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16-10-2020 19:08
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
No sea level rise here either and half the ice has gone.The global doom crew are in trouble


I thought it was just melting around Norway, under that monster ozone hole they made. Those nasty Norwegian kids, spray painting filthy words, and crude images of genitals.

If all the ice melts on the north pole, does that mean Christmas is cancelled? Santa uses a sled, and I'm sure it'll wear out quick over mud and rock.

Couldn't we just start dumping all of our floating garbage in the oceans, and make some sort of adhesive out of all that captured CO2, to make massive floating islands to live on? I'm sure the odor would eventually go away in a few decades. We can't just keep burying all that crap China sells on Amazon. China stopped buy our garbage, when Trump started making them pay for it, and they put a stiff tariff on it. Why pay China to take our trash, when we can just bury it for free...
30-12-2020 01:39
Xadoman
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Could anybody explain what is the mainstream explanation how the fossil fuels are formed. I tried to find out about it but those explanations are quite fuzzy. I have read something about organic matter residues which got buried deep in the ground during millions of years. They explain that deep down at the bottom of the ocean floor the organic matter got over time covered with silt and sand and the pressure and heat eventually turned this residue to oil and gas. I have to say that it seems quite unbelievable, specially the part that organic matter could last millions of years without decomposing.
30-12-2020 03:54
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
No sea level rise here either and half the ice has gone.The global doom crew are in trouble


I thought it was just melting around Norway, under that monster ozone hole they made. Those nasty Norwegian kids, spray painting filthy words, and crude images of genitals.

If all the ice melts on the north pole, does that mean Christmas is cancelled? Santa uses a sled, and I'm sure it'll wear out quick over mud and rock.

Couldn't we just start dumping all of our floating garbage in the oceans, and make some sort of adhesive out of all that captured CO2, to make massive floating islands to live on? I'm sure the odor would eventually go away in a few decades. We can't just keep burying all that crap China sells on Amazon. China stopped buy our garbage, when Trump started making them pay for it, and they put a stiff tariff on it. Why pay China to take our trash, when we can just bury it for free...

If the ice melts at the North Pole, Santa's sled would sink. There is no mud and rock.

But then again, would it? This sled is supposed to be able to fly. Maybe is would just float as well!



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Edited on 30-12-2020 03:55
30-12-2020 04:11
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Xadoman wrote:
Could anybody explain what is the mainstream explanation how the fossil fuels are formed. I tried to find out about it but those explanations are quite fuzzy. I have read something about organic matter residues which got buried deep in the ground during millions of years. They explain that deep down at the bottom of the ocean floor the organic matter got over time covered with silt and sand and the pressure and heat eventually turned this residue to oil and gas. I have to say that it seems quite unbelievable, specially the part that organic matter could last millions of years without decomposing.


Fossils aren't fuel. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel. The word 'mainstream' is a meaningless buzzword. I'll disregard it for now.

We don't really know how fuels like coal, oil, and natural gas actually form, but we have a pretty good idea about oil and natural gas, thanks to some Germans and some Russians.

It is possible to synthesize sweet crude oil and also natural gas from oxides of carbon, hydrogen, and a lot of heat and pressure in the presence of iron (which acts as a catalyst). This process is called the Fischer-Tropsche process and was discovered in Germany during WW2, when the rest of the world was putting the screws to Germany's energy imports because of Hitler. Germany already had a strong chemical industry going by then.

These conditions, oxides of carbon, hydrogen, heat, and pressure, and the presence of iron, exist naturally underground. Essentially then, Earth acts like a giant Fischer-Tropsche reactor.

The Russians developed technology to drill a hole deeper than anyone else on the planet, thanks to their Vostok ice core drilling project. Using this technology, they drilled a hole in the middle Siberia, and sure enough found oil. Apparently, if you are willing to go deep enough, you'll probably find oil anywhere you care to drill.

Drilling a hole costs by the foot, of course, so you want places where oil comes near the surface.

Such places tend, oddly enough, to be near edges of tectonic plates, especially where spreading action is taking place. This is also where the bulk of our oil fields are located.

Natural gas also forms with the oil, again as the Fischer-Tropsche process predicts. Natural gas also forms in swamps and landfills from decaying matter. In some landfills, they pipe this natural gas to homes in the area, rather than venting it and burning it (to keep the landfill area safe).

In some cases, oil forms with sulfur impurities in it, making it 'sour' crude. Sweet crude (that lacking in sulfur) because it's easier to process. The sulfur must be removed, or burning that oil will produce acid rain and such wonderful materials as sulfur dioxide (rotten egg gas). It also easily corrodes and fouls equipment.

Removing this sulfur is fairly simple, but only a few refineries can do it on an industrial scale. The sulfur that is removed is a useful industrial chemical, and is sold. Sulfur can be dusted on roses to remove pests, used to make explosives, dyes, pesticides, and even some fertilizers.

Coal is the real question mark. This stuff is pure carbon (usually with varying amounts of impurities). The purer the coal, the better quality it is.

We really have no idea now coal develops. One guess (and it is a guess) is that decaying matter forms coal beds over a long period of time by applying heat and pressure. We already know that process tends to make hydrocarbons rather than coal, so I treat this idea with a grain of salt. What does cause it? We really have no idea. There does seem to be plenty of it though.

We can treat oil and natural gas as renewable fuels. Coal we don't know.

Energy markets determine the suitability for any kind of fuel and whether it's practical to use it. People will simply buy what does the job for the least money. Manipulation of markets by a government, including the energy market, is fascism.

Hope this clarifies some of your question.


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Edited on 30-12-2020 04:18
30-12-2020 05:34
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Xadoman wrote:
Could anybody explain what is the mainstream explanation how the fossil fuels are formed. I tried to find out about it but those explanations are quite fuzzy. I have read something about organic matter residues which got buried deep in the ground during millions of years. They explain that deep down at the bottom of the ocean floor the organic matter got over time covered with silt and sand and the pressure and heat eventually turned this residue to oil and gas. I have to say that it seems quite unbelievable, specially the part that organic matter could last millions of years without decomposing.


https://politiplex.freeforums.net/thread/86/debunked-hydrocarbons-fossil-fuels
https://politiplex.freeforums.net/thread/93/debunked-coal-fossil

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