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Im a BM wrote:
"Magic" petroleum

Let's debunk an utterly absurd theory about how magic petroleum forms.
[quote]Im a BM wrote:
There is a fairy tale being bandied about which asserts that petroleum did NOT form from organic matter produced by photosynthesis at the surface.

It suggests that way deep underground, hydrogen combines with carbon dioxide to produce hydrocarbons. These hydrocarbons are then pushed under pressure toward the surface. When they reach an impermeable layer, they get trapped. The theory suggests that the process continues to this day.

According to the fairy tale, petroleum deposits occur beneath impermeable rock formations. Without having been blocked by the impermeable rock, the oil could presumably get closer to the surface.

Im a BM wrote:
If this were true, two things should be the case:

1. New hydrocarbons being produced should be flowing up along the path of least resistance toward the surface. Therefore, they should be spewing up out of the sea floor along the mid Atlantic ridge, and they should be coming out with every volcanic eruption.

Im a BM wrote:
There would be nothing to stop them from flowing along with the magma, bypassing any impermeable entrapment.

Im a BM wrote:
Being so much lighter and less viscous than magma, hydrocarbons should be among the first material that get ejected from the underground. This does not happen.

Im a BM wrote:
2. Petroleum deposits should be found beneath the most impermeable rock formations where they got trapped. Basalt flows and almost any igneous rock formation would be the most difficult material to penetrate. But that is not where you find oil.

Im a BM wrote:
The rock material that overlies oil fields in the real world is virtually always of sedimentary origin.

Im a BM wrote:
These are the most permeable rock formations of all, where there would be the least resistance to prevent hydrocarbons from getting past.

Im a BM wrote:
But the stuff started from the top, not the bottom. Made by photosynthesis.
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Im a BM wrote:
Both coal and petroleum formation also produce natural gas, primarily methane.

Im a BM wrote:
Carbohydrate such as cellulose is a major component of the raw material that turns into coal.

Im a BM wrote:
General formula Cn(H2O)2n take out the water and you get coal.

Im a BM wrote:
Lipids and other hydrocarbons are a major component in the raw material that turns into petroleum. General formula CnH(2n+2) its already most of what petroleum is made of.

Im a BM wrote:
But petroleum also contains a lot of coke, which is nearly pure carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
Either process, petroleum or coal formation, also generates natural gas.
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Into the Night wrote:

Robert R Northup wrote:But petroleum also contains a lot of coke, which is nearly pure carbon.

Nope. Petroleum does not contain any coke.

Robert R Northup wrote:Either process, petroleum or coal formation, also generates natural gas. [deleted severely damaged quoting]

WRONG. You are still denying chemistry.

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robert R Northup wrote:But petroleum also contains a lot of coke, which is nearly pure carbon.

Nope. Petroleum does not contain any coke.

Robert R Northup wrote:Either process, petroleum or coal formation, also generates natural gas. [deleted severely damaged quoting]

WRONG. You are still denying chemistry.

At one point I thought Robert R Northup, the artist extraordinaire who was kind enough to share his published 2005 creation with us, i.e. Cyclical Continuum ...

... might possibly be able to contribute to this forum in a value-added way through actual chemistry.

It would seem that he doesn't really know any chemistry. He doesn't know any other science either.

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Im a BM wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

WOW!

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
"Magic" petroleum

Let's debunk an utterly absurd theory about how magic petroleum forms.
[quote]Im a BM wrote:
There is a fairy tale being bandied about which asserts that petroleum did NOT form from organic matter produced by photosynthesis at the surface.

It suggests that way deep underground, hydrogen combines with carbon dioxide to produce hydrocarbons. These hydrocarbons are then pushed under pressure toward the surface. When they reach an impermeable layer, they get trapped. The theory suggests that the process continues to this day.

According to the fairy tale, petroleum deposits occur beneath impermeable rock formations. Without having been blocked by the impermeable rock, the oil could presumably get closer to the surface.

So you think the Fischer-Tropsche process is a fairy tale. Gotit. Again, you deny chemistry.

