Does ANYONE believe ITN is a "chemist"?
| 01-03-2026 23:44 | |
Swan ★★★★★(7874) |
Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote: Take your pills IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?  Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy  Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 01-03-2026 23:45 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote: Take your pills IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 02-03-2026 12:37 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote: So did they teach you from my entrapment 101 handbook at Quantico? IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 02-03-2026 13:58 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote: It's ok, I know that you are special. Just like Corky IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 02-03-2026 22:00 | |
Spongy Iris ★★★★★(3487) |
Swan wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote:Spongy Iris wrote:Swan wrote: My special agent code name is Fusilli Jerry. https://youtu.be/7ZPiWDOCEak?si=d5UweNqRfaITyX2J More LOLs https://youtu.be/ffWrsxI2P40?si=p8lVU0F-ybCJdtib %20(1).png) https://uccastandoff12424.blogspot.com/2024/01/this-blog-post-is-about-relationship.html Edited on 02-03-2026 22:04 |
| 02-03-2026 22:12 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Im a BM wrote:Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Thank you, Swan, for reminding me about additional -OH binding sites on both cannabinoids and tannins, enabling them to act as polydentate ligands. You are correct, tannins and cannabinoids have additional binding sites to act as polydentate ligands, in addition to that oh-so-special ortho phenol carboxylic adjacent pair on the benzene rings, with TWO adjacent binding sites that are especially strong formers of organometallic complexes. Cannabinoids and tannins also have other phenolic -OH groups that can act as binding sites. Tannins also have many ortho dihydric groups on benzene rings. These are two adjacent -OH groups that can also form strong organometallic complexes, bind to protein, etc. The plant's phenotype, the physical expression of the genotype, includes more than just the cells of the live plant. As per the genius Richard Dawkins, we understand organisms to have an "extended" phenotype. Such as the dams that beavers build. Or the dense litter layers that tannin-rich plants create. To my credit, tannins are understood to have adaptive value in natural selection and evolution through the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Someone else will eventually get credit when they prove that cannabinoids accomplish something remarkably similar, in the cannabis "extended" phenotype. |
| 02-03-2026 23:24 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Im a BM wrote:Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Im a BM wrote:Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote:Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: And the most important thing that you can figure out to do with your life is to babble here. Take your pills shirley IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 02-03-2026 23:45 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Back to "original definitions"... Ask Google! Im a BM wrote: *************************************** Google does not define any word. False authority fallacy. There is no such thing as a 'terminal electron acceptor'. Buzzword fallacy. 'Alchemy' is the old word for 'chemistry'. The Arabic prefix 'al-' simply means 'the'. So 'alchemy' means 'the chemistry' and nothing else. Im a BM wrote: Alchemy is not a religion. It was theories of science, most of which have been falsified. Im a BM wrote: No, Robert. I don't continue to treat falsified theories as if they were part of science. YOU also ignore theories of science, including the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. You think science is buzzwords. Indeed, you barely know English. You don't even know what 'climate' is. You seem to confuse 'climate' with 'weather'. You believe that magickal Holy Gases can somehow warm the Earth by their mere presence. That's a religion, Robert. I call it the Church of Global Warming. Indeed, it is a fundamentalist style religion. Fireworks isn't 'blowing shit up' (although there are some practitioners that delight in such devices). It is chemistry becoming art...the art of fire in the sky. You have no idea how to build any component safely. You can't even name the components or what they do. You couldn't even manufacture a good black powder. You have no idea of the chemicals used or why they are used. You have no idea even how to store such materials safely or to use it safely. You have no idea of the federal and state laws concerning such materials or even how to transport them safely. You can't even manufacture any of the commonly used fuses or explain why each type is used and where. You think you can bullshit your way through with numerous buzzwords. It only shows your own ignorance and illiteracy. ALL of fireworks is based on theories of science. It is also based on aesthetics and human emotion. It is where science meets art. It is where a few pounds of chemicals and some paper and string, come together to make lasting memories for families on a summer's night sky while they celebrate the birth of their nation. It is that special birthday party. It is that winter festival crowning finale. It is the New Year festivities. It is chemistry. Just as much as the chemistry that produces paper, creates useful plastics and pesticides and fertilizer and paints and dyes and adhesives and binders and even Post-it notes. And you have no appreciation for any of it. You are too wrapped up in your buzzwords and paranoia, trying to pretend that you are a chemist, trying to push your religion of global warming, and whining about forum statistics.[/quote] ******************************************** Meh. Don't you wish you could honestly say that you have made actual discoveries in the field of chemistry, published in the world's most prestigious journals, and cited in thousands of peer-reviewed scientific papers? I can honestly say such things, and more, because I really am a chemist. Maybe you've heard of the journal Nature? There is a great article by Terry Chapin, "New cog in the nitrogen cycle", published in 1995, in Nature, volume 377, page 199. The "new cog in the nitrogen cycle" that Chapin discusses in this review is about my own paper in that same issue of Nature. Myself, et. al, 1995. Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter. Nature, volume 377, pages 227-229. Into the Night, I only rub it in your face because you insist on falsely accusing me of NOT being a chemist. You can't cite any important chemistry discoveries you ever made because you never made any. Your real name searched on Google will not reveal any contribution of any kind to any field of science. You can redefine any term you want and stand by your unsupported contrarian assertions. But you can NEVER make vegetable oil, terpenes, lignin, or tannins become "carbohydrates" in the real field of chemistry.[/quote] ******************************************** The only journal that you are in, is the pot cookies recipe journal[/quote] ***************************************************** If I were still in the game, I would submit a brief communication to the Journal of Cannabinoid Research. It is a legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific research journal. I did decades of research into phenol carboxylic acids, but never paid attention to the cannabis connection. THC, the active ingredient, is NOT a phenol carboxylic acid, but it is derived from one. THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid, must be "decarboxylated" to become THC. All those years I didn't know that to make "edibles" with maximum effect, the THCa must first be decarboxylated to THC. It doesn't take much heat to knock off that carboxylic acid group. It just needs to reach about 240 degrees F. That is accomplished in a joint just by the heat coming off the burning tip as it is sucked into the material yet to be burned. But a lot of the potential THC in "edibles" is lost if the THCa is not decarboxylated first. Baking weed cookies solves the problem with temperature well above 240 degrees F. What is cannabis accomplishing in the wild by putting the phenol carboxylic acid THCa in its foliage? The polyphenol connection may be an important one. Tetrahydrocannabinoic acid has adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups in ortho position on the six member ring. This structure can form strong organometallic complexes with transition metals, and can bind to protein as tannins do. Cannabis may be using THCa the way pines use condensed tannins. In the wild it forms monospecific thickets that dominate disturbed sites for decades, perhaps by regulating carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage.[/quote] Cannabinoids versus tannins - What's the difference? Cannabinoids include the terpeno phenol carboxylic acid THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid. It has a terpene attached to a benzene ring which has a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in ortho (adjacent) position. Tannins are phenol carboxylic acids. Unlike cannabinoids, tannins do not have terpene groups. Like THCa, tannins have benzene rings with a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in in ortho (adjacent) position. A benzene ring with adjacent binding sites, one being the phenolic -OH group and the other being the carboxylic -COOH group. This enables tannins to act as polydentate ligands to form strong complexes with proteins and transition metals. If I were still with a research institution I'd submit the idea that cannabinoids could have adaptive value comparable to tannins as part of the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Cannabis moves in on fertile soil sites that have been disturbed to form monospecific thickets that exclude other vegetation. They could be adding their cannabinoids to the soil in order to regulate carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage. I might still share this w[/quote] ******************************* All copied and pasted[/quote] ******************************* Swan, it is possible that you genuinely believe this was "All copied and pasted". That would mean there is some other place where these words were already published. It would mean that the hypothesis of cannabinoids behaving in a manner comparable to tannins in plant-litter-soil interactions has already been published somewhere, and I simply copied and pasted it. Swan, it is possible that someday you will realize who you were insulting. At which point it will be clear to you why your claim to having an IQ of 130 fails to impress me. At all. To your credit, at least you don't LIE about being some kind of "chemist".[/quote] ************************** Well there goes another failed FBI chemistry entrapment op. Enjoy fartface[/quote] ********************************* Thank you, Swan, for reminding me about additional -OH binding sites on both cannabinoids and tannins, enabling them to act as polydentate ligands. You are correct, tannins and cannabinoids have additional binding sites to act as polydentate ligands, in addition to that oh-so-special ortho phenol carboxylic adjacent pair on the benzene rings, with TWO adjacent binding sites that are especially strong formers of organometallic complexes. Cannabinoids and tannins also have other phenolic -OH groups that can act as binding sites. Tannins also have many ortho dihydric groups on benzene rings. These are two adjacent -OH groups that can also form strong organometallic complexes, bind to protein, etc. The plant's phenotype, the physical expression of the genotype, includes more than just the cells of the live plant. As per the genius Richard Dawkins, we understand organisms to have an "extended" phenotype. Such as the dams that beavers build. Or the dense litter layers that tannin-rich plants create. To my credit, tannins are understood to have adaptive value in natural selection and evolution through the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Someone else will eventually get credit when they prove that cannabinoids accomplish something remarkably similar, in the cannabis "extended" phenotype.[/quote] ************************************ And the most important thing that you can figure out to do with your life is to babble here. Take your pills shirley[/quote] ************************************** Your point is well taken. Yes, cannabanoids may be mobilizing iron in the soil, both by chelation of iron already in solution and by reduction of ferric iron(III) to the far more soluble form of ferrous iron(II). The kind of soils where wild cannabis can be most invasive tend to be on the higher pH side, and not acidic enough to make iron readily bioavailable. Similarly, they could be mobilizing manganese in the soil, potentially in a manner that is allelopathic to competing vegetation. I certainly saw the dicranopteris linearis ferns do this with tannins in the cloud forest. However, those soils formed on manganese-rich parent material. And the ferns kept their own roots out of harm's way in the above-ground litter layer, as they mobilized toxic levels of manganese to kill the pioneer trees whose roots were in the underlying topsoil. But the organometallic interaction capacity of tannins and cannabinoids is an important aspect of their influence in plant-litter-soil interactions. Any transition metal in solution can form two bonds with the adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups, to be mobilized or arrested as it attaches to the organic ligand. If the complex is soluble, the metal can travel. If the organic ligand was part of the solid matrix of decomposing organic matter, the metal will be arrested and retained against leaching, held as an exchangeable cation. Furthermore, the phenolic group is a REDUCING agent. It can turn insoluble ferric iron(III) into soluble and bioavailable ferrous iron(II). I can turn insoluble Mn(IV) manganese into soluble and bioavailable Mn(II) manganese. |
| 03-03-2026 14:11 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Im a BM wrote: ******************************************** Meh. Don't you wish you could honestly say that you have made actual discoveries in the field of chemistry, published in the world's most prestigious journals, and cited in thousands of peer-reviewed scientific papers? I can honestly say such things, and more, because I really am a chemist. Maybe you've heard of the journal Nature? There is a great article by Terry Chapin, "New cog in the nitrogen cycle", published in 1995, in Nature, volume 377, page 199. The "new cog in the nitrogen cycle" that Chapin discusses in this review is about my own paper in that same issue of Nature. Myself, et. al, 1995. Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter. Nature, volume 377, pages 227-229. Into the Night, I only rub it in your face because you insist on falsely accusing me of NOT being a chemist. You can't cite any important chemistry discoveries you ever made because you never made any. Your real name searched on Google will not reveal any contribution of any kind to any field of science. You can redefine any term you want and stand by your unsupported contrarian assertions. But you can NEVER make vegetable oil, terpenes, lignin, or tannins become "carbohydrates" in the real field of chemistry.[/quote] ******************************************** The only journal that you are in, is the pot cookies recipe journal[/quote] ***************************************************** If I were still in the game, I would submit a brief communication to the Journal of Cannabinoid Research. It is a legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific research journal. I did decades of research into phenol carboxylic acids, but never paid attention to the cannabis connection. THC, the active ingredient, is NOT a phenol carboxylic acid, but it is derived from one. THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid, must be "decarboxylated" to become THC. All those years I didn't know that to make "edibles" with maximum effect, the THCa must first be decarboxylated to THC. It doesn't take much heat to knock off that carboxylic acid group. It just needs to reach about 240 degrees F. That is accomplished in a joint just by the heat coming off the burning tip as it is sucked into the material yet to be burned. But a lot of the potential THC in "edibles" is lost if the THCa is not decarboxylated first. Baking weed cookies solves the problem with temperature well above 240 degrees F. What is cannabis accomplishing in the wild by putting the phenol carboxylic acid THCa in its foliage? The polyphenol connection may be an important one. Tetrahydrocannabinoic acid has adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups in ortho position on the six member ring. This structure can form strong organometallic complexes with transition metals, and can bind to protein as tannins do. Cannabis may be using THCa the way pines use condensed tannins. In the wild it forms monospecific thickets that dominate disturbed sites for decades, perhaps by regulating carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage.[/quote] Cannabinoids versus tannins - What's the difference? Cannabinoids include the terpeno phenol carboxylic acid THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid. It has a terpene attached to a benzene ring which has a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in ortho (adjacent) position. Tannins are phenol carboxylic acids. Unlike cannabinoids, tannins do not have terpene groups. Like THCa, tannins have benzene rings with a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in in ortho (adjacent) position. A benzene ring with adjacent binding sites, one being the phenolic -OH group and the other being the carboxylic -COOH group. This enables tannins to act as polydentate ligands to form strong complexes with proteins and transition metals. If I were still with a research institution I'd submit the idea that cannabinoids could have adaptive value comparable to tannins as part of the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Cannabis moves in on fertile soil sites that have been disturbed to form monospecific thickets that exclude other vegetation. They could be adding their cannabinoids to the soil in order to regulate carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage. I might still share this w[/quote] ******************************* All copied and pasted[/quote] ******************************* Swan, it is possible that you genuinely believe this was "All copied and pasted". That would mean there is some other place where these words were already published. It would mean that the hypothesis of cannabinoids behaving in a manner comparable to tannins in plant-litter-soil interactions has already been published somewhere, and I simply copied and pasted it. Swan, it is possible that someday you will realize who you were insulting. At which point it will be clear to you why your claim to having an IQ of 130 fails to impress me. At all. To your credit, at least you don't LIE about being some kind of "chemist".[/quote] ************************** Well there goes another failed FBI chemistry entrapment op. Enjoy fartface[/quote] ********************************* Thank you, Swan, for reminding me about additional -OH binding sites on both cannabinoids and tannins, enabling them to act as polydentate ligands. You are correct, tannins and cannabinoids have additional binding sites to act as polydentate ligands, in addition to that oh-so-special ortho phenol carboxylic adjacent pair on the benzene rings, with TWO adjacent binding sites that are especially strong formers of organometallic complexes. Cannabinoids and tannins also have other phenolic -OH groups that can act as binding sites. Tannins also have many ortho dihydric groups on benzene rings. These are two adjacent -OH groups that can also form strong organometallic complexes, bind to protein, etc. The plant's phenotype, the physical expression of the genotype, includes more than just the cells of the live plant. As per the genius Richard Dawkins, we understand organisms to have an "extended" phenotype. Such as the dams that beavers build. Or the dense litter layers that tannin-rich plants create. To my credit, tannins are understood to have adaptive value in natural selection and evolution through the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Someone else will eventually get credit when they prove that cannabinoids accomplish something remarkably similar, in the cannabis "extended" phenotype.[/quote] ************************************ And the most important thing that you can figure out to do with your life is to babble here. Take your pills shirley[/quote] ************************************** Your point is well taken. Yes, cannabanoids may be mobilizing iron in the soil, both by chelation of iron already in solution and by reduction of ferric iron(III) to the far more soluble form of ferrous iron(II). The kind of soils where wild cannabis can be most invasive tend to be on the higher pH side, and not acidic enough to make iron readily bioavailable. Similarly, they could be mobilizing manganese in the soil, potentially in a manner that is allelopathic to competing vegetation. I certainly saw the dicranopteris linearis ferns do this with tannins in the cloud forest. However, those soils formed on manganese-rich parent material. And the ferns kept their own roots out of harm's way in the above-ground litter layer, as they mobilized toxic levels of manganese to kill the pioneer trees whose roots were in the underlying topsoil. But the organometallic interaction capacity of tannins and cannabinoids is an important aspect of their influence in plant-litter-soil interactions. Any transition metal in solution can form two bonds with the adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups, to be mobilized or arrested as it attaches to the organic ligand. If the complex is soluble, the metal can travel. If the organic ligand was part of the solid matrix of decomposing organic matter, the metal will be arrested and retained against leaching, held as an exchangeable cation. Furthermore, the phenolic group is a REDUCING agent. It can turn insoluble ferric iron(III) into soluble and bioavailable ferrous iron(II). I can turn insoluble Mn(IV) manganese into soluble and bioavailable Mn(II) manganese.[/quote] Spoken like a certified pot head IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 04-03-2026 01:47 | |
| Swan★★★★★ (7874) |
Swan wrote:Im a BM wrote: ******************************************** The only journal that you are in, is the pot cookies recipe journal[/quote] ***************************************************** If I were still in the game, I would submit a brief communication to the Journal of Cannabinoid Research. It is a legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific research journal. I did decades of research into phenol carboxylic acids, but never paid attention to the cannabis connection. THC, the active ingredient, is NOT a phenol carboxylic acid, but it is derived from one. THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid, must be "decarboxylated" to become THC. All those years I didn't know that to make "edibles" with maximum effect, the THCa must first be decarboxylated to THC. It doesn't take much heat to knock off that carboxylic acid group. It just needs to reach about 240 degrees F. That is accomplished in a joint just by the heat coming off the burning tip as it is sucked into the material yet to be burned. But a lot of the potential THC in "edibles" is lost if the THCa is not decarboxylated first. Baking weed cookies solves the problem with temperature well above 240 degrees F. What is cannabis accomplishing in the wild by putting the phenol carboxylic acid THCa in its foliage? The polyphenol connection may be an important one. Tetrahydrocannabinoic acid has adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups in ortho position on the six member ring. This structure can form strong organometallic complexes with transition metals, and can bind to protein as tannins do. Cannabis may be using THCa the way pines use condensed tannins. In the wild it forms monospecific thickets that dominate disturbed sites for decades, perhaps by regulating carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage.[/quote] Cannabinoids versus tannins - What's the difference? Cannabinoids include the terpeno phenol carboxylic acid THCa, tetrahydrocannabinoic acid. It has a terpene attached to a benzene ring which has a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in ortho (adjacent) position. Tannins are phenol carboxylic acids. Unlike cannabinoids, tannins do not have terpene groups. Like THCa, tannins have benzene rings with a phenolic group and a carboxylic group in in ortho (adjacent) position. A benzene ring with adjacent binding sites, one being the phenolic -OH group and the other being the carboxylic -COOH group. This enables tannins to act as polydentate ligands to form strong complexes with proteins and transition metals. If I were still with a research institution I'd submit the idea that cannabinoids could have adaptive value comparable to tannins as part of the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Cannabis moves in on fertile soil sites that have been disturbed to form monospecific thickets that exclude other vegetation. They could be adding their cannabinoids to the soil in order to regulate carbon and nitrogen cycling to their advantage. I might still share this w[/quote] ******************************* All copied and pasted[/quote] ******************************* Swan, it is possible that you genuinely believe this was "All copied and pasted". That would mean there is some other place where these words were already published. It would mean that the hypothesis of cannabinoids behaving in a manner comparable to tannins in plant-litter-soil interactions has already been published somewhere, and I simply copied and pasted it. Swan, it is possible that someday you will realize who you were insulting. At which point it will be clear to you why your claim to having an IQ of 130 fails to impress me. At all. To your credit, at least you don't LIE about being some kind of "chemist".