Earth in the Balance, by Al Gore, 1992

StarMan wrote:
We begin on page 3. Gore laments that eight acres worth of prime topsoil "floats" past Memphis every hour. Topsoil does not float. Were President Bush to say such a thing, liberals would howl derisively and cite his stupidity. Liberals excuse away their own verbal gaffes as trivial, and call themselves intelligent.

On page 110, Gore laments the Sacramento River delta sinking about three inches each year, perhaps because it is getting less sediment. So you see, erosion is bad in Memphis (page 3) and India (page 120) , but getting less sediment is bad in California. Liberals have finely tuned their Bad Both Ways dialogue. For example, liberals opine that Third world countries are terrible polluters. They rape and plunder the environment while their citizens barely subsist. America is likewise terrible for precisely the opposite reason - we consume far too much. It is bad both ways, rich or poor, sediment or none.

Page 5: .the concentrations of CO2 were increasing rapidly each year (at Mauna Loa Observatory) "
[Gore calls a .00036 annual increase "rapid." (1.36 ppm / 380)]


P 19: "I was standing in the sun on a hot steel deck. We were anchored..."
[Not exactly. For as Gore said a sentence later, there was nothing but hot dry sand in all directions. The Aral Sea had long since receded from this place, and a stranded boat is not said to be anchored. One anchors only in water. Nobody has a boat anchored in his back yard.]

P 47 "Aficionados of the symphony, for example, recognize a crescendo as the point of maximum instability in a piece of music"

[ I happen to be an aficionado of the symphony, and I know that crescendo means the gradual increase in volume. Nor is a crescendo a point but rather can cover quite a wide range. Maurice Ravel wrote an entire piece in crescendo, called Bolero.]


P 75 Gore condemns "... blind devotion to laissez-faire economics, anti-Irish racism, and anti-Catholic bigotry ...this is from a man who showed his own hateful bigotry with such remarks as "the extra chromosome right wing."

P 119 "A ravenous civilization" [Three yew trees must be cut down to save a woman's life. Are we untitled to do so? No, Al. Let her die. Three trees mean much more than a woman's life to Al Gore and people like him. Incidentally, this hypocrite rides in his private limousine to fly his private jet all around the world, lecturing to everyone else about "ravenous civilization" and cutting back on their carbon footprints.]


P 273 "...today a different form of dysfunction takes the form of ravenous, insatiable consumption"

[This from a billionaire, who lives in a San Francisco mansion, near sea level, which he swears is rapidly rising.....]

James_ wrote:
And New Orleans and it's delta are sinking.

James_ wrote:
I think I see the problem with climate debate.

James_ wrote:
Debates are not about understanding something but are like the last political election, it's about winning and in a debate there is no right or wrong.

James_ wrote:
And now Into the Night can say temperature can't be measured, it's falsified, etc. ad nauseum.

James_ wrote:
He is debating and is doing so by saying nothing that has a basis in reality.

James_ wrote:
It's comments actually fit the definition of schizophrenia. I didn't mean to say "it's comments", I meant to say his comments.

James_ wrote:
Also what Gore showed were observations.

James_ wrote:
And everyone will have a different opinion when they observe something.

James_ wrote:
Am curious, did Gore mention the depleted ground water in the midwest or in California ?

James_ wrote:
For all anyone knows the delta in California is sinking is because of decreased ground water.

James_ wrote:
Phoenix, Az. has dropped 20 ft. since the 1950's because of ground water depletion.

James_ wrote:
With New Orleans the delta it's sitting on is being eroded from within and the sediment it is sitting on is being flushed out into the Gulf of Mexico.

James_ wrote:
The examples I gave show how the same observation can have 2 different and unrelated causes.

James_ wrote:
Debates do not allow for this as New Orleans and Phoenix would be considered the same situation in a debate with the same cause and effect.

James_ wrote:
Unholy Links, please do not worship these as Into the Night does not allow for scientific understanding.

James_ wrote:
Because the 2 situations have different causes they falsify each other, right into the night ?

James_ wrote:
Just trying to save you the effort of saying it once again.
...deleted Holy Links...

StarMan wrote:
We begin on page 3. Gore laments that eight acres worth of prime topsoil "floats" past Memphis every hour. Topsoil does not float. Were President Bush to say such a thing, liberals would howl derisively and cite his stupidity. Liberals excuse away their own verbal gaffes as trivial, and call themselves intelligent.

spot wrote:
Topsoil does not float but its carried downstream as sediment which is obviously what is meant, this isn't a court you can't change whats actually happening on a clever technicality.

James_ wrote:

StarMan wrote:
We begin on page 3. Gore laments that eight acres worth of prime topsoil "floats" past Memphis every hour. Topsoil does not float. Were President Bush to say such a thing, liberals would howl derisively and cite his stupidity. Liberals excuse away their own verbal gaffes as trivial, and call themselves intelligent.

