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20-03-2025 02:32
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	Off topic from climate change, admittedly. But it does get into some biogeochemistry of evolutionary biology relevant to how organisms alter the atmosphere. Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. The class was neurobiology. Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! It was probably the only time they ever had to fight with him to get him to eat something. That shit tasted so godawful bad, and they weren't going to let him get away without punishment unless he ate more of it. After many tears and much conflict, only half of the piece of liver remained on the plate. And it tasted horrible the whole time. The next morning Tony woke up with a CRAVING for liver. He happily requested that liver please be prepared again. Parents were still pissed about the night before and thought it was mockery. Tony REALLY WANTED to eat liver again. He loved it for the rest of his life. Tony also remembered the time he stole the box of artificially flavored crackers. It arrived in the mail as a free sample, and he snuck off with it before anyone else knew it was there. Those crackers were DELICIOUS! SO GOOD! Tony ate the whole box. The next morning Tony was still feeling a little sick. Just remembering the taste of those crackers was almost enough to make him vomit. He would never ever ever eat anything that tasted at all like that again. Using what he just learned about neurobiology, Tony figured out what happened. The taste buds in his mouth provided information to one of his two brains. The taste buds in his stomach provided information to the other brain. Just from that taste in the mouth, liver was foreign and weird and full of something different than he was used to. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY GOOD had come in. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, go find more of it. Just from the taste buds in his mouth, the crackers were DELICIOUS. They were triggering all the right sensations. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older.
20-03-2025 18:29
Into the Night★★★★★ (24270)	Im a BM wrote: Off topic from climate change, admittedly. Climate cannot change. Im a BM wrote: But it does get into some biogeochemistry of evolutionary biology relevant to how organisms alter the atmosphere. No such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. No such thing as 'Endosymbiotic'. Now comes a non-scientific theory. Im a BM wrote: To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. No such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. You can't acidify an alkaline. Climate cannot change. Biology isn't a religion. Im a BM wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. It is not possible to measure the global methane concentration of Earth. Im a BM wrote: Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. Methane is not carbon dioxide. A greenhouse is not a gas. No gas or vapor has the capability of warming the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are again ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. Im a BM wrote: The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. A greenhouse isn't a gas. Im a BM wrote: Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. There is only one brain, Robert Im a BM wrote: One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. There is only one body, Robert. [quote]Im a BM wrote: The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
27-03-2025 21:39
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	Into the Night wrote: sealover wrote: Beaver's "extended" phenotype includes alkalinity export from watersheds. When beavers act as ecosystem engineers to construct wetlands, they do more than just make a safe home with an abundant food supply. Alteration of hydrology by the beaver dam creates low oxygen conditions where sulfate reduction can occur. Water exported below the dam contains significantly increased alkalinity, compared to the water entering from above. The beaver's "extended" phenotype helps to provide the sea with alkalinity. Beavers do not construct wetlands. Buzzword fallacies. YES, beavers DO construct wetlands. An area where the soil conditions were aerobic gets transformed into a waterlogged, wetland environment. The measured alkalinity in the water downstream from the beaver dam is higher than the alkalinity upstream. Sulfate reduction by sulfate reducing bacteria in the absence of oxygen creates alkalinity, as carbonate ions and bicarbonate ions. When organic carbon is oxidized using OXYGEN as the terminal electron acceptor, the oxidized (i.e. inorganic) carbon product is carbon dioxide, CO2. When organic carbon is oxidized using SULFATE (sulfate ion), SO4(2-), as the terminal electron acceptor, the oxidized (i.e. inorganic) carbon product is carbonate or bicarbonate, HCO3- or CO3(2-)
28-03-2025 05:23