[/quote] ************************** Well there goes another failed FBI chemistry entrapment op. Enjoy fartface[/quote] ********************************* Thank you, Swan, for reminding me about additional -OH binding sites on both cannabinoids and tannins, enabling them to act as polydentate ligands. You are correct, tannins and cannabinoids have additional binding sites to act as polydentate ligands, in addition to that oh-so-special ortho phenol carboxylic adjacent pair on the benzene rings, with TWO adjacent binding sites that are especially strong formers of organometallic complexes. Cannabinoids and tannins also have other phenolic -OH groups that can act as binding sites. Tannins also have many ortho dihydric groups on benzene rings. These are two adjacent -OH groups that can also form strong organometallic complexes, bind to protein, etc. The plant's phenotype, the physical expression of the genotype, includes more than just the cells of the live plant. As per the genius Richard Dawkins, we understand organisms to have an "extended" phenotype. Such as the dams that beavers build. Or the dense litter layers that tannin-rich plants create. To my credit, tannins are understood to have adaptive value in natural selection and evolution through the plant's "extended" phenotype in plant-litter-soil interactions. Someone else will eventually get credit when they prove that cannabinoids accomplish something remarkably similar, in the cannabis "extended" phenotype.[/quote] ************************************ And the most important thing that you can figure out to do with your life is to babble here. Take your pills shirley[/quote] ************************************** Your point is well taken. Yes, cannabanoids may be mobilizing iron in the soil, both by chelation of iron already in solution and by reduction of ferric iron(III) to the far more soluble form of ferrous iron(II). The kind of soils where wild cannabis can be most invasive tend to be on the higher pH side, and not acidic enough to make iron readily bioavailable. Similarly, they could be mobilizing manganese in the soil, potentially in a manner that is allelopathic to competing vegetation. I certainly saw the dicranopteris linearis ferns do this with tannins in the cloud forest. However, those soils formed on manganese-rich parent material. And the ferns kept their own roots out of harm's way in the above-ground litter layer, as they mobilized toxic levels of manganese to kill the pioneer trees whose roots were in the underlying topsoil. But the organometallic interaction capacity of tannins and cannabinoids is an important aspect of their influence in plant-litter-soil interactions. Any transition metal in solution can form two bonds with the adjacent phenolic and carboxylic groups, to be mobilized or arrested as it attaches to the organic ligand. If the complex is soluble, the metal can travel. If the organic ligand was part of the solid matrix of decomposing organic matter, the metal will be arrested and retained against leaching, held as an exchangeable cation. Furthermore, the phenolic group is a REDUCING agent. It can turn insoluble ferric iron(III) into soluble and bioavailable ferrous iron(II). I can turn insoluble Mn(IV) manganese into soluble and bioavailable Mn(II) manganese.[/quote] Spoken like a certified pot head[/quote] Julio is a chemist as well. You know he is the guy who makes your meth IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic? Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 04-03-2026 23:45 | |
Into the Night ★★★★★(24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Chemistry isn't a journal, magazine, or paper. Science has no voting bloc. It does not use consensus. Im a BM wrote: It is obvious you are chemist. Chemistry is not a journal or magazine. Im a BM wrote: You aren't. Chemistry is not buzzwords, or a magazine, or a journal, or a paper, or a college, or a university, or a book, website, government agency, degree, or license. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a website. Chemistry is not a name search. Im a BM wrote: You are ignoring chemistry again. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a journal or magazine. There is no voting bloc in chemistry. Im a BM wrote: YARP Im a BM wrote: Metal is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Metal is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Dawkins??? Now you quote religion as chemistry??? Im a BM wrote: Dawkins did not create the theory of Natural Selection. Darwin did, and it creates a paradox. It is not a theory of science. Im a BM wrote: Metals are not organic. Ligand is not a chemical. Furthermore, the phenolic group is a REDUCING agent. It can turn insoluble ferric iron(III) into soluble and bioavailable ferrous iron(II). I can turn insoluble Mn(IV) manganese into soluble and bioavailable Mn(II) manganese. [/quote] A group is not a reducing agent. Chemistry is not buzzwords, Robert. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 04-03-2026 23:48 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Yes. It is copy and pasted. The words were already published here...by you. Stop spamming. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 21-03-2026 15:23 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: A group is not a reducing agent. Chemistry is not buzzwords, Robert.[/quote] "It is obvious you are a chemist." - Into the Night "Dawkins did not create the theory of natural selection." - Into the Night Two minutes out of every 24 hours, that broken clock is CORRECT! Yes, it is obvious that I am a chemist. And no, Dawkins did not create the theory of natural selection. Richard Dawkin's "genius" being referred to is regarding the "extended" phenotype. Darwin's theory of natural selection operates on the phenotype, which is the physical expression of the genotype. But it did not occur to Darwin to include things such as nest construction as part of the "phenotype" that natural selection would favor or not. Richard Dawkins coined the term "extended" phenotype. Decades later, I used his term in my own publications. GOOGLE FUN! Search terms for Google: "Richard Dawkins, Robert Northup, 'extended' phenotype" Six words total, including two names. Google gives a great answer! It starts off with a reference to Richard Dawkin's 1982 book, "The Extended Phenotype". It goes on to cover "key concepts", "examples", and "context". Then it goes on to "Connection to Northup" "Robert R. Northup is cited in literature discussing biogenic structure and biogeochemistry, sometimes appearing in studies that analyze how organisms modify their environments, which can be interpreted though the lens of the extended phenotype." And it IS "obvious" that he really IS a "chemist"! |
| 23-03-2026 05:16 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, Robert. You are not a chemist, no matter how you pretend to be. Im a BM wrote: Meh. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'biogenic structure' or 'biogeochemistry'. Buzzword fallacies. Im a BM wrote: You are no a chemist, no matter how you try to pretend, Robert. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 23-03-2026 18:12 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Don't you ever wish that YOU had ever done ANYTHING that actual scientists respect you and know your name for? You won't be remembered long after your passing if all you left behind are insults and unsupported contrarian assertions, under a fake name. Even at this website, your contributions are quite forgettable. In the real world, some might say that "You are a nothing". You should learn how to read, get hold of some textbooks and dictionaries, and find out what some of those "buzzwords" mean. It won't take long before you have some concept of what "climate" is. The fact that climate CAN and DOES change will ease you into being able to grasp the whole "climate change" concept. |
