gravity and temperature

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:


Have you ever been outdoors on a day without any wind? Was there nonetheless gravity?

There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

Perhaps you can explain the meaning of 'calm' used by the National Weather Service in their reports then.

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

"Perpetual Motion" is the more convenient term for the concept of entropy not increasing while work is being performed.
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Thanks for clarifying.

I was talking about a wheel that could spin using magnetic force. Free energy could probably be used as a marketing slogan for a wheel propelled like this, because you don't have to perpetually fill it up with gas.

You don't have to fill a vacuum up with gas either.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:You don't have to fill a vacuum up with gas either.

I'm not sure what kind of vacuum you are talking about.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Florida, during the summer (rainy season), we get water heavy wind blowing in from both the west and the east. They call it sea-breeze. When the two wind masses meet, causes impressive thunderstorms, torrential rain, occasionally a tornado or two. This happens pretty much everyday, not always causing severe weather, but usually some rain. Doesn't last long, hour or so.

Wind, like most anything else follows a path of least resistance. Wind speed and direction, is independent of what created it in the first place.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

Then perhaps you can explain why a mercury thermometer will have varying readings when the gravity never changes.

I'm all ears.

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Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Florida, during the summer (rainy season), we get water heavy wind blowing in from both the west and the east. They call it sea-breeze. When the two wind masses meet, causes impressive thunderstorms, torrential rain, occasionally a tornado or two. This happens pretty much everyday, not always causing severe weather, but usually some rain. Doesn't last long, hour or so.

Wind, like most anything else follows a path of least resistance. Wind speed and direction, is independent of what created it in the first place.

Although winds can blow in every direction, I was talking about the directions which usually prevail all around the world.

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Florida, during the summer (rainy season), we get water heavy wind blowing in from both the west and the east. They call it sea-breeze. When the two wind masses meet, causes impressive thunderstorms, torrential rain, occasionally a tornado or two. This happens pretty much everyday, not always causing severe weather, but usually some rain. Doesn't last long, hour or so.

Wind, like most anything else follows a path of least resistance. Wind speed and direction, is independent of what created it in the first place.

Although winds can blow in every direction, I was talking about the directions which usually prevail all around the world.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Same deal, they follow the path of least resistance. The path doesn't change a whole lot...

IBdaMann wrote:


I'm all ears.

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Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

Then perhaps you can explain why a mercury thermometer will have varying readings when the gravity never changes. I'm all ears.

I don't see what your question has to do with anything I said.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

Then perhaps you can explain why a mercury thermometer will have varying readings when the gravity never changes. I'm all ears.

I don't see what your question has to do with anything I said.

... because you don't have a clue about the subject matter. Of course I mean that in only the nicest sense.

A mercury thermometer's readings are based on the particle movement of the mercury. You specified that the particle movement is due to gravity and not due to thermal energy.

Ergo, when gravity does not change, a thermometer's reading should not change, correct? This is known as applying the scientific method to your argument.

Guess what?

Your argument has been falsified.

We're back to thermal energy, which is a form of energy, alters the particle movement of mercury, whereas gravity, which is not a form of energy, does not do so.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.

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Spongy Iris wrote:You have made a false equivalence argument.

Spongy Iris wrote:Mercury is not the same as air particles in the atmosphere.

IBdaMann wrote:
[quote]
Gravity does not alter particle movement. Mercury thermometers obliterate your argument. Sorry.

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Spongy Iris wrote:Really? I thought it was forcing heavy particles like Mercury to fall down to Earth.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Really? I thought it was forcing heavy particles like Mercury to fall down to Earth.

Yes. Gravity, a force, accelerates mass.

So you were going to explain how gravity, which we have established accelerates mass, causes the particles in a mercury thermometer to have one reading one moment and then a different reading the next moment when gravity has not changed.

You do remember that I am all ears for that, right?

This is proving to be all the fun I had anticipated.


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keepit wrote:if there is no such thing as gravitational energy, where do hydrogen atoms in the sun get enough energy break through the atoms positive em field to be able to fuse into helium?

Spongy Iris wrote:I shared below 4 minute clip earlier. Did you miss it?
https://youtu.be/H5xKS4lTzGY

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:I shared below 4 minute clip earlier. Did you miss it?
https://youtu.be/H5xKS4lTzGY

This is a six-and-a-half-minute video of a Cessna.

Spongy Iris wrote:That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement, not thermal energy?

Yes

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:I shared below 4 minute clip earlier. Did you miss it?
https://youtu.be/H5xKS4lTzGY

This is a six-and-a-half-minute video of a Cessna.

keepit wrote:It's a test of your capability of refuting gravitational energy. I doubt if you can do it other than maybe making a semantic argument.
Name calling won't work. Neither will false accusations.

keepit wrote:Name calling won't work.

keepit wrote:ibd,Google "stellar nucleosynthesis" and you'll understand gravitational energy better.

IBdaMann wrote:

What I have been saying all this time is that you have no affirmative argument ... and that you are a moron.

Reread your posts and you'll see that both statements are true.


Oh, that's right, you can't read. You are only able to waste bandwidth.

Oh well.

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James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
What I have been saying all this time is that you have no affirmative argument ... and that you are a moron.

Reread your posts and you'll see that both statements are true.

Oh, that's right, you can't read. You are only able to waste bandwidth.

