DC jet hits helicopter drone and crashes

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

Into the Night wrote:
The unfortunate crash of the airline and the blackhawk helicopter may have been the result of an ATC failure, even though the blackhawk was operating under VFR at the time (they were in contact with ATC).

Both operators of ATC were in the airport tower, in a radar room located just below the main observation deck. This darkened room is more conducive to the radar displays. The main observation deck is mostly used by clearance and ground controllers, and an air controller handling VFR traffic landing or taking off from DCA.

The helicopter was using a normal route assigned for helicopter traffic, and was on a training flight (a qualification flight). The certifying instructor had over 1000 hours in that make and model.

ATC was aware of both flights. The airline was on an instrument approach to runway 33 at DCA, and was on the final approach phase, when the crew is most busy, and focused on the runway ahead of them and their instruments, rather than scanning the area for traffic. The airline had priority of that airspace.

The blackhawk pilot entered controlled airspace of DCA. Normal procedure is to reduce altitude there, to reduce traffic conflicts in and out of DCA, which has almost continuous traffic arriving and departing.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning of the approaching airliner. The airliner DID have his landing lights on, shining almost directly at the helicopter. BOTH aircraft had their anticollision beacons on, but in the cityscape of the area, these beacons blend into the background quite easily, which is why landing lights should be used anywhere in the area (the blackhawk didn't have any landing lights on!). These are bright, like headlights.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning to the airliner of the helicopter in the area. It DID query the helicopter if it could see the 'traffic', but gave no direction reference for it. The helicopter pilot reported seeing the 'traffic' which was a DIFFERENT airliner taking off at the time.

Due to the failure of ATC to issue proper traffic warnings, neither pilot was aware of the other aircraft until it was too late.

The helicopter pilot was operating VFR, see and avoid. He should have at least been aware of the approaching landing lights from the airliner, but was probably busy with scanning with ATC and perhaps some conversation with the instructor at the time.

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft. Both aircraft disintegrated and fell into the Potomic river below. There were no survivors from either aircraft. The explosion probably was a result of a ruptured fuel tank, probably ignited by the shearing metal.

There was no 'orb'. Landing lights can look like an 'orb' of sorts in camera lenses. There was another light behind the crash site mounted on a pole in the background. This may be the so-called 'orb' referred to by Spongy.

Both ATC operators involved were immediately decertified. This happens anytime there is a 'deal' like this, as they call such an accident. Both operators now face a year of investigations by the NTSB and the FAA, and both must live for the rest of their lives with the realization that 60+ lives were lost under their control.

Ever wonder why ATC operators can get so messed up?

DCA is no picnic for ATC operators. This is a VERY difficult airspace to handle. Only the best of the best ever make it to get certified for such a position.

The NTSB will determine the cause(s) of the crash. They aren't fast, but they are thorough. The investigation usually takes about a year. Trump has promised to aid them in conducting their investigation however he can.

An ATC procedure problem? Configuration of traffic patterns in the area? Errors by ATC operator(s) itself? Distracted pilots? Too much familiarity by personnel involved and assuming too much? ALL are factors to consider here.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

So as I said the Blackhawk was not under Army air traffic control but was warned by the civilian controller. That said I have seen a new video that clearly shows that the mentioned helicopter was not there and that the jet was hit by a cigar or a tic tac.

Seconds 43 to 47 shows that the jet was not hit by a helicopter of any type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nybl8hfX4&t=11s

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

So as I said the Blackhawk was not under Army air traffic control but was warned by the civilian controller. That said I have seen a new video that clearly shows that the mentioned helicopter was not there and that the jet was hit by a cigar or a tic tac.

Seconds 43 to 47 shows that the jet was not hit by a helicopter of any type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nybl8hfX4&t=11s

The lights look blurry captured by cameras at night. But this is clearly not a UFO hitting a commercial airliner.

That said, that video removes all doubt this may have been an accident.

There is no way the pilot of the Blackhawk was ignorant of his or her actions IMO (has the pilot been ID'd?)

And no, the lights don't blend into the night sky ITN. Look!



I'm calling it a suicide bomber. That there are reports the Blackhawk took off from a Saudi diplomat's residence is further confirmation, as all the 9/11 suicide bombers appeared to be sponsored by Saudi diplomats too.

I think this is an example of one or more religious nutcases. There will not be 144,000 virgins waiting for him, her, or them in Heaven.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

So as I said the Blackhawk was not under Army air traffic control but was warned by the civilian controller. That said I have seen a new video that clearly shows that the mentioned helicopter was not there and that the jet was hit by a cigar or a tic tac.

Seconds 43 to 47 shows that the jet was not hit by a helicopter of any type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nybl8hfX4&t=11s

The lights look blurry captured by cameras at night. But this is clearly not a UFO hitting a commercial airliner.

That said, that video removes all doubt this may have been an accident.

There is no way the pilot of the Blackhawk was ignorant of his or her actions IMO (has the pilot been ID'd?)

And no, the lights don't blend into the night sky ITN. Look!



I'm calling it a suicide bomber. That there are reports the Blackhawk took off from a Saudi diplomat's residence is further confirmation, as all the 9/11 suicide bombers appeared to be sponsored by Saudi diplomats too.

I think this is an example of one or more religious nutcases. There will not be 144,000 virgins waiting for him, her, or them in Heaven.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

So as I said the Blackhawk was not under Army air traffic control but was warned by the civilian controller. That said I have seen a new video that clearly shows that the mentioned helicopter was not there and that the jet was hit by a cigar or a tic tac.

Seconds 43 to 47 shows that the jet was not hit by a helicopter of any type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nybl8hfX4&t=11s

The lights look blurry captured by cameras at night. But this is clearly not a UFO hitting a commercial airliner.

