on the second dam's turbine.

dehammer wrote:
I think for now on, Ill just say "what ever you think nunnuts" when you commit since you have proven to have no concept of reality.

Into the Night wrote:
So you want someone to build this massive perpetual motion machine for you and to pay for this monstrous thing themselves.

Now how Velco was invented. Velcro was invented by a Swiss electrical engineer by the name of George de Mestral, who notice how burrs stuck to his dog's fur. He founded the Velcro company.

It will not work in any scale. You are still ignoring the laws of thermodynamics.

You have described what it's all about. It's about building a massive perpetual motion machine with someone else's money.

They already have it.

No, you can't use the same water three times.

Into the Night wrote:
What is producing the vacuum?

dehammer wrote:
What is producing the vacuum?

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So you plug the pipe. Why?

Do you know how much pressure that is?????!?

You JUST DESCRIBED A PUMP, dumbass!

What is providing the vacuum?????!?

With what? It's not producing surplus electricity.

dehammer wrote:I get the satisfaction of knowing I helped the future.

dehammer wrote:Then explain why it works in nature.

dehammer wrote:No, you ignore reality and only describe your limited imagined vision.

dehammer wrote:So you have a link to it?

dehammer wrote:river systems use the same water dozens of times.

dehammer wrote: There is river system with up to 60 dams, most constructed JUST to make electricity.

Into the Night wrote:
Air pressure at sea level is 14.7apsi.

You are ignoring Kirchoff's law again.

Into the Night wrote:
Not enough water.

Not enough water to generate sufficient electricity to run the electrolysis.

No, you can't project YOUR problems on others. LIF.

Into the Night wrote:
So you are changing conditions AGAIN in the rising flow.

Into the Night wrote:
Gravity is not energy.
Gravity is not sunlight or rainfall.
No. Your machine does not get energy from the Sun.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
So you want someone to build this massive perpetual motion machine for you and to pay for this monstrous thing themselves.

IF they build it and it makes money, they get the money. I get the satisfaction of knowing I helped the future.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Now how Velco was invented. Velcro was invented by a Swiss electrical engineer by the name of George de Mestral, who notice how burrs stuck to his dog's fur. He founded the Velcro company.

He later admitted that he had read that story.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
It will not work in any scale. You are still ignoring the laws of thermodynamics.

Then explain why it works in nature.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
You have described what it's all about. It's about building a massive perpetual motion machine with someone else's money.

No, you ignore reality and only describe your limited imagined vision.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
No, you can't use the same water three times.

river systems use the same water dozens of times. Again all you have proven is you have no clue what your saying. There is river system with up to 60 dams, most constructed JUST to make electricity.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
What is producing the vacuum?

A pump that takes the pressure of the hydrogen in the pipe to the pressure the fuel cell needs. When the pipe is full of normal air, it simply bleeds it off. This will reduce the pressure in the pipe reducing the pressure on the ball, while increased pressure below comes from the increase in hydrogen. This means the ball will move up, since it is blocking the two from mixing

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
What is producing the vacuum?

Once again, an air pump at the top. Its like a sippy straw children play with. You have liquid at the bottom and you suck air at the top, resulting in liquid, flowing upwards against gravity. Even 5 year olds can understand that.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
So you plug the pipe. Why?

So hydrogen and ambient air do not mix in the pipe.

Into the Night wrote:
Do you know how much pressure that is?????!?

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
You JUST DESCRIBED A PUMP, dumbass!

No, I am saying that you do not need more pumps up the pipe. Some people have commented that you would need additional pumps to make it move up the pipe. Water would need it since it is dense, but gas does not.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
What is providing the vacuum?????!?

The normal pressure of the pipe at 27000 feet would be 5 psi. That would not be enough for the fuel cell, so you would have to have a pump there for it. Prior to the hydrogen reaching the pump, the pump could be used to remove the air inside the pipe.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
With what? It's not producing surplus electricity.

The fuel cell will produce 60% of the electricity needed to electrolyze the water.

dehammer wrote:
The weight of the water above each turbine creates pressure, which turns the turbine, creating electricity in the generator the turbine powers. Once the water is at the top, it does not matter how many turbine it comes across, as long as each one has its on headwater, it will produce electricity. At some point, the dams will produce the 40% needed and anything over that is excess that can be sold.

dehammer wrote:
Once you have reached equilibrium, i.e. producing enough electricity to electrolyze the water needed,

dehammer wrote:
it does not matter how high the system is.

dehammer wrote:
The gas will reach the top of the pipe and fuel the fuel cell, producing water.

dehammer wrote:
The higher the fuel cell, the more potential energy the water now has.

