Ever Wonder If The warming Arctic Ocean Is Causing This ?

Into the Night wrote:
It's not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean.

Yet another graph of random numbers.

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean. You are quoting random numbers just as James is. What makes you think your random numbers are better than his?

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed:...ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

litesong wrote:

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed:...ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" would like to believe such, because the solar TSI has been languid for many decades & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period setting a 100 year record low). However, anomalous sea surface temperatures appear NOT to show any strong cooling & may actually be slightly warmer.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.1.1.2018.gif

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

James_ wrote:

Wake wrote:
[quote]James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.



The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.



Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region).

James_ wrote:
Such a warming can shift a polar vortex.

James_ wrote:
And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.

James_ wrote:
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters.

James_ wrote:
Thermodynamics allows for that.

James_ wrote:
And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: The only thing that can change Earth's temperature is changes in the Sun.

James_ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.

James - none of that is measured temperatures. It is modeled and It was for February of 2014. We already know that those models are absolutely useless.
http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.mkfYvkZd.dpbs

James_ wrote:
Wake,
What you showed is more for drought prediction. That can be caused by any number of factors. The graph I posted shows sea surface temperature relative to an average over a number of decades. They usually use at least a 30 year period to determine an average.

James_ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html

The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.

Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.

James - none of that is measured temperatures. It is modeled and It was for February of 2014. We already know that those models are absolutely useless.
http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.mkfYvkZd.dpbs

Wake,
What you showed is more for drought prediction. That can be caused by any number of factors. The graph I posted shows sea surface temperature relative to an average over a number of decades. They usually use at least a 30 year period to determine an average.

Wake wrote:
My original reference showed the temperatures of the oceans around the entire US.

Wake wrote:
The important thing there was that water temperatures were almost all normal or below normal.

Wake wrote:
Where they weren't it appeared that there must have been a shift in currents -

Wake wrote:
the Gulf Stream is the largest such current in the world. It is also the source of the warmth of the north-eastern US.

Wake wrote:
Again, when two things occur at the same time that does not mean that they are connected in any manner. That is, they usually are not cause and effect.