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	Into the Night wrote: sealover wrote: Beaver's "extended" phenotype includes alkalinity export from watersheds. When beavers act as ecosystem engineers to construct wetlands, they do more than just make a safe home with an abundant food supply. Alteration of hydrology by the beaver dam creates low oxygen conditions where sulfate reduction can occur. Water exported below the dam contains significantly increased alkalinity, compared to the water entering from above. The beaver's "extended" phenotype helps to provide the sea with alkalinity. Beavers do not construct wetlands. Buzzword fallacies. YES, beavers DO construct wetlands. An area where the soil conditions were aerobic gets transformed into a waterlogged, wetland environment. The measured alkalinity in the water downstream from the beaver dam is higher than the alkalinity upstream. Sulfate reduction by sulfate reducing bacteria in the absence of oxygen creates alkalinity, as carbonate ions and bicarbonate ions. When organic carbon is oxidized using OXYGEN as the terminal electron acceptor, the oxidized (i.e. inorganic) carbon product is carbon dioxide, CO2. When organic carbon is oxidized using SULFATE (sulfate ion), SO4(2-), as the terminal electron acceptor, the oxidized (i.e. inorganic) carbon product is carbonate or bicarbonate, HCO3- or CO3(2-) This thread really IS about the title subject. The most relevant posts are compiled, beginning 1/4 way down page 3
14-04-2025 04:19
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	Off topic from climate change, admittedly. But it does get into some biogeochemistry of evolutionary biology relevant to how organisms alter the atmosphere. Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. The class was neurobiology. Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! It was probably the only time they ever had to fight with him to get him to eat something. That shit tasted so godawful bad, and they weren't going to let him get away without punishment unless he ate more of it. After many tears and much conflict, only half of the piece of liver remained on the plate. And it tasted horrible the whole time. The next morning Tony woke up with a CRAVING for liver. He happily requested that liver please be prepared again. Parents were still pissed about the night before and thought it was mockery. Tony REALLY WANTED to eat liver again. He loved it for the rest of his life. Tony also remembered the time he stole the box of artificially flavored crackers. It arrived in the mail as a free sample, and he snuck off with it before anyone else knew it was there. Those crackers were DELICIOUS! SO GOOD! Tony ate the whole box. The next morning Tony was still feeling a little sick. Just remembering the taste of those crackers was almost enough to make him vomit. He would never ever ever eat anything that tasted at all like that again. Using what he just learned about neurobiology, Tony figured out what happened. The taste buds in his mouth provided information to one of his two brains. The taste buds in his stomach provided information to the other brain. Just from that taste in the mouth, liver was foreign and weird and full of something different than he was used to. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY GOOD had come in. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, go find more of it. Just from the taste buds in his mouth, the crackers were DELICIOUS. They were triggering all the right sensations. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older.

02-05-2025 00:55
sealover ★★★★★ (2130)	Off topic from climate change, admittedly. But it does get into some biogeochemistry of evolutionary biology relevant to how organisms alter the atmosphere. Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. The class was neurobiology. Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! It was probably the only time they ever had to fight with him to get him to eat something. That shit tasted so godawful bad, and they weren't going to let him get away without punishment unless he ate more of it. After many tears and much conflict, only half of the piece of liver remained on the plate. And it tasted horrible the whole time. The next morning Tony woke up with a CRAVING for liver. He happily requested that liver please be prepared again. Parents were still pissed about the night before and thought it was mockery. Tony REALLY WANTED to eat liver again. He loved it for the rest of his life. Tony also remembered the time he stole the box of artificially flavored crackers. It arrived in the mail as a free sample, and he snuck off with it before anyone else knew it was there. Those crackers were DELICIOUS! SO GOOD! Tony ate the whole box. The next morning Tony was still feeling a little sick. Just remembering the taste of those crackers was almost enough to make him vomit. He would never ever ever eat anything that tasted at all like that again. Using what he just learned about neurobiology, Tony figured out what happened. The taste buds in his mouth provided information to one of his two brains. The taste buds in his stomach provided information to the other brain. Just from that taste in the mouth, liver was foreign and weird and full of something different than he was used to. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY GOOD had come in. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, go find more of it. Just from the taste buds in his mouth, the crackers were DELICIOUS. They were triggering all the right sensations. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older.