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. Your machine does not use the Sun.

dehammer wrote:
Nature uses the Sun continuously to evaporate water and cause precipitation.

Not enough electricity.

Not enough hydrogen gas.

Hydrogen is not steam. Sunlight does not boil the oceans.

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Which you have to pump to the top of the mountain

dehammer wrote:
Both go up separate pipes. The pressure at the bottom of the pipe would be the same as air pressure, 32 psi.

Approximately 10.11apsi.

You can't just set them aside.

Into the Night wrote:Their ain't no such thing as a free lunch, dude. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Air pressure at sea level is 14.7apsi.

Once the air has been removed, the pressure in the pipe would be the same.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
So NOW you are NOT filling the rising flow with water, but with pure hydrogen gas.

From the beginning, the RISING pipe would be filled with hydrogen. Once burned at altitude, the FALLING pipe would be water.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
That requires a pump.

The "pump" would be the gas generated from the electrolier below sea level.

dehammer wrote:
Both hydrogen and oxygen would naturally flow to the surface of the water, increasing the pressure in the pipe.

dehammer wrote:
This would push the surface of the water down, while pushing the gas up.

dehammer wrote:
At the same time, a pump at the top would be pressurizing the gas for the hydrogen fuel cell.

dehammer wrote:
This would remove hydrogen from the top, lowering the pressure there. Since gas naturally moves from high pressure to low pressure, it moves up the pipe without a pump.

dehammer wrote:
As it does, it takes pressure off the sea level and that increases the height back to normal.

dehammer wrote:
Since it is an on going process,

dehammer wrote:
the water level would most likely remain stable a couple feet below the outside sea level.

dehammer wrote:
To keep it stable, you would most likely use a two tank/lake system. The first would allow sea water in at high tides, and then shut off at low tide. It would then feed the second tank/lake to keep the level at a specific height, most likely a little below low tide. This would mean there would be no pump needed to add water to it but it would remain stable.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Yes you are. You are ignoring the cost of running the pump. That's an additional significant load you are going to have to power with this thing.

There would be no need for a pump at the bottom.

dehammer wrote:
As the gas is created, it pressurizes the bottom of the pipe.

dehammer wrote:
At the top of the system, there is a pump that is an integral part of the fuel cell.

dehammer wrote:
The cost of pressurizing it to the needs of the fuel cell is incorporated into the energy needs, i.e. the 40% loss in energy needed to produce the fuel.

dehammer wrote:
Low pressure at the top and high pressure at the bottom will keep the gas moving up the pipe.

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Into the Night wrote:
You changed the conditions again. You no longer have any liquid in the rising flow.

There never was. I only talked about liquid in the example of two tubes, one with liquid and one with gas, equalizing with half gas and half liquid in both. In every discussion of the system, I continually state that one pipe, (the one you call rising), is filled with hydrogen gas, and the other (you call falling) water. They are never mixed and never were.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
No. It is 14.7apsi (at standard temperature and pressure). This is the same as 29.92 in of mercury.

Sorry, its been decades since high school and I misremembered the pressure. I looked it up earlier (after that post) and you are correct.

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Into the Night wrote:
You gave NO math. You only quoted random numbers. That is not math.

No, they were not random. I looked it up and gave you the formula, which makes it math.

dehammer wrote:
The formula was from a tutorial on building a hydroelectric dam on your property (assuming you had running water, such as a small stream) and another science class on electrolysis water into hydrogen. You can look it up and find the same sites.

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Into the Night wrote:
So you are changing the conditions of the rising flow again, AGAIN putting liquid in the pipe.

No, once again, the rising pipes are filled with hydrogen. The electrolysis station is where the hydrogen and oxygen are taken from the water. The water does not rise in the pipe.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Kirchoff's law

Once again with throwing scientific terms out as if you understand them.

dehammer wrote:
Simply throwing out words does not negate the facts.

dehammer wrote:
Fact is, you have no clue what that means, let alone how it impacts the situation.

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Into the Night wrote:
No, it doesn't. Example: Earth's atmosphere. It stays with Earth, it doesn't fill space.

