Ethical Depopulation Could Save the Planet

Robertgreene3 wrote:

Here are some quotes you can hold dear to your heart:

1. "But for my view, I believe that there should be no more babies."
-- Interview with John Parsons, 1947

2. "The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
-- Woman and the New Race, Chapter 5, "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families." (1920) http://www.bartleby.com/1013/

3. "We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/...

4. "I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered."
-- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366

5. "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically... Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit."
-- Interview with journalist Mike Wallace, 1957

6. "The most serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children..."
-- Sanger, Margaret. Woman and the New Race (1920). Chapter 5: The Wickedness of Creating Large Families. http://www.bartleby.com/1013/5...

7. "Eugenics without birth control seems to us a house builded [sic] upon the sands. It is at the mercy of the rising stream of the unfit."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1919) Birth Control and Racial Betterment. The Birth Control Review.

8. "As an advocate of birth control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1921) The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda. The Birth Control Review, p. 5. http://birthcontrolreview.net/...

9. "The most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1921) The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda, Birth Control Review, p. 5
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

10. "No more children should be born when the parents, though healthy themselves, find that their children are physically or mentally defective."
-- Sanger, Margaret. (1918) When Should A Woman Avoid Having Children? Birth Control Review, Nov. 1918, 6-7, Margaret Sanger Microfilm, S70:807.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

11. "A marriage license shall in itself give husband and wife only the right to a common household and not the right to parenthood."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 3, 27 Mar 1934.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

12. "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit for parenthood."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 4, March 27, 1934.

13. "Permits for parenthood shall be issued upon application by city, county, or state authorities to married couples, providing they are financially able to support the expected child, have the qualifications needed for proper rearing of the child, have no transmissible diseases, and, on the woman's part, no medical indication that maternity is likely to result in death or permanent injury to health."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 5, March 27, 1934.

14. "No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth..."
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies," Article 6, March 27, 1934.

15. "Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."
-- Sanger, Margaret. "My Way to Peace," Jan. 17, 1932. Margaret Sanger Papers, Library of Congress 130:198. https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

16. "... these two words [birth control] sum up our whole philosophy... It means the release and cultivation of the better elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks -- those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization."
-- Margaret Sanger, "High Lights in the History of Birth Control," Oct 1923.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

17. "Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease..."
-- Sanger, Margaret (1922). The Pivot of Civilization.

18. "My own position is that the Catholic doctrine is illogical, not in accord with science, and definitely against social welfare and race improvement."
-- Margaret Sanger, "The Pope's Position on Birth Control," Jan. 27, 1932.
https://www.nyu.edu/projects/s...

19. "All of our problems are the result of overbreeding among the working class... Knowledge of birth control is essentially moral. Its general, though prudent, practice must lead to a higher individuality and ultimately to a cleaner race."
-- Margaret Sanger, "Morality and Birth Control," Feb-Mar 1918.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sa...

20. "Feeble-mindedness perpetuates itself from the ranks of those who are blandly indifferent to their racial responsibilities. And it is largely this type of humanity we are now drawing upon to populate our world for the generations to come. In this orgy of multiplying and replenishing the earth, this type is pari passu multiplying and perpetuating those direst evils in which we must, if civilization is to survive, extirpate by the very roots."
-- Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, 1922
https://www.scribd.com/documen...

21. "Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives... If we are to make racial progress, this development of womanhood must precede motherhood in every individual woman." -- "Woman and the New Race," 1920

You can show your great and marvelous morals and ethics because you like all liberals believe that it is the responsibility of others to die and leave you more room.

I understand there are some sick psychopaths using overpopulation as an excuse to commit mass murder and genocide. I appreciate your concern here, because it's the very same concern I have. These elites undermine ethical efforts to deal with overpopulation. There are other elites who want rapid growth to exploit cheap labor, and undermine local manufacturing. It's a very complicated issue. I think we need to find ethical ways of gradually reducing the worlds population as a whole, without singling out any race or ethnicity, but giving priority to highly overpopulated countries first.

