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15-07-2024 16:11
Im a BM
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"Doxing is a real problem." - Into the Night

"If you wondered what 100 "Robert R. Northup"s looks like, here you go:"
- IBdaMann



And if you wondered what MENTAL ILLNESS looks like, here you go:


IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote: In the hope that Branner will allow me to have this thread in a moderated sub forum.

I share your hope.

sealover wrote: Uploading the "Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties" to this website, as IBdaMann did, would not qualify as "doxing" to me, as a moderator.

That is, uploading just the image. It would have been a welcomed response to my suggesting that trolls would be afraid to Google "Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties".

Now I'm confused. That is what has your name on it. That is what allows everyone to get all the other information about you, and you directed everyone to where it sits, just as plain as day, on the internet.

sealover wrote: Finding and uploading the image can hardly be described as a malicious effort to find personal information about someone else in order to publish it.

What if the "continuum" image with the artist's name were accompanied by an image of the artist, taken from the internet? Would you be delighted that the image is available on the website?

sealover wrote: I am delighted that the image is available already on the website, ...

I'll take that as a "yes."

sealover wrote: On the other hand, posting a Google map to someone's possible home is obviously straight up DOXING.

How? It's on the internet. Do you even know what the word "doxxing" means? I'll presume not.

Allow me to explain. Doxxing is the divulging of information that has not been made public by the doxxed individual. For example, if I were to abscond with some of your medications and then publish that information with your other PII, that would be doxxing. On the other hand, if you publish that information on a medical topics internet board and I merely copy-paste what you made available, that is not doxxing. Similarly, if someone else copy-pastes what I copy-paste, he isn't doxxing you either.

Copy-pasting from one internet site to another is not doxxing. You are the original source of that information out there on the internet. You doxxed yourself.

sealover wrote: And within the context of THIS post, IBdaMann did a bit more than make the image available for viewing.

Actually, all I can do with an image is make it available for viewing.

sealover wrote: He wrote out the name of the member being doxed in three different places on the post.

I can write "Robert R. Northup" a hundred times. There is no sufficiency of quantity that equates to doxxing.

If you wondered what 100 "Robert R. Northup"s looks like, here you go:

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It's still not doxxing.

sealover wrote: Rather than display any knowledge of science with commentary about the spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements, he simply declares that I don't have any knowledge of chemistry or other science.

Incorrect. You challenged everyone to go look at it, and you specified how to find it. I looked at it and posted it so that nobody would have to search for it.

You put your name on it. Your name was included on what you made available to the public on the internet and on what you challenged everyone to see.

sealover wrote: The assertions within the post by Into the Night are laughably absurd.

He insists that petroleum does not contain coke.

Petroleum can't possibly contain coke. Coke is a byproduct of a petroleum refining process, ... ergo coke is, by definition, something that is extracted from the petroleum. Anything still contained in the petroleum has not been extracted and is not yet coke. If you were a scientist and understood the importance of definitions, you wouldn't have made yourself look like an idiot who cannot follow basic logic.

Also, "petcoke" is a solid. Chemists know what "solid" means and sadly, I don't have time to explain it to you right now. Petroleum is not a solid. Ask any chemist whether there is any solid material in a 100% liquid. What do you think a chemist will say? C'mon, what's your guess? Do you have any idea at all? No?

sealover wrote: Anyone who wants can Google "Petroleum coke" "Pet coke" or just "coke".

Were you unable to Google it or did you simply not want to?

sealover wrote: He insists that natural gas does not occur along with coal or petroleum as a product of the fossil fuel formation process.

There is no such thing as fuel for fossils, ergo there is no formation process for fuel for fossils. It seems pretty straightforward to me.

Chemists know what hydrocarbons are. Chemists know that no fossils are sold commercially as fuel and that no fossils require any fuel. What kind of person is somehow confused about all of this?

sealover wrote: And if I get to moderate a sub forum, the discussion won't get cluttered up with absurd, unsupported anti scientific assertions and insults.