Oh well.

That explains everything. I'm not sure what, butt am sure Harvey and GasGuzzler will say........

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

.

Yes

Gravity is not thermal energy.

It is a force, no? A force can move particles.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals),

Spongy Iris wrote:
which offers paragliders "free flight,"

Spongy Iris wrote:
is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

Spongy Iris wrote:
But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

Spongy Iris wrote:
That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals),

Spongy Iris wrote:
which offers paragliders "free flight,"

Spongy Iris wrote:
is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

Spongy Iris wrote:
But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

Spongy Iris wrote:
That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:


Have you ever been outdoors on a day without any wind? Was there nonetheless gravity?

There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

Perhaps you can explain the meaning of 'calm' used by the National Weather Service in their reports then.

Calm doesn't mean zero wind.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

"Perpetual Motion" is the more convenient term for the concept of entropy not increasing while work is being performed.
.

Thanks for clarifying.

I was talking about a wheel that could spin using magnetic force. Free energy could probably be used as a marketing slogan for a wheel propelled like this, because you don't have to perpetually fill it up with gas.

You don't have to fill a vacuum up with gas either.

I'm not sure what kind of vacuum you are talking about.

My vacuum at home runs on electricity. And that electricity is supplied by mostly natural gas and coal.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

"Perpetual Motion" is the more convenient term for the concept of entropy not increasing while work is being performed.
.

Thanks for clarifying.

I was talking about a wheel that could spin using magnetic force. Free energy could probably be used as a marketing slogan for a wheel propelled like this, because you don't have to perpetually fill it up with gas.

You don't have to fill a vacuum up with gas either.

I'm not sure what kind of vacuum you are talking about.

My vacuum at home runs on electricity. And that electricity is supplied by mostly natural gas and coal.

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Florida, during the summer (rainy season), we get water heavy wind blowing in from both the west and the east. They call it sea-breeze. When the two wind masses meet, causes impressive thunderstorms, torrential rain, occasionally a tornado or two. This happens pretty much everyday, not always causing severe weather, but usually some rain. Doesn't last long, hour or so.

Wind, like most anything else follows a path of least resistance. Wind speed and direction, is independent of what created it in the first place.

Although winds can blow in every direction, I was talking about the directions which usually prevail all around the world.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

Then perhaps you can explain why a mercury thermometer will have varying readings when the gravity never changes.

I'm all ears.

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I don't see what your question has to do with anything I said.

The mercury detects barometric/atmospheric pressure not gravity.

James___ wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Windmills get energy from gravity, because gravity causes wind. Uneven heating may offer some explanation for wind, but not all.

Wind is not caused by gravity.

ALL of it is caused by uneven heating of the Earth.

The wind blowing up (thermals), which offers paragliders "free flight," is probably the best example of uneven heating causing air particles to move from hot to cold.

But the prevailing wind pattern basically moves from west to east in most of the world, except the tropical latitudes, where it moves east to west.

There is not going to be much temperature variation moving eastward or westward, especially if it's over a long stretch of ocean or flat land.

That should cause you uncertainty as to whether ALL wind is caused by uneven heating.

Florida, during the summer (rainy season), we get water heavy wind blowing in from both the west and the east. They call it sea-breeze. When the two wind masses meet, causes impressive thunderstorms, torrential rain, occasionally a tornado or two. This happens pretty much everyday, not always causing severe weather, but usually some rain. Doesn't last long, hour or so.

Wind, like most anything else follows a path of least resistance. Wind speed and direction, is independent of what created it in the first place.

Although winds can blow in every direction, I was talking about the directions which usually prevail all around the world.

Why the wind blows might actually have a complicated reason. There are 2 basic things that can influence the wind blowing outside of the Norwegian Jet Stream. These guys have named it in honor of Moi. That's pretty cool.

The Moon changes sea levels and since atmospheric gasses are not as dense as water, even more so. Also as the Earth rotates the height of the tropopause changes. It's elevation can change by up to 8 miles. They really don't like making known the height during the day or night and during what season.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:There is never zero wind outdoors. Particles are never absolutely still.

So it is your position that gravity therefore causes particle movement?

Yes

Then perhaps you can explain why a mercury thermometer will have varying readings when the gravity never changes. I'm all ears.

I don't see what your question has to do with anything I said.

... because you don't have a clue about the subject matter. Of course I mean that in only the nicest sense.

A mercury thermometer's readings are based on the particle movement of the mercury. You specified that the particle movement is due to gravity and not due to thermal energy.

Ergo, when gravity does not change, a thermometer's reading should not change, correct? This is known as applying the scientific method to your argument.

Guess what?

Your argument has been falsified.

We're back to thermal energy, which is a form of energy, alters the particle movement of mercury, whereas gravity, which is not a form of energy, does not do so.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.

.

You have made a false equivalence argument. Mercury is not the same as air particles in the atmosphere. Mercury is very heavy, weighing 13.6 times the amount of an equal volume of water.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
[quote]
Gravity does not alter particle movement. Mercury thermometers obliterate your argument. Sorry.

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Really? I thought it was forcing heavy particles like Mercury to fall down to Earth. You wouldn't argue with that would you?

Lighter particles that don't fall completely down to Earth such as Nitrogen and Oxygen, get forced east or west by it.