We shouldn't be afraid of discussing overpopulation, just because these concerns arise. We need to separate the ethical from the unethical solutions. I am also not a liberal. I'm a conservative with an environmental background. I'm against deficit financing, because its stealing money from future generations, so insiders can become rich.

I'm very impressed with your efforts to address some serious concerns about overpopulation. Please post more information.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
I have an ethical solution to overpopulation. Instead of sponsor a child, it's called "sponsor a vasectomy". The most racist thing we can do to the third world, is ignore it, and let them breed at unsustainable levels, while the globalist continue to exploit their endless supply of cheap labor. If $100 could pay for 50 vasectomies, i'd give that money in a heartbeat.

As third world populations start to stabilize, wages would start to go up, and their quality of life, and environment would improve.

I'd only have one condition, the vasectomy can only be performed after a fathers second child. We have to respect the dignity of a normal family size. I think that's an ethical compromise, that still encourages parenthood, at a reasonable level.

I would also refuse to pay a carbon tax to environmental scammers, until the agree to use that money to pay for ethical solutions to fight overpopulation. We shouldn't tolerate the hypocrisy.

Take this conversation to other forums. And sell the concept of "Ethical Depopulation" as a solution to the environment, climate change, and quality of life, for the world's citizens. Let's lobby for wide-scale vasectomies programs to be paid for by governments, and charities. Start a research pool, and get documentaries made. Demand that media cover this issue. Overpopulation is the number one cause of climate change, but their are ethical ways to slow it down. Do not compromise on political correctness, but be as ethical as possible.

GasGuzzler wrote:
What a great idea for stocking stuffers this Christmas! Vasectomy/lessadicktomy gift cards!

Robert, you're kind of a dumbass.

monckton wrote:
Obamacare in jeopardy, states protect no-cost contraception, including vasectomy
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/health/states-protect-no-cost-contraception-and-vasectomy-aca/index.html

Historically, family planning has been covered in this country for a variety of reasons, according to Applegate. Primarily, it has been seen as a very cost-effective method of providing the public health benefit of fewer unintended pregnancies and fewer preterm babies.

monckton wrote:
Speaking of yankee-go-home ...

Syria – ISIS Is Defeated – The U.S. Is Next In Line
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/11/syria-isis-defeated-u-s-next-line/

..."My message to the US military command: when the battle against ISIS (the Islamic State group) will end, no American soldier will be tolerated in Syria. I advise you to leave by your own will or you will be forced to it."

monckton wrote: What are you doing on this stinking foreign forum?

monckton wrote:
Well, at least they haven't been through basic training ...

"...The increased violence around Fort Carson began at the start of the Iraq war. A 126-page Army report known as an "Epidemiological Consultation" released in 2009 found that the murder rate around the Army's third-largest post had doubled and that the number of rape arrests had tripled. As David Philipps wrote in Lethal Warriors, his 2010 book about the crime spree, "In the year after the battalion returned from Iraq, the per-capita murder rate for this small group of soldiers was a hundred times greater than the national average."
War Is Hell, and the Hell Rubs Off
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/ptsd_and_violence_by_veterans_increased_murder_rates_related_to_war_experience.html

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time(plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: With any luck, monckton will be a victim of the next suicide bombing.

monckton wrote:
I thought it was the American military.
Has Trump turned his back on the troops?
Shame.

They're already killing themselves quicker than the enemy.
Must be some ethical de-population initiative.
Go Troops!

Veterans Day: Suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/10/veterans-day-suicide-has-caused-more-american-casualties-than-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Well you can expect more wars, as the world runs out of resources.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Iraq was about oil.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
That's why overpopulation is a bad thing during resource depletion.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
All roads lead to overpopulation.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Everything is connected to overpopulation, in one form or another,

Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you want to solve climate change,

Robertgreene3 wrote:
prevent deforestation,

Robertgreene3 wrote:
and prevent war,

Robertgreene3 wrote:
you have to do something to slow down out rapid population growth.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
When you begin to solve overpopulation, you being to solve every environmental problem.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
You don't just 2 birds with one stone, you kill the entire flock.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Trying to contain the symptoms of overpopulation, is like playing a game of wack-a-mole.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
It's better to go after the root cause, than try and treat each symptom separately.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you disagree, name one environmental problem, that doesn't get worse with rapid population growth?