05-05-2025 06:44
Into the Night★★★★★ (24270)	sealover wrote: Off topic from climate change, admittedly. Then why are you posting it on a climate forum???? sealover wrote: But it does get into some biogeochemistry of evolutionary biology relevant to how organisms alter the atmosphere. No such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. No such thing as 'evolutionary biology'. Buzzword fallacies. sealover wrote: Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. Buzzword fallacies. sealover wrote: To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Biogeochemistry is not a technology. Climate cannot change. You can't acidify an alkaline. There is no such thing as 'evolutionary biology'. sealover wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric content of CO2. sealover wrote: Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. No gas or vapor can create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
23-09-2025 23:53
sealover ★★★★★ (2130)	Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. The class was neurobiology. Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! It was probably the only time they ever had to fight with him to get him to eat something. That shit tasted so godawful bad, and they weren't going to let him get away without punishment unless he ate more of it. After many tears and much conflict, only half of the piece of liver remained on the plate. And it tasted horrible the whole time. The next morning Tony woke up with a CRAVING for liver. He happily requested that liver please be prepared again. Parents were still pissed about the night before and thought it was mockery. Tony REALLY WANTED to eat liver again. He loved it for the rest of his life. Tony also remembered the time he stole the box of artificially flavored crackers. It arrived in the mail as a free sample, and he snuck off with it before anyone else knew it was there. Those crackers were DELICIOUS! SO GOOD! Tony ate the whole box. The next morning Tony was still feeling a little sick. Just remembering the taste of those crackers was almost enough to make him vomit. He would never ever ever eat anything that tasted at all like that again. Using what he just learned about neurobiology, Tony figured out what happened. The taste buds in his mouth provided information to one of his two brains. The taste buds in his stomach provided information to the other brain. Just from that taste in the mouth, liver was foreign and weird and full of something different than he was used to. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY GOOD had come in. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, go find more of it. Just from the taste buds in his mouth, the crackers were DELICIOUS. They were triggering all the right sensations. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older.
24-09-2025 05:06
IBdaMann★★★★★ (15338)	sealover wrote:To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry There is no science "biogeochemistry"; ergo, there is no biogeochemistry technology. sealover wrote: to address climate change and ocean "acidification" It is not possible to address a religious dogma, much less one that denies that water evaporates. sealover wrote:it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Science does not speculate about the unobserved past. sealover wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage Swan Fallacy, aka Omnisicence Fallacy. No science is based on fabricating the unknown, unobserved past. sealover wrote:Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. There is no such thing as "greenhouse gas" or "Global Warming" outside your stupid religion. sealover wrote: ... can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. There is no need to remove from the atmosphere that which does not exist. sealover wrote:Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. Learning that water evaporates can help make a better steward of Earth. sealover wrote: It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. Nope. Modern physiology covers that. sealover wrote:The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. You absolutely have got to be kidding me. sealover wrote: Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. I'm going to stop reading.