You must seriously love to prove your lack of understanding of science. The atmosphere remains on earth because of gravity. Because the earth's gravity pulls to the center of the planet, the atmosphere basically creates a sphere around it. It tries to fill the vacuum but the gravity pulls it back.

dehammer wrote:
That is why the psi is 14.7 at sea level and 5 psi at 27000 feet.

dehammer wrote:
The weight of the gas above it is pushing pressure on the lower levels. Despite the fact is is less mass dense, it still has weight.

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Into the Night wrote:
No. It is significant. You can't ignore that loss. You can't ignore ANY loss.

Friction come from the movement against a surface. All of the effects of the friction is felt in a certain distance from the surface. After that the flow is stable with no friction.

dehammer wrote:
The distance is determine by how dense the medium is. For water, it is about a half inch. For oil, it can be over 2 inches. For a gas, it is a millimeter.

dehammer wrote:
For a large system, the pipe would be several inches across, meaning the amount of friction would a tiny fraction of the flow.

dehammer wrote:
The pressure of the gas pushing it up would easily over come the tiny friction without even heating up.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Which is also loss.

AND taken into account.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
You are ignoring Kirchoff's law again.

What does water flow have to do with electricity?

dehammer wrote:
You just proved you do not even have a clue what the words you throw out mean.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Not enough water.

What determines the pressure on the turbine is the amount of water build up in the waterfall of the headwater. As long as the same amount of water enters the headwaters of the dam as goes out, the amount of water putting pressure on the turbine will remain the same. The formula involves the amount of water flow, the weight of the water above the turbine and the acceleration. The acceleration is standard gravity, and the weight of the water is determined by how high your pool is above the turbine.
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duncan61 wrote:
We have the Snowy river hydroelectric plant that creates electricity from the water flow from the dam.What does your device do.I am confused and not mocking

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
So you are changing conditions AGAIN in the rising flow.

No, but maybe if we are really lucky, you are finally seeing the truth. GAS flows up the rising pipe, water fall DOWN the falling pipe. Due to the fact that water has a high specific gravity, the earth pulls down on it more, which is why oceans are below the atmosphere and air is above the ocean, since air has a low specific gravity.

IBdaMann wrote:snip
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dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Gravity is not energy.
Gravity is not sunlight or rainfall.
No. Your machine does not get energy from the Sun.

Never said gravity was sunlight or rainfall. Gravity creates POTENTIAL energy in water. Gravity is the reason rain FALLS. Gravity is why dams work. It creates weight which pressurizes the water so that it can move turbines around.

dehammer wrote:
It does not matter how the water gets above the dams, the dams will work one way or the other.

dehammer wrote:
Do you know why they build huge lakes behind dams?

dehammer wrote:
So the water levels will remain stable. Seasonal differences cause water levels to change and differences between rain/snow between years can change a lake by a huge amount. So they determine that they need a specific amount of water flowing at a specific pressure and if the pressure is too high, they restrict the flow or allow water to bypass the turbine. If the pressure drops they can increase the flow to a certain amount, but then the water level drops faster.

dehammer wrote:
To counter the changes, they make the dams in areas they can have huge lakes, keeping the levels in a specific range. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of areas they can do this with.

In my system, the water flow is steady and so a large pool is not needed above each turbine. That means you do not need an area for a huge lake and can build them one after the other.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. Your machine does not use the Sun.

It replaces the sun with specific gravity and electrolysis.
When you evaporate water, the low specific gravity causes it to rise into the air. When you electrolize water, you create a gas with a low specific gravity which also rises.
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dehammer wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
We have the Snowy river hydroelectric plant that creates electricity from the water flow from the dam.What does your device do.I am confused and not mocking

The system changes water into hydrogen and oxygen, which has a low specific gravity. A one liter of water electrolyzed will produce 22.4 liters of hydrogen at 1 atmosphere. IF you have a pipe filled with hydrogen, it will remain above the water and will press down on the water at the same rate that the normal atmosphere would. In fact the pipe would act just like the same volume of air. Just like air it moves for high pressure to low pressure. IF you lowered the pressure at the top and increased the pressure at the bottom, the gas would flow upwards just like air would.

dehammer wrote:
I have been using the example of a mountain in northern Africa, since the effect there would be most dramatic. The construction of the system there would not be the same as it was used later. So lets ignore the construction phase and look at what it would do, say, a year after construction would be finished.

dehammer wrote:
At sea level on the northern side of the mountain range, you would have a plant that would take electricity and water and create hydrogen and oxygen. IF you want the water to remain pure, you can pump the oxygen up parallel to the hydrogen. The way this would work is you separate the two gases in to parallel pipes. Here is a video on a tiny system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJEDe_HUcw&t=428s.