Im a BM wrote:
If this were true, two things should be the case:

1. New hydrocarbons being produced should be flowing up along the path of least resistance toward the surface. Therefore, they should be spewing up out of the sea floor along the mid Atlantic ridge, and they should be coming out with every volcanic eruption.

They do.

Im a BM wrote:
There would be nothing to stop them from flowing along with the magma, bypassing any impermeable entrapment.

They do.

Im a BM wrote:
Being so much lighter and less viscous than magma, hydrocarbons should be among the first material that get ejected from the underground. This does not happen.

It does.

Im a BM wrote:
2. Petroleum deposits should be found beneath the most impermeable rock formations where they got trapped. Basalt flows and almost any igneous rock formation would be the most difficult material to penetrate. But that is not where you find oil.

You can find oil anywhere you care to drill, if you go deep enough.

Im a BM wrote:
The rock material that overlies oil fields in the real world is virtually always of sedimentary origin.

Wrong.

Im a BM wrote:
These are the most permeable rock formations of all, where there would be the least resistance to prevent hydrocarbons from getting past.

No. Sedimentary rock can be quite impermeable. I guess you never learned geology either.

Im a BM wrote:
But the stuff started from the top, not the bottom. Made by photosynthesis.
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Photosynthesis does not produce hydrocarbons.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Photosynthesis does not produce hydrocarbons.

But, carbohydrates can be converted to hydrocarbons... Like methane.

Im a BM wrote:
canary in a coal mine - methane detectors

The old expression "canary in a coal mine" was based on a grim reality.

Coal miners used to die if they broke open a pocket of natural gas, which always accompany coal deposits. Methane is deadly and has no odor.

Im a BM wrote:
Canaries can't smell methane either, but they are breathing and circulating blood a lot faster than humans. They literally took a canary in a cage with them and kept an eye on it. If the bird collapsed and fell off its perch, it was time for the coal miners to get the hell out of there.

Methane is always found around coal deposits

Im a BM wrote:
and petroleum deposits.

Im a BM wrote:
A lot of fracking is being done where no petroleum was ever found,

Im a BM wrote:
and the coal is too deep to be worth the effort to dig it up.

Im a BM wrote:
Natural gas generally sits on top of the coal or petroleum.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane is generated by many kind of bacteria, some of which can live in human guts. The most ancient methanogens combined carbon dioxide and hydrogen to make methane. The earth used to spew out a lot of hydrogen, most of which floated off into outer space. The atmosphere is not a closed system,

Im a BM wrote:
and the lightest gases such as helium and hydrogen float away.

Im a BM wrote:
The irreversible oxidation of the earth's crust began as soon as it formed, as hydrogen was continuously emitted and lost to space.

Im a BM wrote:
Methanogens managed to capture some of it, and many other bacteria evolved to exploit the energy-rich reductant.

Im a BM wrote:
But there is very little hydrogen remaining in the crust, and only a few places where it still comes out at the surface.

Im a BM wrote:
The most ancient methanogens were chemoautotrophic, using hydrogen gas as the energy source and carbon dioxide as oxidant

Im a BM wrote:
and as raw material from which to make organic carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
"Methanogenesis" today usually refers to bacteria that utilize organic carbon as their energy source and their raw material to build cells.

Im a BM wrote:
They can only compete under very low oxygen conditions, and methane is a by product of them transforming more complex organic carbon to squeeze a little energy out of carbon-to-carbon oxidation/reduction reactions.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane is the simplest of all the hydrocarbons. Literally ALL living organisms make hydrocarbons of one kind or another. Photosynthesis makes carbohydrates, yes, but vegetable oil is a hydrocarbon product of photosynthesis.

Im a BM wrote:
The lipids that every living cell makes membranes out of is a hydrocarbon.

Im a BM wrote:
Fatty acids, waxes, etc. - every plant, animal, fungi, and microorganism on earth synthesizes hydrocarbons.

Im a BM wrote:
The organic matter that piles up in a swamp is mainly carbohydrate (cellulose), lignin, and polyphenolic materials.