24-09-2025 21:28
Into the Night★★★★★ (24270)	sealover wrote: Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. Buzzword fallacy. sealover wrote: To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. There is no technology to something that does not exist. Climate cannot change. You cannot acidify an alkaline. The Theory of Evolution is not biology. sealover wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. [/quote] You are making shit up again. Argument from randU fallacy. sealover wrote: Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again. sealover wrote: The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Did you know the Church of Global Warming considers methane a 'greenhouse gas', Robert? sealover wrote: Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. You have no clue. Buzzwords is not being 'stewards of the Earth'. sealover wrote: It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Buzzword fallacies. sealover wrote: Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. Nope. There is just one brain. It has several areas, each specializing in one type of body regulation (about 13). sealover wrote: One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. No such thing. sealover wrote: One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. Nope. Nerve sheathing prevents signals from getting crossed, and also help to transfer the signal along. [quote]sealover wrote: The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. Nope. The brainstem is part of the spinal cord. sealover wrote: One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. You are forgetting many other parts of the brain that control movement, balance, and autonomic functions. It's not just the brainstem. sealover wrote: One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. You obviously failed anatomy. The spinal cord is not constructed as described here. sealover wrote: Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. Not understanding anatomy is not science. sealover wrote: He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. Anecdote fallacy. [quote]sealover wrote: The class was neurobiology. Obviously not, since you failed to describe the correct anatomy of the human body. sealover wrote: Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! Liver isn't toxic, properly prepared. sealover wrote: It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. The brainstem does not process feeling. It just passes any such signals right on through. sealover wrote: Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. The immune system contains many parts. NONE of it attacks the body. [quote]sealover wrote: In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. There is no such thing as 'evolutionary biology'. The Theory of Evolution is not biology. The Theory of Evolution does not discuss 'Global Warming' or 'Environmental Change'. The environment cannot change. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. sealover wrote: It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. No such thing. sealover wrote: And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older. Anecdote fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
04-06-2026 14:55
sealover ★★★★★ (2130)	Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. One twin lives entirely inside of the other. Distinct tissue types. One twin has striated muscle tissue, controlled by the cerebrum. The skeletal muscles are under conscious control by the twin with the 5 senses to interact with the outside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. The other twin has smooth muscle tissue, controlled by the brain stem. The smooth muscles are under unconscious control by the twin with the 200 senses to interact with the inside world. These muscles use a different neurotransmitter than the other brain to be sure the signals never get crossed. One twin controls the central nervous system with its cerebral brain. This runs down the middle of the spine. One twin controls the autonomic nervous system with its brainstem. This runs down two parallel tracks away from the spine, deeper in the body. Use of different neurotransmitters prevents them from accidentally interfering with each other. But aren't conjoined twins IDENTICAL? They are genetically identical. Identical genotypes. They are expressed in radically different phenotypes. Phenotypic plasticity at the earliest phase of embryonic development led to very different body types as they one grew inside the other. Distinct tissue types extended out and grew around each other. Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. The class was neurobiology. Tony remembered the time they first forced him to eat liver. It tasted like POISON! It was probably the only time they ever had to fight with him to get him to eat something. That shit tasted so godawful bad, and they weren't going to let him get away without punishment unless he ate more of it. After many tears and much conflict, only half of the piece of liver remained on the plate. And it tasted horrible the whole time. The next morning Tony woke up with a CRAVING for liver. He happily requested that liver please be prepared again. Parents were still pissed about the night before and thought it was mockery. Tony REALLY WANTED to eat liver again. He loved it for the rest of his life. Tony also remembered the time he stole the box of artificially flavored crackers. It arrived in the mail as a free sample, and he snuck off with it before anyone else knew it was there. Those crackers were DELICIOUS! SO GOOD! Tony ate the whole box. The next morning Tony was still feeling a little sick. Just remembering the taste of those crackers was almost enough to make him vomit. He would never ever ever eat anything that tasted at all like that again. Using what he just learned about neurobiology, Tony figured out what happened. The taste buds in his mouth provided information to one of his two brains. The taste buds in his stomach provided information to the other brain. Just from that taste in the mouth, liver was foreign and weird and full of something different than he was used to. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY GOOD had come in. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, go find more of it. Just from the taste buds in his mouth, the crackers were DELICIOUS. They were triggering all the right sensations. It didn't take long for the taste buds in his stomach to tell his brainstem that something REALLY BAD had come in. Maybe it was just the MSG or one of those other polysyllabic ingredients on the list. Tell the cerebrum that whatever this stuff is, never eat anything like it again. Tony went on to find more information. Even the immune system was a pair of dimorphic conjoined twins. Sometimes one would attack the tissues of the other, thinking that it was defending itself. In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older.