| 23-03-2026 19:57 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Im a BM wrote:Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Darwin versus Dawkins and the "extended" phenotype. There is no irrational paradox being argued regarding the history of evolutionary biology. Darwin and Dawkins were more than a century apart. Richard Dawkins did not pretend to discover natural selection. The "extended" phenotype helps fill in the big gap of Darwin's ignorance about genes. Perhaps Darwin should have tried to look up the genius Monk's paper about pea flowers to realize what the genotype was that created the phenotype for natural selection to operate on. Without knowing the genetic source of the phenotype, Darwin could not know that the phenotype would include EVERY impact that the genotype had in its interaction with the environment. Not a paradox or contradiction, but rather an EXTENSION of what the phenotype is understood to be. Known as the extended phenotype. Personally, I took it where neither Darwin or Dawkins had contemplated to the impact on soil chemistry and nutrient cycling. It is part of the pine's extended phenotype to tie up the organic nitrogen contained in its litter with tannins that prevent nitrogen mineralization. In vicious competition for limited resources, plants fight dirty, using chemical warfare if they have to. There is more than one way to kill a competitor. Hog up the resources they can't live without - shade them out of the sunlight, beat them to the punch to get roots where the nutrients are, starve them out or even just poison them if you can. Pines partner with a fungus on their roots to monopolize the nitrogen supply, making this limiting resource inaccessible to their competitors. The mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle is short circuited, as nitrogen from the decomposing litter is passed to the plant in ORGANIC form by its mycorrhizal fungi partner. Provided with carbohydrates from the plant root, the fungi makes the rare enzyme that can mobilize organic nitrogen from protein-tannin complexes. Did I mention that we developed a whole new laboratory test method to measure the organic nitrogen, which has now replaced the classic Kjeldahl digest as the preferred method? Because there IS such a thing as "organic nitrogen", and it turns out to be a very important in plant nutrition and ecosystem nutrient fluxes. Into the Night, please stop pretending to understand enough chemistry to know how to rebut ANYTHING I say. All you've got is "science is NOT blah blah blah.." and "blah blah blah is not a chemical". Other than "hygroscopic", are there ANY science terms that you acknowledge as more than meaningless "buzzwords"? It is EASY to look up the definition of "organic nitrogen", for anyone who wants to do a reality check. Like "biogeochemistry", "organic nitrogen" really DOES exist as a defined term. And SOMEONE really does view this website, while almost none post here. |
| 24-03-2026 00:00 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote:Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: No dictionary defines any word, Robert. Your buzzwords are not science. Science is not buzzwords. Climate cannot change. Go learn English. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 24-03-2026 00:11 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Denying your paradox does not clear your paradox, Robert. Im a BM wrote: 'Natural selection' was not discovered. It was made up. It is not a theory of science. It is not a theory at all. It forms a paradox. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'extended phenotype', Robert. Buzzword fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Neither Darwin nor Dawkins were chemists. Neither are you. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Nitrogen is not a mineral. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. There is no such thing as 'ecosystem nutrient fluxes'. Buzzword fallacy. Im a BM wrote: You aren't talking about chemistry. You deny chemistry. You think buzzwords are chemistry. Im a BM wrote: Science isn't terms. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Go learn what 'real' means. Im a BM wrote: Guess they got tire of looking at your spam. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 25-03-2026 19:37 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Not ALL nitrogen is organic. Most nitrogen atoms on earth are NOT contained in organic nitrogen form. N2 gas, ammonia, ammonium, nitrate, and nitrite are all INORGANIC forms of nitrogen. Organic nitrogen is a nitrogen atom attached to an atom of organic CARBON. Amino acids, for example. The amino nitrogen is bonded to organic carbon. The Kjeldahl digest is a very old laboratory method for total nitrogen. It can be used to assess organic nitrogen by subtraction, with measured values for mineral nitrogen (NH3, NH4+, NO2-, NO3-, N2)) known from the same sample. Persulfate is the name of an anion. Potassium persulfate is the name of a chemical. Chemists save a lot of time by just giving the name of the anion alone, since it is the "chemical" of interest. Sodium persulfate oxidizes organic nitrogen just as well as potassium persulfate. It is enough to say "persulfate" and chemists know you are talking about the persulfate anion. Therefore, the title of our 1994 paper on the subject: "Determination of dissolved organic nitrogen using persulfate oxidation..." I (we) developed a better laboratory method to measure organic nitrogen. Faster, safer, cheaper, and more accurate than the Kjeldahl digest. The paper title doesn't specify potassium persulfate, the complete CHEMICAL name, because potassium is just a "spectator" ion in the reaction. It wouldn't matter if it was lithium persulfate, calcium persulfate, sodium persulfate... The oxidant is the persulfate anion. That's the one you need to name for the "chemical" of interest. Water chemistry involves a lot of analysis for anions. Very rarely will a water chemist bother to specify "the fluoride anion". They usually just say "fluoride". Chemists are well aware that fluoride, per se, is NOT a "chemical". But they still understand each other perfectly when they refer to "fluoride" in water, using just that one single word to identify it. Even if Into the Night doesn't have a clue what the "buzzwords" mean. If you just Google the terms "Northup and persulfate" you can find the paper and see a little about the history of analytical lab method development. Or just insist that there is NO SUCH THING. Because "persulfate is not a chemical". But persulfate oxidation IS now the preferred method for measuring organic nitrogen. Using something that is "not a chemical" to measure something that doesn't even exist! Obviously, I DENY SCIENCE! Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Edited on 25-03-2026 19:50 |
| 26-03-2026 17:59 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Ammonia is not nitrogen. Ammonium is not a chemical. Nitrate is not a chemical. Nitrite is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Carbon is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Carbon is not organic. Amino nitrogen is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Nitrogen is not a mineral. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Nitrogen is not organic. Potassium persulfate is not sodium persulfate. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Fluoride is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: You don't get so speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Obviously. You deny chemistry as well. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 26-03-2026 19:19 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Confession: In 1993, as Zengshou Yu and I worked out the bugs for persulfate oxidation of organic nitrogen (which we published in 1994), we were unaware that another team had submitted what turns out to be the FIRST one to share a version of the new method. M.L. Cabrera and M.H. Beare. 1993. Alkaline persulphate oxidation for determining total nitrogen in microbial extracts. Soil Science Society of America Journal, volume 57, pages 1007-1112. Notice that they, too, merely say "persulfate" without giving the complete name of a "chemical". That is common in chemistry. The cation that accompanies persulfate going into the reaction is hardly relevant. It is enough to identify "persulfate" or "persulphate" as the Brits who authored the paper put it. As we did, they happened to use POTASSIUM persulfate. But the results would have been the same if it has been persulfate of lithium, sodium, calcium, magnesium, or one of many other cations that could come along with the persulfate. So, I confess we were not the VERY first to employ persulfate oxidation to measure organic nitrogen and publish the method. We didn't know it until our paper was already submitted that Cabrera and Beare beat us to it. We were NOT the first chemists to realize that ORGANIC NITROGEN is real. Nor were we the first chemists to discover that it is much easier to communicate if you simply give the first name of the ion you care about, and don't spell out a complete chemical name for the salt, acid, or base every time. SO WHAT if persulfate is, technically, "not a chemical"? The chemical behavior of the persulfate anion in the oxidation of organic compounds does not care if Into the Night recognizes persulfate as a "chemical". Edited on 26-03-2026 19:23 |