Im a BM wrote:
The chemical structure of these organic carbon compounds contains a lot of oxygen. Hydrocarbons do not. Under heat and pressure, carbohydrate Cn(H2O)n (glucose for example C6H1206) breaks the single bonds between carbon and -OH to instead form double bonds between carbons. the -OH gets combined with hydrogen from C-H single bonds, which are also then transformed into double bonded carbon-to-carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
Coal is comprised of massive molecules of heavily double-bonded and nearly pure carbon, such as graphite.

Im a BM wrote:
Petroleum forms primarily from material that was already very rich in hydrocarbons to begin with - lipids and all the other stuff that dead microorganisms on the sea floor are made of.

Im a BM wrote:
Under heat and pressure, long chain fatty acids get their carboxylic heads chopped off, and get linked up into even longer chains. Methane is a product of many of the transformations, and some of the methane gets linked up into longer chains.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane has four single bonded hydrogens attached to one carbon. Energy is released when single carbon to hydrogen bonds change to single bonds between two carbon atoms, so the chains can get longer and longer.

Im a BM wrote:
Paraffins are hydrocarbons than can have more than a hundred carbon atoms long chain.

Im a BM wrote:
Carbon per carbon, methane is the most energy yielding fossil fuel with four single C-H bonds per carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
Coal is the least energy yielding fuel, carbon per carbon, made entirely of single or double bonded carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
Petroleum is in between the two for energy yield per carbon, made of a roughly equal number of single bonds between carbon atoms, and single bonds between carbon and hydrogen.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane can certainly be generated from carbohydrate, and here's a fun fact about that. Beans contain a carbohydrate called raffinose. Humans do not have the enzyme to digest raffinose, kind of a lactose intolerance situation. So, in the low oxygen conditions of our guts, bacteria perform methanogenesis, turning raffinose into methane. TOOT!
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Im a BM wrote:The old expression "canary in a coal mine" was based on a grim reality ... Methane is deadly and has no odor.

Im a BM wrote:They literally took a canary in a cage with them and kept an eye on it.

Im a BM wrote: A lot of fracking is being done where no petroleum was ever found,

Im a BM wrote:Methane is generated by many kind of bacteria

Im a BM wrote:The most ancient methanogens combined carbon dioxide and hydrogen to make methane.

Im a BM wrote: The earth used to spew out a lot of hydrogen,

Im a BM wrote: ...most of which floated off into outer space.

Im a BM wrote: The atmosphere is not a closed system,

Im a BM wrote:The irreversible oxidation of the earth's crust began as soon as it formed,

Im a BM wrote: Methanogens managed to capture some of it,

Im a BM wrote:The most ancient methanogens were chemoautotrophic,

Im a BM wrote:Coal is comprised of massive molecules of heavily double-bonded and nearly pure carbon, such as graphite.

Im a BM wrote:Petroleum forms primarily from material that was already very rich in hydrocarbons to begin with

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Photosynthesis does not produce hydrocarbons.

But, carbohydrates can be converted to hydrocarbons... Like methane.

... just not through photosynthesis.

Once a plant dies, it does not then rot/decay into hydrocarbons either.

Photosynthesis takes water and CO2 and produces sugars (carbohydrates) and O2 (oxygen).

6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Those particular sugars have no mechanism for becoming hydrocarbons until the plant itself is consumed by a living animal that can use it to create the methane.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Actually petroleum is also found trapped in shale deposits.

Too funny!

Yes, petroleum is also found trapped in the shale around the impermeable rock that helped block the petroleum's upward journey in the first place.

Once the easy petroleum is pumped out of the well, the difficult petroleum is fracked out of the shale.

If only you had continued reading the subsequent paragraph or two from your source of information before falling asleep from a taxed brain, you wouldn't have needed me to explain this to you.

Nonetheless, I'm glad I could help. Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff.

Swan wrote:So please tell us more about the ground aliens that produce petrol

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:So please tell us more about the ground aliens that produce petrol

The ground aliens are used to make coffee.

Im a BM wrote:
Where to drill for magic petroleum.

Let's pretend that the fairy tale is true.

It tells us exactly where to drill for oil.