04-06-2026 16:58
Into the Night★★★★★ (24270)	sealover wrote: Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. There is no such thing as 'endosymbiotic theory of consciousness'. sealover wrote: To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Climate cannot change. You cannot acidify an alkaline. I see you believe in the Church of Evolution as well. sealover wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Any fire converts methane to carbon dioxide. I guess you figure a gas stove to be 'bacteria' now. sealover wrote: Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics again. sealover wrote: The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the planet. sealover wrote: Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. Mindless belief is not being a better steward. sealover wrote: It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Buzzword fallacy. sealover wrote: Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. There is only one brain. It has fourteen separate areas, each serving a unique purpose. sealover wrote: Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. Science isn't an IQ rating. IQ is a meaningless number. sealover wrote: He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. ...deleted remaining fiction... Nice story. Meaningless fiction. sealover wrote: In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. There is no such thing as 'global environmental change'. sealover wrote: It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. The Theory of Evolution is a religion. sealover wrote: And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older. Why? I really don't give a rat's ass about your Tony stories. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
05-06-2026 18:43
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	About my conversation with Eugene Odum... In the spring of 1996, I was given the honor of having more than an hour of one-on-one conversation with Eugene Odum in his office at the University of Georgia. Among other things, Dr. Odum coined the term "ecosystem". "There is no such thing as 'ecosystem'." -YARP (Yellow And Red Parrot) We were only scheduled to talk for about 20 minutes. Dr. Odum kept waving them off, telling them to come back later because we needed more time. Why was the conversation taking so long? Dr. Odum was trying to convince me to just put out a BOOK instead of publishing more papers in scientific journals. Early in the conversation, I had shown him the 200-page annotated bibliography that I had compiled. I was lamenting how unwieldy it was having so many thousands of references that needed to be cited. That had always been a sticky one for me. The list of references tended to far exceed the length of my text in any draft of any paper I attempted to write. Dr. Odum was tenaciously lecturing me about the need to simply write a book. Forget about listing ANY references. Just write it all clearly in one place. Let the other scientists do the rest after that. He could see that I was queazy about the idea, so he kept on badgering. He kind of implied that I had a MORAL OBLIGATION to do as he instructed. He implied that it was even HARMFUL for me to delay writing a book in favor of putting out more citation-laden peer-reviewed pubs. I wish that he were alive today so I can tell him that I am FINALLY ready to follow his good advice. I wish Hans Jenny were still alive so I could tell him I DID follow his advice and finally started an investigation at the Pygmy Forest by the time he died. I wish Sean Duffy were still alive so I could tell him I'm finally following HIS genius advice. And God knows how I wish Tony were still alive... Into the Night wrote: sealover wrote: Evolutionary Biology and the Endosymbiotic Theory of Consciousness. There is no such thing as 'endosymbiotic theory of consciousness'. sealover wrote: To understand how we can use the technology of applied biogeochemistry to address climate change and ocean "acidification", it is useful to understand a few things about evolutionary biology. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Climate cannot change. You cannot acidify an alkaline. I see you believe in the Church of Evolution as well. sealover wrote: Bacteria once used transformation of carbon dioxide into methane to create an atmosphere in which methane was present at double digit percentage (parts per hundred) concentrations, rather than the 1.7 parts per MILLION that it is today. Any fire converts methane to carbon dioxide. I guess you figure a gas stove to be 'bacteria' now. sealover wrote: Bacteria today can transform methane into carbon dioxide, reducing the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas twenty fold. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics again. sealover wrote: The evolution of endosymbiosis, such as the mitochondria that allow an otherwise anaerobic organism to utilize oxygen as oxidant, can be applied as technology for organisms to combine their efforts in symbiosis to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the planet. sealover wrote: Understanding of evolutionary biology can help us understand how to be better stewards of the Earth. Mindless belief is not being a better steward. sealover wrote: It can also help us understand ourselves and what we really are. The endosymbiotic theory of consciousness. Buzzword fallacy. sealover wrote: Every human body is a pair of conjoined twins, each twin having its own separate brain. There is only one brain. It has fourteen separate areas, each serving a unique purpose. sealover wrote: Tony was a scientific genius who made his first brilliant discovery at age 17. Science isn't an IQ rating. IQ is a meaningless number. sealover wrote: He was too smart for high school so they had him take classes at local college. ...deleted remaining fiction... Nice story. Meaningless fiction. sealover wrote: In part, this thread is where the connection between evolutionary biology and technology to address global environmental change can be discussed. There is no such thing as 'global environmental change'. sealover wrote: It can also be a place to have fun with other ideas related to evolutionary biology. The Theory of Evolution is a religion. sealover wrote: And wait until you learn about Tony's OTHER big discovery, when he was much older. Why? I really don't give a rat's ass about your Tony stories.