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation.

Wake wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation.

There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Without overpopulation, the demand for lumber and farmland would be marginable.

The severe deforestation in Borneo is caused by overpopulation. If the human species has become powerful enough to whip out most of the worlds rain forests, than there are too many people on the planet. That's how I define overpopulation.

Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.

Robertgreene3 wrote:

There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

They had aerial photographs before the 1980's. They had ground photographs going back to the 19th century. The had written records going back centuries. You're telling me, that had no idea how big the forests of Borneo were before the 1980's. Maybe you can try a little harder.

Robertgreene3 wrote:

Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.

Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?

Wake wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:

There was NO WAY of telling the forestation of Borneo before Satellite imagery in the early 80's. Likewise guess as to what is going to happen are nothing more that guesses.

If you want to see what "predictions" came true look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

They had aerial photographs before the 1980's. They had ground photographs going back to the 19th century. The had written records going back centuries. You're telling me, that had no idea how big the forests of Borneo were before the 1980's. Maybe you can try a little harder.

Robert - who were these people flying aircraft over Borneo?

Wake wrote:
Where were the airfields

Wake wrote:
and who do you believe had aircraft?

Wake wrote:
Even the Japanese didn't have aircraft there during the war because of conditions there and after the war the political unrest between the various warring factions prevented much about Borneo from being known by anyone but the native tribes.

Wake wrote:
Where in the hell are you getting the idea that the Earth is yours to toy with?

Robertgreene3 wrote:
Ok guys lets tone it down for a minute, and share a few good songs. There's times to complain, and there is times to celebrate what's beautiful. Here's a great song about country roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLa_ZwuxHg

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).

Into the Night wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:

Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.

Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?

The fact that it is only twice the size of Germany.

Robertgreene3 wrote:

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).

Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.

[b]Robertgreene3 wrote:.... solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebag steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.

Robertgreene3 wrote:

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).

Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

Robertgreene3 wrote:
I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists.

Robertgreene3 wrote:
If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method,

Robertgreene3 wrote:
what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

Robertgreene3 wrote:
I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.

Robertgreene3 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:

Borneo is not the 'worlds forests'. It is a tiny island. Mishandling of this resource is not caused by overpopulation. There is no overpopulation.

Borneo's area is 743,330 km2
Germany's area is 357,376 km²

Borneo is over twice the size of Germany. What gives you the right to call it a "Tiny Island"?

The fact that it is only twice the size of Germany.

Do you still consider the third largest island in the world a "Tiny Island"?

https://www.theworldorbust.com/the-five-largest-islands-in-the-world/

Wake wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).

Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.

Quite frankly I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.

litesong wrote:

[b]Robertgreene3 wrote:.... solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

Increase wages securely to low & middle income workers who are the wealth builders of countries, such that they will be able to take care of themselves in old age. Birth rates will automatically come down.

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

Robertgreene3 wrote:

He has a fear of what he refers to as 'overpopulation' destroying the resources of Earth. He simply has a vague 'solution' that something about 'overpopulation' must be done (but no specific solution, since all of those are ethically incorrect).

Let me ask you this. If you were a paid policy adviser, and you were asked to come up with solutions to deal with overpopulation, that are ethical, what solutions would you recommend?

I rather hear the difference of opinions on the solutions to overpopulation, than only debate on weather or not it exists. If you disagree with a wide-scale vasectomy method, what other ideas do you have, that could be ethical, and get meaningful results?

I want to see links, articles, ideas, and concepts, showing things that are actually being done to fight overpopulation in 2017.

Quite frankly I would advise taking you and all of the people like you and dipping them in lye.

Why? Because they're clueless?

Your violent tendencies are showing up again.