Im a BM wrote:
Three of the best places would be Hawaii, Iceland, and Yellowstone.

Im a BM wrote:
Hawaii sits on a massive plate of sea floor, where a "hot spot" brings magma to the surface. All that magic petroleum, trapped under the sea floor, would have the perfect place to escape. The laws of physics would drive it there. A shallow well should be able to siphon it off as it rises to the surface. Wildcatters should be heading to Hawaii for easy pickings.

Im a BM wrote:
Iceland is above sea level where the sea floor is spreading wide open. Magic petroleum trapped under the sea floor could not help but be driven to the surface there. Shallow wells in Iceland should be able to catch that magic stuff, as the magma rises to the surface there.

Im a BM wrote:
Yellowstone sits above a massive continental plate that presumably trapped a bunch of magic petroleum beneath it. Hydrogen is still emitted to the surface there. Magic petroleum, presumably formed from some of that hydrogen should be rising up along with it, as it is squeezed out under pressure toward the only flow path up and out. Wildcatters shouldn't have to dig very deep to find it.

Im a BM wrote:
NOT!

But in the real world, on a website supposedly dedicated to discussion of climate change in the real world, perhaps we should focus on real world fossil fuel.

Like the thread title suggests.

HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Photosynthesis does not produce hydrocarbons.

But, carbohydrates can be converted to hydrocarbons... Like methane.

... just not through photosynthesis.

Once a plant dies, it does not then rot/decay into hydrocarbons either.

Photosynthesis takes water and CO2 and produces sugars (carbohydrates) and O2 (oxygen).

6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Those particular sugars have no mechanism for becoming hydrocarbons until the plant itself is consumed by a living animal that can use it to create the methane.

Isn't one of the primary functions of all living things, is storing chemical energy? We all need a little something in reserve, while acquiring our next meal. Digesting food, requires energy. Converting fats in to sugars we can use, takes energy. Plant store a lot of chemical energy. Which is why they are such good food source for everything else. Not sure what direction your 'alligator' is heading here. There is a lot of stored chemical energy in all living things. Rot and decay doesn't need to create additional energy, only change what is already there.

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
Where to drill for magic petroleum.

Let's pretend that the fairy tale is true.

It tells us exactly where to drill for oil.

Anywhere. It is best to drill (and/or frack) where oil is trapped near the surface.

Im a BM wrote:
Three of the best places would be Hawaii, Iceland, and Yellowstone.

Not necessarily. Oil is formed there, yes. It is not trapped near the surface there in large quantities.

Im a BM wrote:
Hawaii sits on a massive plate of sea floor, where a "hot spot" brings magma to the surface. All that magic petroleum, trapped under the sea floor, would have the perfect place to escape. The laws of physics would drive it there. A shallow well should be able to siphon it off as it rises to the surface. Wildcatters should be heading to Hawaii for easy pickings.

You can drill for oil in Hawaii.

Im a BM wrote:
Iceland is above sea level where the sea floor is spreading wide open. Magic petroleum trapped under the sea floor could not help but be driven to the surface there. Shallow wells in Iceland should be able to catch that magic stuff, as the magma rises to the surface there.

People already drill along that ocean ridge. See the North Sea oil projects.

Im a BM wrote:
Yellowstone sits above a massive continental plate that presumably trapped a bunch of magic petroleum beneath it. Hydrogen is still emitted to the surface there. Magic petroleum, presumably formed from some of that hydrogen should be rising up along with it, as it is squeezed out under pressure toward the only flow path up and out. Wildcatters shouldn't have to dig very deep to find it.

There are oil wells already around Yellowstone (not in Yellowstone itself, being a national park).

Im a BM wrote:
NOT!

But in the real world, on a website supposedly dedicated to discussion of climate change in the real world, perhaps we should focus on real world fossil fuel.

Like the thread title suggests.

Fossils don't burn. They are not used as fuel.

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
Where to drill for magic petroleum.

Let's pretend that the fairy tale is true.

It tells us exactly where to drill for oil.

Anywhere. It is best to drill (and/or frack) where oil is trapped near the surface.