05-06-2026 20:49
Into the Night★★★★★ (24270)	Im a BM wrote: About my conversation with Eugene Odum... In the spring of 1996, I was given the honor of having more than an hour of one-on-one conversation with Eugene Odum in his office at the University of Georgia. Among other things, Dr. Odum coined the term "ecosystem". [quote]Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'ecosystem'. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
05-06-2026 20:58
Im a BM ★★★★★ (3739)	Into the Night wrote: Im a BM wrote: About my conversation with Eugene Odum... In the spring of 1996, I was given the honor of having more than an hour of one-on-one conversation with Eugene Odum in his office at the University of Georgia. Among other things, Dr. Odum coined the term "ecosystem". [quote]Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'ecosystem'. BS. FU. Phallus fallacy, you teenie weenie..

09-06-2026 04:39
sealover ★★★★★ (2130)	Wiggle, wiggle, little fluke. How I wonder what you took. Liver flukes are interesting little parasites. Uniquely endowed with the ability to operate a complex nervous system under conditions of anaerobic metabolism. A complex enough nervous system to prove that LSD is a serotonin antagonist. A classic retort on this website would be" "How do you know. Were you there?" Actually, I WAS there. Wiggle, wiggle, little fluke. How I wonder what you took. Those guys wiggle a whole lot more when they be trippin' on acid. I saw it with my own lying eyes! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote]sealover wrote: "Lay off the LSD" - Which is a 5HT (serotonin) antagonist. Insights into the nature of human consciousness can be gained through study of neuro pharmacology. Nerve cells communicate with each other by sending neurotransmitters across a synapse to the other. Messages can be sent in only one direction at a synapse between any two nerve cells. It is widely accepted that LSD has the pharmacological capacity to alter consciousness. It is also an opportunity to preview a bit of the neuro pharmacology to be included in what will be a long running thread. LSD is a 5 hydroxy triptamine (5HT), also known as serotonin, antagonist. How might that account for the manner in which it alters consciousness? Start by knowing what serotonin (5HT) does as a neurotransmitter. A neurotransmitter can do one of two things after it crosses the synapse and attaches to the binding site of the target nerve cell. Some neurotransmitters are excitatory. They tell the other nerve to get more active and send more signals. Other neurotransmitters are inhibitory. They tell the other nerve to calm down and take the signals down a notch. Serotonin is inhibitory. Serotonin is used to quell the action within the network. As soon as the signal gets sent, the nerve cell that put out the 5HT sucks back up excess serotonin still left out in the synapse. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are antidepressant pharmaceuticals that diminish the reuptake of serotonin from the synapses. LSD is a different kind of pharmaceutical. LSD is a serotonin antagonist. LDD is a perfect fit for the serotonin binding site on the receiving end of a synapse. Foreign chemicals that are capable of fitting perfectly into the receptor site on the other side of a synapse are either agonists or antagonist. An agonist actually stimulates the receptor site, telling the other nerve to either get excited or calm down, depending on the neurotransmitter. If LSD were a serotonin AGONIST, it would be continuously telling the next nerve to calm down. As a serotonin ANTAGONIST, LSD prevents the other nerve from ever getting the message to calm down. Our bodies don't have an enzyme to get the LSD off the synaptic binding site, as we do for serotonin, so LSD stays there for hours and hours. Preventing the receiving nerve from getting the message to calm down. FOR SIXTEEN FREAKING HOURS, HOLY SHIT... So, lay of the LSD, people!

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