| 27-03-2026 18:38 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Buzzwords are not common chemistry. You deny chemistry. Persulfate is not a chemical. Persulphate is not a chemical. Chemistry is not a paper, magazine, book, journal, pamphlete, or website. Im a BM wrote: Potassium persulfate is not lithium, sodium, calcium, or magnesium. Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen it not organic. You are not a chemist. Im a BM wrote: You are not a chemist. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. It is not oxygen. Nitrogen is not a compound. Buzzword fallacies. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 27-03-2026 18:41 |
| 27-03-2026 19:13 | |
IBdaMann ★★★★★(15187) |
Im a BM wrote: Notice that they, too, merely say "persulfate" without giving the complete name of a "chemical". If you had actually been a chemist, you would have known that "persulfate" is a category (or class), so of course only the name of the category would be used to refer to the category. Hypothetically, if you were to learn to become a chemist, for example, you would learn about "categories" and "classification", and you would learn the difference between a category and a chemical. They aren't the same thing. Really. That is common in chemistry. The cation that accompanies persulfate going into the reaction is hardly relevant. It is enough to identify the persulfate category when discussing persulfates. If you wish to specify a particular chemical, however, you have to list the cation. Im a BM wrote:As we did, they happened to use POTASSIUM persulfate. Potassium persulfate is a chemical in the persulfate category. Any chemist can confirm this for you. Im a BM wrote: We were NOT the first chemists to realize that ORGANIC NITROGEN is real. There are no differences between nitrogen atoms. They are all identical. Any chemist can confirm this for you. Im a BM wrote: Nor were we the first chemists to discover that it is much easier to [gibber rather than to write clearly] Many people prior have discovered the ease of gibber-babble. Im a BM wrote:SO WHAT if persulfate is, technically, "not a chemical"? It renders everything you say about it being a chemical FALSE, and it reveals that you don't know about what you are pretending to speak. The chemical behavior of the persulfate anion is nonexistant because the persulfate category is a category and not a chemical with behavior. Edited on 27-03-2026 19:16 |
| 27-03-2026 19:34 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Notice that they, too, merely say "persulfate" without giving the complete name of a "chemical". Similar to Into the Night, IBdaMann is delusional enough to believe his comprehension of chemistry is somehow superior to others who actually studied the subject in a manner that society recognizes as conferring expertise. IBdaMann, do you think YOU are a "chemist"? Your attempt at chemical-sounding gibber babble fails on multiple levels. Chemistry is not a word game. I would say that you fit the description of a scientificallly illiterate troll who knows only how to play word games between insults. Gone for more than a month... Can we expect more cameos? |
| 27-03-2026 20:38 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: You don't have to acknowledge the persulfate anion, with its unique chemical formula and structure, as an individual "chemical" if this is offensive to your religion. Would you have more to say if my chemistry laboratory method, published and widely cited, employed by many chemists now had been titled "Determination of dissolved organic nitrogen using persulfate anion oxidation.."? To respond "persulfate is not a chemical" would be irrelevant. The title specifically would identify the persulfate ANION as the terminal electron acceptor for the oxidation reaction. You can still insist that there is NO SUCH THING as "organic nitrogen" |
| 28-03-2026 12:45 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (15187) |
IBdaMann wrote: Hypothetically, if you were to learn to become a chemist, for example, you would learn about "categories" and "classification", and you would learn the difference between a category and a chemical. They aren't the same thing. Really. Im a BM wrote: Your attempt at chemical-sounding gibber babble fails on multiple levels. Chemistry is not a word game. I would say that you fit the description of a scientificallly illiterate troll who knows only how to play word games between insults. Well, there you have it. If anyone ever wondered whether you might have actually had some understanding of science or whether you were bluffing the whole time, he certainly has his answer now. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 28-03-2026 18:04 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Notice that they, too, merely say "persulfate" without giving the complete name of a "chemical". It is quite relevant. Depending on the cation, the behavior of the chemical changes quite a lot, affecting it's ability to absorb water, the heat of dissociation, etc. IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote:As we did, they happened to use POTASSIUM persulfate. Other than different isotopes, of course. Nitrogen has two stable isotopes and a few radioactive ones. As always, they differ in the number of neutrons in the atom. Chemically, of course, they all behave identically in reactions involving nitrogen. In no case is nitrogen organic, as this twit keeps suggesting. IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Nor were we the first chemists to discover that it is much easier to [gibber rather than to write clearly] Absolutely. Robert is not the first or the last to use gibber-babble to 'look smart'. He also, of course, uses this to try to justify 'climate change', even though climate cannot change. THAT gibber-babble phrase is just the usual Church of Global Warming bullshit. Robert has already demonstrated that he doesn't recognize the 1st law of thermodynamics. It's difficult to see much of the time, because he couches it in huge mounds of gibber-babble; but it's there. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 28-03-2026 18:15 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not 'society', or a 'confirmation'. It is quite obvious that IBdaMann knows both science AND chemistry better than you do! Im a BM wrote: Irrelevant. You are NOT a chemist. Chemistry is not gibber-babble and buzzwords. Im a BM wrote: You are describing yourself, Robert. Inversion fallacy. Im a BM wrote: More whining. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 28-03-2026 18:22 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy. Chemistry is not a paper, laboratory, method, cite, book, pamphlet, website, class, degree, license, or any other sanctification. Chemistry does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in chemistry. Nitrogen is not organic. Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: It is very relevant, Robert. Persulfate is not a chemical. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. There is no such thing as a 'terminal electron acceptor'. You can't oxidize anything with a buzzword. Im a BM wrote: There isn't, Robert. Nitrogen is not organic. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 28-03-2026 18:23 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
