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Everyone has his own right to believe in anyone. No one has the right to force anyone else to believe.25-09-2016 03:27
Tai Hai Chen
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That applies to CAGW. Anyone who believes in it has no right to force anyone else to believe it.
Edited on 25-09-2016 03:28
25-09-2016 04:14
jwoodward48
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I believe that I have the right to torture people. What should society do?
25-09-2016 04:51
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Rights are granted by the State, not from beliefs.


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25-09-2016 05:15
jwoodward48
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If AGW is occurring, then measures should be taken to prevent bad things from happening.
25-09-2016 06:12
Tai Hai Chen
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jwoodward48 wrote:
If AGW is occurring, then measures should be taken to prevent bad things from happening.


Who gives you the right to judge what is good what is bad? Who gives you the right to infringe on other people's lifestyles because of what you think is good? How is AGW good? How is AGW bad? That is not for man to judge. That is for God to judge. Everything that happens is God's will. Man knows the past. God makes the future.

It's like. Kerry wants to end war. Every day there is war. Since the dawn of mankind. War is God's will. Who gives Kerry the right to say war is good or war is bad?
Edited on 25-09-2016 06:14
25-09-2016 09:14
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote: War is God's will.

Is AGW God's will?

I ask because atheists everywhere will find that answer interesting.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
25-09-2016 12:28
Tim the plumber
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
If AGW is occurring, then measures should be taken to prevent bad things from happening.


Who gives you the right to judge what is good what is bad? Who gives you the right to infringe on other people's lifestyles because of what you think is good? How is AGW good? How is AGW bad? That is not for man to judge. That is for God to judge. Everything that happens is God's will. Man knows the past. God makes the future.

It's like. Kerry wants to end war. Every day there is war. Since the dawn of mankind. War is God's will. Who gives Kerry the right to say war is good or war is bad?


If we force the world to believe that they, each of us all, are responsible for our actions and that it is better not to be killing people then we just might stop these wars. Especially the particularly stupid ones over religion.

That, in my view, would be a good thing to do.

So, **** God and his wars.
25-09-2016 16:02
jwoodward48
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(This is just an example. I'm not actually a sociopath.)

My lifestyle involves kidnapping and torturing people. What? What do you mean, "that's evil"? What gives you the right to judge what is good and what is bad? Who gives you the right to infringe upon my lifestyle just because you think it's bad? How is torturing good? How is torturing bad? That is not for you to judge. That is for God to judge. Everything that happens is God's will. Man knows the past, but God makes the future.

You want to keep me from torturing people? Every day since the dawn of mankind, somebody's tortured someone else. Torturing is God's will. What gives you the right to say torturing is bad?
25-09-2016 16:15
Tai Hai Chen
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IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: War is God's will.

Is AGW God's will?

I ask because atheists everywhere will find that answer interesting.


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Everything that happens is God's will. Humans have no free will. Human action is determined by genetics which are God's creations. Random chance, if it does exist, is determined by quantum laws that scientists do not yet understand. Einstein rejected random chance. Einstein says, if something seemed random, it's because of factors that people didn't know about. Tossing a coin may land in a head or a tail, but it is not random. It depends on many many factors. It all these factors are known, then it is possible to determine in advance the coin will land head or tail.
Edited on 25-09-2016 16:17
25-09-2016 16:22
Tai Hai Chen
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jwoodward48 wrote:
(This is just an example. I'm not actually a sociopath.)

My lifestyle involves kidnapping and torturing people. What? What do you mean, "that's evil"? What gives you the right to judge what is good and what is bad? Who gives you the right to infringe upon my lifestyle just because you think it's bad? How is torturing good? How is torturing bad? That is not for you to judge. That is for God to judge. Everything that happens is God's will. Man knows the past, but God makes the future.

You want to keep me from torturing people? Every day since the dawn of mankind, somebody's tortured someone else. Torturing is God's will. What gives you the right to say torturing is bad?


Look, wishing to do anything is your right. Whatever you do is God's will. You may think you have free will in your life. That is an illusion. Everything you do is determined by your genetics and countless factors, all of which are God's creations. If you kill someone, then that is God's will. If you don't kill anyone, then that is God's will. You may think you have free will to kill someone, but your genetics and countless factors may not allow such an action to occur. Hence, God makes the future, you do not.
Edited on 25-09-2016 16:30
25-09-2016 16:52
jwoodward48
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Einstein was wrong about quite a few things. https://xkcd.com/1206/

The Uncertainty Principle and other quantum things lead to "God playing dice". Spooky action at a distance HAS BEEN OBSERVED. Einstein was a genius, but he was wrong about QM.

But besides that, if I'm torturing somebody, society gets to stop me. Some things are agreed to be evil. Some things are against the law. If GW exists, preventing actions to counteract it would lead to thousands, if not more, if lives on your hands.
25-09-2016 16:55
Tai Hai Chen
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jwoodward48 wrote:
Einstein was wrong about quite a few things. https://xkcd.com/1206/

The Uncertainty Principle and other quantum things lead to "God playing dice". Spooky action at a distance HAS BEEN OBSERVED. Einstein was a genius, but he was wrong about QM.

But besides that, if I'm torturing somebody, society gets to stop me. Some things are agreed to be evil. Some things are against the law. If GW exists, preventing actions to counteract it would lead to thousands, if not more, if lives on your hands.