Im a BM wrote:
Three of the best places would be Hawaii, Iceland, and Yellowstone.

Not necessarily. Oil is formed there, yes. It is not trapped near the surface there in large quantities.

Im a BM wrote:
Hawaii sits on a massive plate of sea floor, where a "hot spot" brings magma to the surface. All that magic petroleum, trapped under the sea floor, would have the perfect place to escape. The laws of physics would drive it there. A shallow well should be able to siphon it off as it rises to the surface. Wildcatters should be heading to Hawaii for easy pickings.

You can drill for oil in Hawaii.

Im a BM wrote:
Iceland is above sea level where the sea floor is spreading wide open. Magic petroleum trapped under the sea floor could not help but be driven to the surface there. Shallow wells in Iceland should be able to catch that magic stuff, as the magma rises to the surface there.

People already drill along that ocean ridge. See the North Sea oil projects.

Im a BM wrote:
Yellowstone sits above a massive continental plate that presumably trapped a bunch of magic petroleum beneath it. Hydrogen is still emitted to the surface there. Magic petroleum, presumably formed from some of that hydrogen should be rising up along with it, as it is squeezed out under pressure toward the only flow path up and out. Wildcatters shouldn't have to dig very deep to find it.

There are oil wells already around Yellowstone (not in Yellowstone itself, being a national park).

Im a BM wrote:
NOT!

But in the real world, on a website supposedly dedicated to discussion of climate change in the real world, perhaps we should focus on real world fossil fuel.

Like the thread title suggests.

Fossils don't burn. They are not used as fuel.

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually, I'll get right on that

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
Where to drill for magic petroleum.

Let's pretend that the fairy tale is true.

It tells us exactly where to drill for oil.

Anywhere. It is best to drill (and/or frack) where oil is trapped near the surface.

Im a BM wrote:
Three of the best places would be Hawaii, Iceland, and Yellowstone.

Not necessarily. Oil is formed there, yes. It is not trapped near the surface there in large quantities.

Im a BM wrote:
Hawaii sits on a massive plate of sea floor, where a "hot spot" brings magma to the surface. All that magic petroleum, trapped under the sea floor, would have the perfect place to escape. The laws of physics would drive it there. A shallow well should be able to siphon it off as it rises to the surface. Wildcatters should be heading to Hawaii for easy pickings.

You can drill for oil in Hawaii.

Im a BM wrote:
Iceland is above sea level where the sea floor is spreading wide open. Magic petroleum trapped under the sea floor could not help but be driven to the surface there. Shallow wells in Iceland should be able to catch that magic stuff, as the magma rises to the surface there.

People already drill along that ocean ridge. See the North Sea oil projects.

Im a BM wrote:
Yellowstone sits above a massive continental plate that presumably trapped a bunch of magic petroleum beneath it. Hydrogen is still emitted to the surface there. Magic petroleum, presumably formed from some of that hydrogen should be rising up along with it, as it is squeezed out under pressure toward the only flow path up and out. Wildcatters shouldn't have to dig very deep to find it.

There are oil wells already around Yellowstone (not in Yellowstone itself, being a national park).

Im a BM wrote:
NOT!

But in the real world, on a website supposedly dedicated to discussion of climate change in the real world, perhaps we should focus on real world fossil fuel.

Like the thread title suggests.

Fossils don't burn. They are not used as fuel.

Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well, except in the closet where your Mother keeps you

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Insulting people doesn't make fossils burn.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Insulting people doesn't make fossils burn.

Fossils do not burn, fossil fuels burn very well though, you would know this if you were not retarded.

PS. Retarded is not an insult to you, it's a complement on your massive achievements

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Insulting people doesn't make fossils burn.

Fossils do not burn, fossil fuels burn very well though, you would know this if you were not retarded.

PS. Retarded is not an insult to you, it's a complement on your massive achievements

Insulting people does not make fossils burn.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Insulting people doesn't make fossils burn.

Fossils do not burn, fossil fuels burn very well though, you would know this if you were not retarded.

PS. Retarded is not an insult to you, it's a complement on your massive achievements

Insulting people does not make fossils burn.

LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded.

Yawn

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Still living in your own little World. Bye the way fossil fuels burn very well,...

That's what I keep telling him, and you were going to help me throw it in his face by providing a list of fossils that are sold commercially as fuel, and a list of fuels used by fossils. This is going to be GREAT!

Would you mind doing the honors and providing that list? I *SO* want to throw this in his face!

Actually when you are capable of behaving like an adult everyone will know. That time however is not here yet.

Insulting people doesn't make fossils burn.

Fossils do not burn, fossil fuels burn very well though, you would know this if you were not retarded.

PS. Retarded is not an insult to you, it's a complement on your massive achievements

Insulting people does not make fossils burn.

LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded.

Yawn

Paradox. Irrational. Insult fallacy.

Swan wrote:LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded. Yawn

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded. Yawn

You quite clearly implied that fossils burn fuel, that they specifically burn fossil fuel, and you were going to draw up a list of such fuels burned by fossils so I can throw that list in Into the Night's face and say "See, both Swan and I TOLD YOU that fossils burn ... fuels."

Just get me that list. I am *sooooo* ready to throw it in his face.

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded. Yawn

You quite clearly implied that fossils burn fuel, that they specifically burn fossil fuel, and you were going to draw up a list of such fuels burned by fossils so I can throw that list in Into the Night's face and say "See, both Swan and I TOLD YOU that fossils burn ... fuels."

Just get me that list. I am *sooooo* ready to throw it in his face.

You are assuming that any of the nonsense here matters, when it does not. So again fossils do not burn, but fossil fuels do.

Swan wrote:You are assuming that any of the nonsense here matters, when it does not.

Swan wrote: So again fossils do not burn, but fossil fuels do.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded. Yawn

You quite clearly implied that fossils burn fuel, that they specifically burn fossil fuel, and you were going to draw up a list of such fuels burned by fossils so I can throw that list in Into the Night's face and say "See, both Swan and I TOLD YOU that fossils burn ... fuels."

Just get me that list. I am *sooooo* ready to throw it in his face.

You are assuming that any of the nonsense here matters, when it does not. So again fossils do not burn, but fossil fuels do.

Irrational. Paradox. Fossils do not burn. They are not used as fuel.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:You are assuming that any of the nonsense here matters, when it does not.

Oh, come now. Your nonsense is special. It matters.

Swan wrote: So again fossils do not burn, but fossil fuels do.

Right. I'm standing by for a list of those fuels used by fossils, i.e. fossil fuels.

Can you imagine how gloriously righteous it will be when we force Into the Night into accepting the FACT that fuel for fossils is sold commercially! They'll probably create a fuel-for-gay-fossils-PRIDE cryptocurrency very soon. That'll really show him!

So, please gen up that list real quick-like and let's throw egg on Into the Night's face!

Swan wrote:Take your pills

Please

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Take your pills

Please

I can't stomach anything within 24 hours of taking your nonsense and now the doctor is talking about putting me on bed rest, but I don't need it.

Swan wrote:[quote]IBdaMann wrote:Says the fool who denies the last ice age and the holocaust

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:[quote]IBdaMann wrote:Says the fool who denies the last ice age and the holocaust

I deny all ice ages. Where did you get the Holocaust denial? Should I call you "tswandles"?

Why should any rational adult believe that all moraines were under ice at the same time? You have made it clear why totally insane lunatics might believe it but why should a rational, independently-thinking adult who is not a complete moron believe it?

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL I said that fossils do not burn, you would know this if you were not retarded. Yawn

You quite clearly implied that fossils burn fuel, that they specifically burn fossil fuel, and you were going to draw up a list of such fuels burned by fossils so I can throw that list in Into the Night's face and say "See, both Swan and I TOLD YOU that fossils burn ... fuels."

Just get me that list. I am *sooooo* ready to throw it in his face.

You are assuming that any of the nonsense here matters, when it does not. So again fossils do not burn, but fossil fuels do.

Irrational. Paradox. Fossils do not burn. They are not used as fuel.

Fossil fuels burn very well, at least on Earth. Where do your people come from