IBdaMann wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Hypothetically, if you were to learn to become a chemist, for example, you would learn about "categories" and "classification", and you would learn the difference between a category and a chemical. They aren't the same thing. Really. I suppose it depends on how biased that individual is. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 28-03-2026 18:51 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:IBdaMann wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Hypothetically, if you were to learn to become a chemist, for example, you would learn about "categories" and "classification", and you would learn the difference between a category and a chemical. They aren't the same thing. Really. Some scientists are so "biased" that they believe climate CAN change, and it IS possible to discern what happened in the past based on modern day evidence. Among such scientists, a discussion of "climate change" can get beyond a demand for a "unambiguous definition" of the term that doesn't violate some anti scientific interpretation of thermodynamics. IBdaMann has got ITN's back on this one. He once wrote the sentence "Carbonate is not a chemical" TWO HUNDRED TIMES in a row (not copy pasting, all free hand) to support ITN's "chemistry". The carbonate ion is usually referred to simply as "carbonate" in discussion of solutes in water chemistry. The capacity of the persulfate anion to behave as an oxidant terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon other organic forms of elements such as nitrogen is ALMOST independent of the associated cation. One notable exception would be ammonium persulfate. You won't find it for sale in a chemical catalog because it is self destructive. All it leaves behind is nitric or nitrous acid. The ammonium, a chemically reduced form of nitrogen, gets oxidized by the persulfate anion to nitric acid and nitrous acid. Maybe I'm not really a "chemist", but a lot of chemists employ the laboratory procedure I invented. Got the idea from the Dohrman organic carbon analyzer in our lab. Cabrera and Beare came up with the same idea just ahead of us. Go back and see if you can find anyone besides Cabrera and Beare who came up with a persulfate oxidation method for organic nitrogen analysis before we published it in 1994. Have fun with Google! Enter search terms such as "Northup and persulfate", "Northup and organic nitrogen" or "Northup and organic carbon" in Google. These "meaningless buzzwords" have been taken seriously by a lot of published academics who actually have earned the right to be called "chemists". |
| 29-03-2026 00:25 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
IBdaMann wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Hypothetically, if you were to learn to become a chemist, for example, you would learn about "categories" and "classification", and you would learn the difference between a category and a chemical. They aren't the same thing. Really. Three for comparison: IBdaMann, Into the Night, and myself. One of these things is not like the others. Only one of the three has advanced degrees for the study of chemistry from any prestigious universities. Only one of the three was even competent enough to pass ANY college level chemistry classes. Only one of the three ever TAUGHT chemistry at college. Only one of the three ever published any chemistry discoveries in prestigious journals. Only one of the three ever developed and published any new analytical methods for chemistry. Only one of the three ever served as a reviewer for multiple peer reviewed scientific journals. Only one of the three seems to understand that being a "chemist" isn't a question of how you FEEL about yourself. Society has some pretty rigid standards for who they agree is a "chemist". |
| 29-03-2026 06:25 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Climate cannot change. Go learn English. Im a BM wrote: Science isn't history. Go learn English. Im a BM wrote: Climate cannot change. Science is not interpretation. The laws of thermodynamics are theories of science. Im a BM wrote: Carbonate is not a chemical. Water is not chemistry. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. There is no such thing as a 'terminal electron acceptor'. Carbon is not organic. Carbon is not nitrogen. Im a BM wrote: Ammonium persulfate is not self destructive. Ammonium persulfate does not get oxidized. It is an oxidizer. It is commonly used in industry as a mordant. https://www.amazon.com/Ammonium-Persulfate-Powder-Space-Saver-Bottle/dp/B00XJDQUIG Im a BM wrote: You are not a chemist. Chemistry is not a laboratory. It does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in chemistry. Carbon is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. No such 'analysis'. Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Nitrogen is not organic. Carbon is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a paper, book, college, school, degree, right, or any other sanctification. Chemistry does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in chemistry. Buzzword fallacies. Chemistry is not gibber-babble. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 29-03-2026 06:34 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Correct. Only YOU deny science and chemistry. You think they are made up of magick buzzwords...what IBdaMann calls 'gibber-babble'. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a degree, university, college, government agency, license, or any other sanctification. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a college, classroom, or 'competency'. Im a BM wrote: You deny chemistry. You deny science. You are unable to teach chemistry to anyone. You don't understand it and deny it's basic principles. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a journal or magazine. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a publishment. It is not a paper, book, magazine, journal, pamphlet, or website. Im a BM wrote: Science is not a journal. It does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science. Im a BM wrote: Nope. Two of the three. You are all about how you feel about yourself. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a standard. It is not a society blessing or sanctification. There is no voting bloc in chemistry. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 30-03-2026 06:14 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (15187) |
Im a BM wrote: Some scientists are so "biased" that they believe climate CAN change, Those people aren't scientists. They are political hacks, cosplaying actual scientists. When they aren't cosplaying scientists, they cosplay actual economists. Im a BM wrote: ... and it IS possible to discern what happened in the past based on modern day evidence. Nope. If you understood anything about science, you would know how stupid that statement is. You are committing an omniscience fallacy by imagining that your speculation is somehow absolute truth. If you understood science to any degree, you would know that the scientific method demands direct verification, i.e. a time machine to verify the hypothesis. Being the interested layman that you are, I wouldn't expect you to know any of this. Im a BM wrote: Among such [fanatical cosplayers], a [fantasy] of "climate change" [requires no] "unambiguous definition" of the term that [merely enhances the religious fantasy]. I get it. Enjoy your fantasy. Perhaps afterwards, you and your friends can play "fort". Im a BM wrote:IBdaMann has got ITN's back on this one. Into the Night doesn't need anyone to "have his back" while correctly specifying that categories and classifications are categories and classifications. Im a BM wrote: The carbonate ion is usually referred to simply as "carbonate" in discussions of [cosplayers who don't know what they are talking about]. That's what I've been saying. Im a BM wrote: The capacity of the persulfate anion to behave as an oxidant terminal electron acceptor to oxidize organic carbon other organic forms of elements such as nitrogen is ALMOST independent of the associated cation. The technical terminology for something that behaves almost independent of an associated cation is "does not behave independently of the associated cation." Im a BM wrote: One notable exception would be ammonium persulfate. FYI, ammonium persulfate is a chemical, by the way, of the persulfate class. The existence of an exception means that there is no rule. Im a BM wrote: Maybe I'm not really a "chemist", but a lot of chemists employ the laboratory procedure I invented. I can confirm that you aren't a chemist, if you need someone to vouch for you. Im a BM wrote: Got the idea from the Dohrman organic carbon analyzer in our lab. Cabrera and Beare came up with the same idea just ahead of us. Maybe they should have asked a chemist if there are actually differences between nitrogen atoms. Im a BM wrote:Enter search terms such as "Northup and persulfate", "Northup and organic nitrogen" or "Northup and organic carbon" in Google. What the searches actually reveal 1. Northup + persulfate No relevant scientific or scholarly results surfaced connecting anyone named Northup to persulfate chemistry. The hits were generic SDS sheets and supplier pages for ammonium and sodium persulfate, not authored by or associated with a Northup. 