Are you saying that you will no longer be posting anything? I can't imagine you pulling an instant-180 and immediately ditching your Climate faith and its science denialism.

sealover wrote: And doxing posts will be considered totally uncool.

So internet links are out under your censorship? They're "uncool"? Well, I can see how not having "holy links" can be a positive.
15-07-2024 16:17
sealover
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Robert R Northup wrote:But petroleum also contains a lot of coke, which is nearly pure carbon.
Nope. Petroleum does not contain any coke.
Robert R Northup wrote:Either process, petroleum or coal formation, also generates natural gas. [deleted severely damaged quoting]

WRONG. You are still denying chemistry.

At one point I thought Robert R Northup, the artist extraordinaire who was kind enough to share his published 2005 creation with us, i.e. Cyclical Continuum ...



... might possibly be able to contribute to this forum in a value-added way through actual chemistry.

It would seem that he doesn't really know any chemistry. He doesn't know any other science either.



Uploading this picture is one of the very few good things that IBdaMann has done in more than 9 years and 14-15 thousand posts on this website.

I never learned how to upload anything here.

IBdaMann almost certainly had malicious intentions for doxing, but what was inadvertently accomplished turned out to be a good thing.

If you look close enough and squint, you can sort of see the author name in very small letters on the picture.

But it is easier to see it where IBdaMann wrote it out in big bold letters.

Some might call it a beautiful picture being used to dox a site member.
15-07-2024 19:11
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sealover wrote:[spam deleted]

More spam in yet another thread.


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16-10-2024 00:05
sealover
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I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
Edited on 16-10-2024 00:18
16-10-2024 01:22
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:


I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

Nah. You just made it up. Stop pretending, Robert.
sealover wrote:
The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

Go stuff your racism up your butt.
sealover wrote:
The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

What 'continuity'?
sealover wrote:
One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

What 'continuity'? You are denying quantum physics now.
sealover wrote:
This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers,

What 'continuity'?
sealover wrote:
one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

The dotted lines are pretty clear. What 'continuity'?
sealover wrote:
When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Stop pretending you ever taught anything, Robert.
sealover wrote:
Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

What 'continuity'?
sealover wrote:
The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

You are trying to dox yourself again, Robert?
sealover wrote:
I later developed it into a teaching tool.

Stop pretending.
sealover wrote:
A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

Stop pretending.
sealover wrote:
The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

There is no 'color scheme'.
sealover wrote:
The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.

Meh. Stop spamming.


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Edited on 16-10-2024 01:23
19-10-2024 23:20
sealover
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In a perfect world, this thread would have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium...

In a perfect world, topics ranging from substituting the abundant supply of inexpensive methane for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product.

In a perfect world, someone other than scientifically illiterate trolls would have joined in for a rational discussion of applied science.

Sigh...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
20-10-2024 03:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
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In a perfect world, this thread would have been a place of scientific discussion

You deny theories of science, Robert.
sealover wrote:
about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium...

Hydrocarbons do not contain mercury, lead, arsenic, or cadmium. None of these materials are produced when the fuel is burned either.
sealover wrote:
In a perfect world, topics ranging from substituting the abundant supply of inexpensive methane for coal in power plants,

You cannot substitute methane for coal in power plants.
sealover wrote:
to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant,

...such as?
sealover wrote:
to generate alkalinity

Alkalinity is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
(as bicarbonate and carbonate ions)

Bicarbonate is not a chemical. Carbonate is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product.

Carbon is not organic.
sealover wrote:
In a perfect world, someone other than scientifically illiterate trolls would have joined in for a rational discussion of applied science.

There are several here, but you want to continue to be a scientifically illiterate troll.
sealover wrote:
...deleted advertisement...

Stop spamming. We already know who you are, Robert.


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24-11-2024 19:18
sealover
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In a perfect world, this thread would have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium...