On page 110, Gore laments the Sacramento River delta sinking about three inches each year, perhaps because it is getting less sediment. So you see, erosion is bad in Memphis (page 3) and India (page 120) , but getting less sediment is bad in California. Liberals have finely tuned their Bad Both Ways dialogue. For example, liberals opine that Third world countries are terrible polluters. They rape and plunder the environment while their citizens barely subsist. America is likewise terrible for precisely the opposite reason - we consume far too much. It is bad both ways, rich or poor, sediment or none.

Page 5: .the concentrations of CO2 were increasing rapidly each year (at Mauna Loa Observatory) "
[Gore calls a .00036 annual increase "rapid." (1.36 ppm / 380)]


P 19: "I was standing in the sun on a hot steel deck. We were anchored..."
[Not exactly. For as Gore said a sentence later, there was nothing but hot dry sand in all directions. The Aral Sea had long since receded from this place, and a stranded boat is not said to be anchored. One anchors only in water. Nobody has a boat anchored in his back yard.]

P 47 "Aficionados of the symphony, for example, recognize a crescendo as the point of maximum instability in a piece of music"

[ I happen to be an aficionado of the symphony, and I know that crescendo means the gradual increase in volume. Nor is a crescendo a point but rather can cover quite a wide range. Maurice Ravel wrote an entire piece in crescendo, called Bolero.]


P 75 Gore condemns "... blind devotion to laissez-faire economics, anti-Irish racism, and anti-Catholic bigotry ...this is from a man who showed his own hateful bigotry with such remarks as "the extra chromosome right wing."

P 119 "A ravenous civilization" [Three yew trees must be cut down to save a woman's life. Are we untitled to do so? No, Al. Let her die. Three trees mean much more than a woman's life to Al Gore and people like him. Incidentally, this hypocrite rides in his private limousine to fly his private jet all around the world, lecturing to everyone else about "ravenous civilization" and cutting back on their carbon footprints.]


P 273 "...today a different form of dysfunction takes the form of ravenous, insatiable consumption"

[This from a billionaire, who lives in a San Francisco mansion, near sea level, which he swears is rapidly rising.....]

And New Orleans and it's delta are sinking. I think I see the problem with climate debate. Debates are not about understanding something but are like the last political election, it's about winning and in a debate there is no right or wrong.
And now Into the Night can say temperature can't be measured, it's falsified, etc. ad nauseum. He is debating and is doing so by saying nothing that has a basis in reality. It's comments actually fit the definition of schizophrenia. I didn't mean to say "it's comments", I meant to say his comments.
Also what Gore showed were observations. And everyone will have a different opinion when they observe something.
Am curious, did Gore mention the depleted ground water in the midwest or in California ? For all anyone knows the delta in California is sinking is because of decreased ground water. Phoenix, Az. has dropped 20 ft. since the 1950's because of ground water depletion. With New Orleans the delta it's sitting on is being eroded from within and the sediment it is sitting on is being flushed out into the Gulf of Mexico.
The examples I gave show how the same observation can have 2 different and unrelated causes. Debates do not allow for this as New Orleans and Phoenix would be considered the same situation in a debate with the same cause and effect.


Jim

Unholy Links, please do not worship these as Into the Night does not allow for scientific understanding. Because the 2 situations have different causes they falsify each other, right into the night ? Just trying to save you the effort of saying it once again.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/casa-grande/earth-fissures-linked-to-sinking-valley-in-southern-arizona

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-orleans-is-sinking/

Wake wrote:


So now you're (spot) telling us what Al Gore meant because obviously he's too stupid to know what he is saying himself.

StarMan wrote:

Wake wrote:
So now you're (spot) telling us what Al Gore meant because obviously he's too stupid to know what he is saying himself.

Repeatedly. I cited only a small fraction of Al Gore's ignorance. He featured graphs without attribution or sourcing. He demonstrated consummate hypocrisy in telling everybody else how fragile earth is "in the balance" and how we should stop driving and flying around so much, even as he flies and drives around with hypergross excess. But his fawning followers listen uncritically to one of their own, but yet are extremely critical of anything presented by the hated right.

I can read something critically no matter who the author is, but unsurprisingly, when I read something from a Walter Williams or a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman, it makes sense. It is true. I can rarely if ever find fault with conservative intellectuals, try as I might. With liberals of any stripe, the stupidity jumps out at you like a ship "anchored" miles from the Aral Sea.... like the "point" of crescendo.... like topsoil "floating" by. "Eight acres' worth."

StarMan
With liberals of any stripe, the stupidity jumps out at you like a ship "anchored" miles from the Aral Sea....

James_ wrote:
@Starman,
What else Gore didn't mention is the Ogallala Aquifer going dry.

James_ wrote:
This will increase the amount of erosion

James_ wrote:
and would block the Mississippi

James_ wrote:
if it weren't flushed out into the gulf.

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:
Topsoil does not float but its carried downstream as sediment which is obviously what is meant, this isn't a court you can't change whats actually happening on a clever technicality.

So now you're telling us what Al Gore meant because obviously he's too stupid to know what he is saying himself.

GasGuzzler wrote:

With the talk of liberal stupidity and the mention of New Orleans, I had to go dig up this little nugget.