2. Northup + organic nitrogen Search results returned commercial fertilizer listings, not scientific publications, and none were authored by or associated with a Northup. 3. Northup + organic carbon Here we do get legitimate scientific hits — but they concern soil carbon, agricultural emissions, and carbon storage, not persulfate chemistry. Two distinct researchers named Northup appear: * Daniel L. Northrup Co‑author on papers about agricultural emissions, soil carbon storage, and negative‑emissions farming systems. These works involve carbon cycling, soil carbon, and nitrogen fertilizer efficiency, but not persulfates. * Brian K. Northup Co‑author on a study of soil organic matter and soil carbon distribution in Oklahoma. Again: carbon, nitrogen, soil ecology — no persulfate chemistry. The Correct Synthesis There is no known connection between any researcher named Northup and persulfate chemistry. There are Northups working in: * soil carbon * soil organic matter * agricultural emissions * nitrogen fertilizer efficiency But none of these intersect with persulfate chemistry, persulfate oxidation, or persulfate analytical methods. So the namespace mapping looks like this: Persulfate Namespace No Northup present. Organic Nitrogen / Organic Carbon (Soil Science) Namespace Daniel L. Northrup → agricultural emissions, soil carbon Brian K. Northup → soil organic matter, carbon distribution Im a BM wrote:These "meaningless buzzwords" have been taken seriously by a lot of published academics who actually have earned the right to be called "chemists". "Published Academics" occupy the bottom of the credibility food chain. Talk about cosplayers! If they really want to be taken seriously, they need to get the hell out of academia and get into the real world of results-driven industry. |
| 30-03-2026 15:44 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
IBdaMann wrote:Im a BM wrote: Some scientists are so "biased" that they believe climate CAN change, I invite ANYONE to fact check IBdaMann's claims. Get into Google with three different search terms. "Northup and persulfate", "Northup and organic nitrogen" and "Northup and organic carbon". IBdaMann didn't seem to see the main part of Google's answers, which refer directly to my own publications. And verify that a LOT of scientists seem to believe in "organic nitrogen" and "organic carbon". "Northup and persulfate", the first two references on the list are my own publication on the subject, although Zengshou Yu was first author, I'm there too. The next six references Google lists are more recent papers that reference our 1994 paper. "Northup and organic nitrogen", I proudly invite others to take the challenge. It begins with Google's OWN answer in the upper left. "Robert Northup, a biogeochemist, discovered that plants in nutrient poor ecosystems such as the pygmy forest, use polyphenols in tannins to bind organic nitrogen in litter, protecting it from loss, and enabling direct uptake via mycorrhizal fungi. This research suggests that plants can 'short circuit' the nitrogen cycle, using dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) directly, instead of waiting for it to convert to inorganic forms." Google's excellent answer continues with a lot more detail. Either IBdaMann is INCREDIBLY dishonest, pretending he didn't even see it, or his research skills are so lacking he couldn't even find it. I am impressed by the quality of Google AI on this one. Very nice answer. Google agrees with all the scientists that "organic nitrogen" is very real. It even points out that scientists like to save time by just writing "DON" instead of "dissolved organic nitrogen". I could go on to "Northup and organic carbon", and I hope others will. Google confirms that "organic carbon" is a REAL thing that scientists distinguish, because the distinction is very important to those who understand chemistry. But if others do no more, just Google "Northup and organic nitrogen" to see how comprehensive Google's answer is, and how DISHONEST IBdaMann is about it. Check for yourself! Or just believe a scientifically illiterate troll who used to lead a whole gang of trolls at a dead website. Google knows a LOT more about these things than IBdaMann. And GOOGLE identifies me by name as a "biogeochemist". Apparently, Google believes that there IS such a thing as "biogeochemistry". It kind of makes it sound like I am recognized as some kind of "chemist". Additional edit: Google's "Northup and organic nitrogen" AI answer, shown in the upper left of search results, also has a PHOTO of me from 35 years ago. On the right hand side of Google's AI answer are a couple of articles ("Pygmy forest reveals new secrets about the nitrogen cycle.." and "I Slick thinking - Nature"). Open the "..Slick thinking.." one to get the whole article - "New cog in the nitrogen cycle". Oops... Google screwed this one up and only has the SECOND page of the article. Well, at least it's the page with my photo! "Go and learn some science." - IBdaMann Edited on 30-03-2026 16:14 |
| 31-03-2026 21:48 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Persulfate is not a chemical. Nitrogen is not organic. Carbon is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Science does not use consensus. Nitrogen is not organic. Carbon is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. Google is not all scientists. Science does not use consensus. Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Carbon is not organic. You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy. You deny chemistry. Im a BM wrote: Google isn't sentient. You are not Google. Nitrogen is not organic. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. It does not know anything. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Buzzword fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. It has no beliefs. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. It does not recognize anything. Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Google is not sentient. Im a BM wrote: Google is not sentient. It does not 'screw up'. Im a BM wrote: You really should take his advice, but I know you won't. Your belief in the Church of Global Warming prevents you from doing so. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 01-04-2026 22:16 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: Are you delusional enough to believe you know more about organic nitrogen than I do? Are you delusional enough to believe that anyone recognizes your authority to unilaterally declare that there is simply "no such thing" as organic nitrogen? Are you delusional enough to believe you are a "chemist"? Google may not be "sentient", but it provides accurate references to "organic nitrogen" that prove Into the Night's assertion of its non-existence is ABSURD. |
| 01-04-2026 22:19 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (24035) |
Im a BM wrote: Nitrogen is not organic. Google is not sentient. Google is not a proof. Attempted proof by Holy Link. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 01-04-2026 22:19 |
| 02-04-2026 01:37 | |
| Im a BM★★★★★ (3471) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: This is much briefer than most of your posts, but it follows the same format as the rest. Three out of four statements = SOMETHING IS NOT SOMETHING ELSE Does this display insight? Science is not a journal. Carbonate is not a chemical. Iron is not arsenic. Really? So, what else is new? Most nitrogen atoms on Earth are NOT organic. The N2 nitrogen gas in the atmosphere contains no nitrogen atoms bonded to organic carbon. The dissolved NH4+ ammonium nitrogen or NO3- nitrate nitrogen in the soil and water contains no N atoms bonded to organic C. Proteins and amino acids contain amino nitrogen that IS bonded to organic carbon atoms. That nitrogen is ORGANIC NITROGEN. The dictionaries, search engines, and scientific textbooks out vote ITN by about 1000:1 Take the Organic Nitrogen Challenge! Check a dictionary, search engine, or textbook to see if they disagree with ITN and make a whole lot of references to "organic nitrogen", in the understanding that it REALLY DOES EXIST. |
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