In a perfect world, topics ranging from substituting the abundant supply of inexpensive methane for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product.

In a perfect world, someone other than scientifically illiterate trolls would have joined in for a rational discussion of applied science.

Sigh...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
25-11-2024 03:53
sealover
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In a perfect world, this thread would have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
25-11-2024 22:00
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:

In a perfect world, this thread would have been a place of scientific discussion

You deny science.
sealover wrote:
about fossil fuel substitution

Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn.
sealover wrote:
for reduced emission of CO2,

Why are you afraid of CO2?
sealover wrote:
mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium...

None of these chemicals are in fuel.
sealover wrote:
In a perfect world, topics ranging from substituting the abundant supply of inexpensive methane for coal in power plants,

Coal is cheaper then methane, and easier to handle.
sealover wrote:
to oxidizing fuel for energy

That's how fuel burns, dummy.
sealover wrote:
using something other than oxygen as oxidant,

Like what?
sealover wrote:
to generate alkalinity

Alkalinity isn't a chemical or substance.
sealover wrote:
(as bicarbonate and carbonate ions)

Bicarbonate is not a chemical. Carbonate is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product.

Carbon is not organic anyway. Why are you so afraid of CO2?
sealover wrote:
In a perfect world, someone other than scientifically illiterate trolls would have joined in for a rational discussion of applied science.

You deny science.
sealover wrote:
Sigh...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.
...removed remaining ad...

Advertising violates the rules here, Robert. Stop spamming.


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Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

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While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
26-11-2024 22:49
Im a BM
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<--- Click on "sealover" (to the left of the arrow)

It will open the "sealover" profile page. The "Last 10 posts:" shows ten biogeochemistry-related threads. Any of them can be opened with a click.
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
27-11-2024 03:56
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
<--- Click on "sealover" (to the left of the arrow)
...deleted spam...

Stop spamming.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
09-01-2025 18:05
Im a BM
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:xenophobic mercury?

Actually you could write "anthrophobic mercury."

Warmizombies created the term "anthropogenic" to make their "human activities" crap sound scientific. squeal over and his ilk invented the term "xenobiotic" to mean "alien to nature", i.e. from human activity.

In all of this, humans are bad. Bad, bad, bad. Hence their need to specify "human activity-related" serves to emphasize that humans are bad, bad, bad. I find this to be very anthro-phobic.

Marxists are morons. squeal over is a moron. I bet he could actually participate coherently in a discussion if he were to drop his crap religion for just a few minutes.



TRUE SCIENTIFIC GENIUS!
11-01-2025 21:21
Im a BM
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<--- Click on "sealover" (to the left of the arrow)

It will open the "sealover" profile page. The "Last 10 posts:" shows ten biogeochemistry-related threads. Any of them can be opened with a click.
-------------------------------------------------------------------



This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
16-01-2025 23:01
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Im a BM wrote:
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution

There is no such thing as 'fossil fuel'. Fossils don't burn.
Im a BM wrote:
for reduced emission of CO2,

Fossils don't burn. Why are you afraid of CO2, a naturally occurring gas in the atmosphere?? All life on Earth depends on it!
Im a BM wrote:
mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

There is no mercury, lead, arsenic, or cadmium in fossils.
Im a BM wrote:
Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants,

Coal is abundant and inexpensive. Even cheaper than methane.
Im a BM wrote:
to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant,

Oxygen is the only oxidant.
Im a BM wrote:
thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

Why are you afraid of CO2?
Im a BM wrote:
For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria

Sulfate is not a chemical. It cannot be 'reduced'.
Im a BM wrote:
bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product.

Alkalinity is not a chemical. Bicarbonate is not a chemical. Carbonate is not a chemical. Carbon is not organic.
Im a BM wrote:
This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification.

It is not possible to acidify an alkaline.
Im a BM wrote:
The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer.