Torture and death are not necessarily evil. Just as, death by old age is not necessarily evil, war is not necessarily evil. Death by old age, murder, war, torture, these all occur constantly. These are all simply God's will.
Edited on 25-09-2016 17:07
25-09-2016 19:47
Tim the plumber
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Einstein was wrong about quite a few things. https://xkcd.com/1206/

The Uncertainty Principle and other quantum things lead to "God playing dice". Spooky action at a distance HAS BEEN OBSERVED. Einstein was a genius, but he was wrong about QM.

But besides that, if I'm torturing somebody, society gets to stop me. Some things are agreed to be evil. Some things are against the law. If GW exists, preventing actions to counteract it would lead to thousands, if not more, if lives on your hands.


Torture and death are not necessarily evil. Just as, death by old age is not necessarily evil, war is not necessarily evil. Death by old age, murder, war, torture, these all occur constantly. These are all simply God's will.


You will understand that we here think you are a completely pathetic moron.

It is due to this sort of fatalistic reasoning that Islamic societies are crap. This is true from the very bad driving to the inability to take personal responsibility to not doing anything to create good governance. All the fault of this already defeated thinking.

The sum of my decisions and actions will be the value of my life.

P.S. there is no god.
25-09-2016 20:30
jwoodward48
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Seriously? "It happens, so it's okay"? So would you mind it if I tortured you? It's okay, right, God must have intended for me to torture you. If we had Adolf Hitler alive, he shouldn't be punished - it was God's fault, he was the one who intended for the Holocaust to happen! Every murderer, rapist, psychopath in our prisons should be let free - whatever they do will be God's will, right? Who are you to demand that rights are upheld?
25-09-2016 20:46
Tai Hai Chen
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jwoodward48 wrote:
Seriously? "It happens, so it's okay"? So would you mind it if I tortured you? It's okay, right, God must have intended for me to torture you. If we had Adolf Hitler alive, he shouldn't be punished - it was God's fault, he was the one who intended for the Holocaust to happen! Every murderer, rapist, psychopath in our prisons should be let free - whatever they do will be God's will, right? Who are you to demand that rights are upheld?


You torture me? LOL to do that you have to kidnap me and tie me up. Don't think that's happening
26-09-2016 00:55
jwoodward48
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STOP EVADING

ANSWER MY SARCASTIC RESPONSE DAMMIT
26-09-2016 12:00
Tim the plumber
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Seriously? "It happens, so it's okay"? So would you mind it if I tortured you? It's okay, right, God must have intended for me to torture you. If we had Adolf Hitler alive, he shouldn't be punished - it was God's fault, he was the one who intended for the Holocaust to happen! Every murderer, rapist, psychopath in our prisons should be let free - whatever they do will be God's will, right? Who are you to demand that rights are upheld?


You torture me? LOL to do that you have to kidnap me and tie me up. Don't think that's happening


What would you do to stop it?

Would you try to avoid it?

If so why? When it's dog's will?
26-09-2016 20:39
jwoodward48
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Bark bark bark
27-09-2016 09:20
Tai Hai Chen
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Tim the plumber wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Seriously? "It happens, so it's okay"? So would you mind it if I tortured you? It's okay, right, God must have intended for me to torture you. If we had Adolf Hitler alive, he shouldn't be punished - it was God's fault, he was the one who intended for the Holocaust to happen! Every murderer, rapist, psychopath in our prisons should be let free - whatever they do will be God's will, right? Who are you to demand that rights are upheld?


You torture me? LOL to do that you have to kidnap me and tie me up. Don't think that's happening


What would you do to stop it?

Would you try to avoid it?

If so why? When it's dog's will?


If murdering or torturing someone is so easy, everyone would be doing it. Fact is, only the bravest, craziest daredevils who don't even give a damn about their own lives do things like these. Out of a million, not even 1 ever does things like these.
Edited on 27-09-2016 09:21
27-09-2016 11:42
Tim the plumber
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
jwoodward48 wrote:
Seriously? "It happens, so it's okay"? So would you mind it if I tortured you? It's okay, right, God must have intended for me to torture you. If we had Adolf Hitler alive, he shouldn't be punished - it was God's fault, he was the one who intended for the Holocaust to happen! Every murderer, rapist, psychopath in our prisons should be let free - whatever they do will be God's will, right? Who are you to demand that rights are upheld?


You torture me? LOL to do that you have to kidnap me and tie me up. Don't think that's happening


What would you do to stop it?

Would you try to avoid it?

If so why? When it's dog's will?


If murdering or torturing someone is so easy, everyone would be doing it. Fact is, only the bravest, craziest daredevils who don't even give a damn about their own lives do things like these. Out of a million, not even 1 ever does things like these.


You have very little life experience.

In war time when the rules are relaxed about such things torture is common against enemy prisoners. It is generally an act of military discipline to stop it.

I live in a world where the rules are of the construction industry. Not getting paid for work I have doen because somebody decieds to ripe me off is common.

You might associate these things with bravery I don't.

I do think you are a very sheltered individual.
27-09-2016 14:33
jwoodward48
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STOP EVADING, DAMMIT!
27-09-2016 14:55
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jwoodward48 wrote:
STOP EVADING, DAMMIT!

If you would get into the habit of quoting some text of the poster to whom you are responding, it would do wonders towards giving context to an otherwise cryptic post.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
27-09-2016 15:20
jwoodward48
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Oh, sorry. I was responding to Tai. I started writing my response before Tim posted. (I then forgot to post it, and went to bed.)




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