Demonstration of radical climate change

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. https://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#20
It's purpose is to demonstrate how the earth has changed over millions of years. You can look up any city on the map and see how the world around it was in past ages. An area I live was under water as recently as 20 million years ago.

Whether the graphic is totally accurate or not, it gave me some perspective on how radical the world has changed and how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate.

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. https://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#20
It's purpose is to demonstrate how the earth has changed over millions of years. You can look up any city on the map and see how the world around it was in past ages. An area I live was under water as recently as 20 million years ago.

Whether the graphic is totally accurate or not, it gave me some perspective on how radical the world has changed and how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate.

One other thing I noticed was the percentage of land mass seemed to be less and less the older the planet was. So, either the sum of water has decreased or land mass been created from within the crust of the earth in addition to the movement of tectonic plates.

gfm7175 wrote:
Why do we need to understand a meaningless buzzword?


You know what Harry and James, I say we need to understand gooblewobbers, as gooblewobbers are the key to solving climate forcings. Too bad slabblewicking is negatively affecting the gooblewobbers due to our increased levels of beef consumption... STOP EATING BEEF!!! SAVE THE GOOBLEWOBBERS!!!

GasGuzzler wrote: I'm trying to be the best climate steward I can be. Can I find slabblewicking in the manual? Please?
Ooops. Slaebblewicking.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Why do we need to understand a meaningless buzzword?


You know what Harry and James, I say we need to understand gooblewobbers, as gooblewobbers are the key to solving climate forcings. Too bad slabblewicking is negatively affecting the gooblewobbers due to our increased levels of beef consumption... STOP EATING BEEF!!! SAVE THE GOOBLEWOBBERS!!!

You misspelled "slaebblewicking." You used the Wikipedia spelling.


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gfm7175 wrote:
Why do we need to understand a meaningless buzzword?


You know what Harry and James, I say we need to understand gooblewobbers, as gooblewobbers are the key to solving climate forcings. Too bad slabblewicking is negatively affecting the gooblewobbers due to our increased levels of beef consumption... STOP EATING BEEF!!! SAVE THE GOOBLEWOBBERS!!!

IBdaMann wrote:

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. https://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#20
It's purpose is to demonstrate how the earth has changed over millions of years. You can look up any city on the map and see how the world around it was in past ages. An area I live was under water as recently as 20 million years ago.

Whether the graphic is totally accurate or not, it gave me some perspective on how radical the world has changed and how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate.

Are you here to finally give us a formal, unambiguous definition of "Climate" or are are we to presume that you have no real point about an empty buzzword?


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Harry C wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. https://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#20
It's purpose is to demonstrate how the earth has changed over millions of years. You can look up any city on the map and see how the world around it was in past ages. An area I live was under water as recently as 20 million years ago.

Whether the graphic is totally accurate or not, it gave me some perspective on how radical the world has changed and how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate.

Are you here to finally give us a formal, unambiguous definition of "Climate" or are are we to presume that you have no real point about an empty buzzword?


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Is there a word other than "climate" that I should use to suit your sensibilities in order to add emphasis to the radical change that the earth has gone through over time to make the point I was trying to make? I will gladly accept the substitution.

I thought it might help others who are lesser informed, such as myself, to realize the vanity of the pro-climate change/global warming alarmist, of which I am not one.

Harry C wrote: Is there a word other than "climate" that I should use to suit your sensibilities in order to add emphasis to the radical change that the earth has gone through over time to make the point I was trying to make?

James___ wrote: So you agree with IBDM, right?

James___ wrote: The US is starting to do that in support of the EU's carbon neutral policy.

James___ wrote: But for our own internal affairs, we just don't give a shїt.

James___ wrote:
So you agree with IBDM, right? After all,you're not concerned with environmental practices or that over 7 Billion people live on the planet today.
It's interesting. One area between Adelaide and Canberra is a renewable forest.
They limit logging to what is a sustainable output so it will always be a source of wood and the products that come from it. The US is starting to do that in support of the EU's carbon neutral policy. But for our own internal affairs, we just don't give a shїt.
That's capitalism in a nutshell.

duncan61 wrote:
Harry C makes a clear position yet you feel you have to disect his post that has 2 points
.The Earth has been changing for ever
.He does not subscribe to AGW/CC
If I can work that out it should not be that hard.Are you sure you are not slaebblewicking

Harry C wrote:

James___ wrote:
So you agree with IBDM, right? After all,you're not concerned with environmental practices or that over 7 Billion people live on the planet today.
It's interesting. One area between Adelaide and Canberra is a renewable forest.
They limit logging to what is a sustainable output so it will always be a source of wood and the products that come from it. The US is starting to do that in support of the EU's carbon neutral policy. But for our own internal affairs, we just don't give a shїt.
That's capitalism in a nutshell.

I don't know what I would be agreeing with. I thought some may be interested in seeing a graphic representation of how much the surface of the earth and position of land masses have changed over time. I had no idea.

Um yes I care. I used to be in the environmental business as a support services to refineries. I had a chemical compound that would phase separate oil from water that was very popular for process unit decontamination. I even tried to get it approved to assist clean up with the BP offshore oil spill (procurement was rigged).

I'm not a narcissist. I am concerned about the sustainability of earth. However, if half the land mass can disappear in the future (not because of global warming) it seems futile to believe that we have a responsibility to protect that which cannot be protected.

Perhaps our duty is to take care of each other for the time we are here and let cosmic forces take care of the rest.

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. ...how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate...

tgoebbles wrote:I'm curious why you think it's "naive" to measure the Earth today? That seems to imply it can't be done or is pointless.

IBdaMann wrote:

tgoebbles wrote:I'm curious why you think it's "naive" to measure the Earth today? That seems to imply it can't be done or is pointless.

He probably notices how no human has been able to successfully express any manner the earth's average global temperature can be measured to any usable margin of error. He probably noticed how you bungled all attempts to present a coherent and rational statement on the matter. He probably connected the dots and saw how everything you preach leads to an attempt to get others to deny thermodynamics. He probably noticed that everything you preach is based on your belief that thermal energy can flow from cooler to warmer. He probably noticed that your ravings inevitably require you to pretend that you are omniscient, that you just know the temperature of Venus because some probes were destroyed there and that you "know" temperatures of vast atmospheric volumes from just one point of measurement ... which you call a "range." He probably saw the toll your crusade has taken on your brain and thought "Man, I don't even want to go there!"


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tmiddles wrote:

Harry C wrote:
I discovered this website the other day. ...how naive we are about measuring, much less controlling climate...

That website is super cool. I agree that while it's of course not going to be totally accurate about the precise changes in which million year span it's a very useful in giving a sense of the scale of changes.

I'm curious why you think it's "naive" to measure the Earth today? That seems to imply it can't be done or is pointless. I don't follow how that stems from considering the dramatic changes on Earth over hundreds of millions of years.

tmiddles wrote:
The point I think I agree with you on is that the site accurately communicates the "Massive Freight Train" that determines the Earths environment and that if a case is to be made for altering the course of that train, AGW being the topic here of course, then it needs to address the fact that the Earth is "Doing it's thing" already with considerable momentum.