Once the two gases are separated and natural pumping beings the gas to the top of the pipe,

dehammer wrote:
they would be combined in a hydrogen fuel cell that would recover 60% of the electricity needed for the electrolysis.

dehammer wrote:
The water would then be dumped into a tank that would act the same as a huge lake behind a dam. The difference is that since the water flow would be steady, there would be no need for a large headwater.

dehammer wrote:
The water would flow down a pipe to a turbine 250 feet below. To avoid a large loss from friction, the pipe would likely be about 25 times larger than the outlet at the bottom feeding the turbine. When the water exist the turbine it goes into another pool/tank. 4 to 6 of these would provide enough electricity to recover the remaining 40% needed for the electrolysis. After that, excess electricity would be created by gravity which could be sold to pay for the system.

dehammer wrote:
After about 100 of these turbines, the water would reach the Sahara desert to be used for irrigating farms.

dehammer wrote:
Over time, the water that evaporates from the plants would fall as rain down wind of the farm (to the east since the natural airflow is basically circular and goes to the east along the north). This would produce lakes and more plants which would release more water to the air, which would fall farther east and so on.

dehammer wrote:
Add enough water through the system and the Sahara would be come a garden again.

Into the Night wrote:snip

IBdaMann wrote:snip

Into the Night wrote:zzz

Into the Night wrote:
Gravity does not change from one pipe to another.
Air is dissolved in ocean water, just as ocean water evaporates into the air.
You have entered another paradox. You claim the Sun causes rain, now you just claimed it can't.

Which is it, dude?????!?

dehammer wrote:
Specific Gravity
Specific gravity is the ratio of the density of a substance to the density of a reference substance.

dehammer wrote:Once again, it is astounding how bad you like to parade your lack of scientific knowlege in a forum supposedly about science.

IBdaMann wrote:
Actually, Climate-Debate is a magnet for scientifically illiterate morons like IBdaMann

IBdaMann wrote:I offered to draft a UML specification of your "system" ...

IBdaMann wrote:Snip

dehammer wrote:Don't bother responding,

dehammer wrote: I can see no one is interested in a real scientific discussion.

dehammer wrote:I will no longer be following this since ...

dehammer wrote: ... all I get is insults.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
If you'd like, I'll be happy to draft up your design in UML, if you'll commit to one specific "design" and eliminate all the other versions. This will give you something to display in your discussions and get everyone singing from the same sheet of music.

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The offer to draft your design in UML remains extended. You simply have to settle on one "design."

At no point have you ever offered me anything but insults.

dehammer wrote:
[quote]duncan61 wrote:
We have the Snowy river hydroelectric plant that creates electricity from the water flow from the dam.What does your device do.I am confused and not mocking

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Gravity does not change from one pipe to another.
Air is dissolved in ocean water, just as ocean water evaporates into the air.
You have entered another paradox. You claim the Sun causes rain, now you just claimed it can't.

Which is it, dude?????!?

No, nor does it.
Specific Gravity
Specific gravity is the ratio of the density of a substance to the density of a reference substance.

Water is used as the reference for specific gravity. It therefore has a specific gravity (at 4°c) of 1.

Hydrogen has a specific gravity of 0.0696 (1 atmosphere). This means it floats above water.

dehammer wrote:
The sun creates water vapor.

dehammer wrote:
Gravity creates rain

dehammer wrote:
when the water vapor loses its energy and condenses.

dehammer wrote:
This means its specific gravity is higher than air and thus can not remain airborne.

dehammer wrote:
Gravity pulls it back to the earth and eventually back to the ocean.

dehammer wrote:
Once again, it is astounding how bad you like to parade your lack of scientific knowlege in a forum supposedly about science.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Actually, Climate-Debate is a magnet for scientifically illiterate morons like IBdaMann

That explains why your here.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:I offered to draft a UML specification of your "system" ...

At no point have you ever offered me anything but insults.

dehammer wrote:
When I post a "snip" it means that there is nothing there worth discussing. Mainly because all you do is insult and repeat the same bs.

dehammer wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:Snip

Don't bother responding, I can see no one is interested in a real scientific discussion. I will no longer be following this since all I get is insults.