Cheap fuel, feed, and fertilizer is already available...thanks to chemisty!
Im a BM wrote:
CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel

A diesel engine is not a bacterium.
Im a BM wrote:
would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing,
sulfate reducing bacteria.

Alkalinity is not a chemical. Sulfate is not a chemical. It cannot be 'reduced'.
Im a BM wrote:
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Stop spamming.


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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
18-01-2025 09:11
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21-01-2025 18:08
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
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22-01-2025 21:57
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
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Stop spamming.
23-01-2025 21:39
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Into the Night wrote:
Stop spamming.


Grow up!

Stop blaming ME for YOUR problems.

Go and learn some science.

You don't even know what a chemical IS. Literally.
24-01-2025 00:45
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Im a BM wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Stop spamming.


Grow up!

Stop blaming ME for YOUR problems.

Go and learn some science.

You don't even know what a chemical IS. Literally.

LIF. Grow up.


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26-01-2025 03:39
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Into the Night wrote:
Im a BM wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Stop spamming.


Grow up!

Stop blaming ME for YOUR problems.

Go and learn some science.

You don't even know what a chemical IS. Literally.

LIF. Grow up.




Oh, this crazy thing pretends that it's a chemist

It doesn't even know that it's a TROLL

Psychotically, it LIES and LIES, relentless

I'd pity it but it doesn't have a soul
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
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Im a BM wrote: This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

You have never answered the questions of why you included CO2 in that list, and why any rational adult should care about the quantity of emitted CO2.

There's no point in discussing a topic with no point.
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This thread was intended to have been a place of scientific discussion about fossil fuel substitution for reduced emission of CO2, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc, to the atmosphere.

Topics ranging from exploiting/subsidizing the abundant supply of inexpensive methane as a substitute for coal in power plants, to oxidizing fuel for energy using something other than oxygen as oxidant, thereby emitting something other than carbon dioxide as the waste product.

For example, methane could be fed to sulfate reducing bacteria bred in sea water under low oxygen conditions to generate alkalinity (as bicarbonate and carbonate ions) rather than CO2 as the oxidized inorganic carbon product. This could be flushed to the sea to counteract ocean acidification. The bacterial biomass could be harvested for fuel, livestock feed, and fertilizer. CO2 emissions from bacterial diesel would be more than offset by the alkalinity generated by the methane oxidizing, sulfate reducing bacteria.

As for the picture that another member kindly posted...

I began initial development of this spiral version of the Periodic Table of Elements while I was a chemistry instructor at a tribal college in northern California, 25 years ago.

The Native American students were having trouble making sense of the Periodic Table.

The continuity of the atomic numbers is not self evident.

One must imagine the connection from the end of one line on the right side, to the beginning of the next line below on the left side, in order to follow the continuity of atomic numbers in the Periodic Table.

This is further complicated by those two lines of elements shown separately at the bottom of the Periodic Table (lanthanide and actinides)

To follow the continuity of atomic numbers, one must imagine a connection from the middle of one line above, to the left edge of one of the lines at the bottom, and then BACK UP to the middle of that line higher in the Periodic Table.

When I started sketching the Periodic Table as a SPIRAL up on the whiteboard, all the students suddenly seemed to get it.

Suddenly, the continuity of atomic numbers was obvious to them.

The spatial organization of the Periodic Table of Elements finally made sense.

I later developed it into a teaching tool.

A good quick test of whether or not a student understood the Periodic Table was to see if they could explain how the spiral version showed exactly the same thing, only with a different spatial orientation.

The poster version shows the Periodic Table of Elements immediately below the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, in the same color scheme.

The Noble gases, column 18 on the far right of the Periodic Table of Elements, is colored sky blue.

Arc 18 of the Cyclical Continuum of Elemental Properties, colored sky blue, comes down to where it meets column 18 in the underlying Periodic Table.

One can follow the sky blue arc and column from top to bottom, see where the sky blue 18s meet in the middle, and be oriented to how the two presentations of elemental information are the same.
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