That said, that video removes all doubt this may have been an accident.

There is no way the pilot of the Blackhawk was ignorant of his or her actions IMO (has the pilot been ID'd?)

And no, the lights don't blend into the night sky ITN. Look!



I'm calling it a suicide bomber. That there are reports the Blackhawk took off from a Saudi diplomat's residence is further confirmation, as all the 9/11 suicide bombers appeared to be sponsored by Saudi diplomats too.

I think this is an example of one or more religious nutcases. There will not be 144,000 virgins waiting for him, her, or them in Heaven.

Into the Night wrote:
The unfortunate crash of the airline and the blackhawk helicopter may have been the result of an ATC failure, even though the blackhawk was operating under VFR at the time (they were in contact with ATC).

Both operators of ATC were in the airport tower, in a radar room located just below the main observation deck. This darkened room is more conducive to the radar displays. The main observation deck is mostly used by clearance and ground controllers, and an air controller handling VFR traffic landing or taking off from DCA.

The helicopter was using a normal route assigned for helicopter traffic, and was on a training flight (a qualification flight). The certifying instructor had over 1000 hours in that make and model.

ATC was aware of both flights. The airline was on an instrument approach to runway 33 at DCA, and was on the final approach phase, when the crew is most busy, and focused on the runway ahead of them and their instruments, rather than scanning the area for traffic. The airline had priority of that airspace.

The blackhawk pilot entered controlled airspace of DCA. Normal procedure is to reduce altitude there, to reduce traffic conflicts in and out of DCA, which has almost continuous traffic arriving and departing.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning of the approaching airliner. The airliner DID have his landing lights on, shining almost directly at the helicopter. BOTH aircraft had their anticollision beacons on, but in the cityscape of the area, these beacons blend into the background quite easily, which is why landing lights should be used anywhere in the area (the blackhawk didn't have any landing lights on!). These are bright, like headlights.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning to the airliner of the helicopter in the area. It DID query the helicopter if it could see the 'traffic', but gave no direction reference for it. The helicopter pilot reported seeing the 'traffic' which was a DIFFERENT airliner taking off at the time.

Due to the failure of ATC to issue proper traffic warnings, neither pilot was aware of the other aircraft until it was too late.

The helicopter pilot was operating VFR, see and avoid. He should have at least been aware of the approaching landing lights from the airliner, but was probably busy with scanning with ATC and perhaps some conversation with the instructor at the time.

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft. Both aircraft disintegrated and fell into the Potomic river below. There were no survivors from either aircraft. The explosion probably was a result of a ruptured fuel tank, probably ignited by the shearing metal.

There was no 'orb'. Landing lights can look like an 'orb' of sorts in camera lenses. There was another light behind the crash site mounted on a pole in the background. This may be the so-called 'orb' referred to by Spongy.

Both ATC operators involved were immediately decertified. This happens anytime there is a 'deal' like this, as they call such an accident. Both operators now face a year of investigations by the NTSB and the FAA, and both must live for the rest of their lives with the realization that 60+ lives were lost under their control.

Ever wonder why ATC operators can get so messed up?

DCA is no picnic for ATC operators. This is a VERY difficult airspace to handle. Only the best of the best ever make it to get certified for such a position.

The NTSB will determine the cause(s) of the crash. They aren't fast, but they are thorough. The investigation usually takes about a year. Trump has promised to aid them in conducting their investigation however he can.

An ATC procedure problem? Configuration of traffic patterns in the area? Errors by ATC operator(s) itself? Distracted pilots? Too much familiarity by personnel involved and assuming too much? ALL are factors to consider here.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
The unfortunate crash of the airline and the blackhawk helicopter may have been the result of an ATC failure, even though the blackhawk was operating under VFR at the time (they were in contact with ATC).

Both operators of ATC were in the airport tower, in a radar room located just below the main observation deck. This darkened room is more conducive to the radar displays. The main observation deck is mostly used by clearance and ground controllers, and an air controller handling VFR traffic landing or taking off from DCA.

The helicopter was using a normal route assigned for helicopter traffic, and was on a training flight (a qualification flight). The certifying instructor had over 1000 hours in that make and model.

ATC was aware of both flights. The airline was on an instrument approach to runway 33 at DCA, and was on the final approach phase, when the crew is most busy, and focused on the runway ahead of them and their instruments, rather than scanning the area for traffic. The airline had priority of that airspace.

The blackhawk pilot entered controlled airspace of DCA. Normal procedure is to reduce altitude there, to reduce traffic conflicts in and out of DCA, which has almost continuous traffic arriving and departing.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning of the approaching airliner. The airliner DID have his landing lights on, shining almost directly at the helicopter. BOTH aircraft had their anticollision beacons on, but in the cityscape of the area, these beacons blend into the background quite easily, which is why landing lights should be used anywhere in the area (the blackhawk didn't have any landing lights on!). These are bright, like headlights.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning to the airliner of the helicopter in the area. It DID query the helicopter if it could see the 'traffic', but gave no direction reference for it. The helicopter pilot reported seeing the 'traffic' which was a DIFFERENT airliner taking off at the time.

Due to the failure of ATC to issue proper traffic warnings, neither pilot was aware of the other aircraft until it was too late.

The helicopter pilot was operating VFR, see and avoid. He should have at least been aware of the approaching landing lights from the airliner, but was probably busy with scanning with ATC and perhaps some conversation with the instructor at the time.

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft. Both aircraft disintegrated and fell into the Potomic river below. There were no survivors from either aircraft. The explosion probably was a result of a ruptured fuel tank, probably ignited by the shearing metal.

There was no 'orb'. Landing lights can look like an 'orb' of sorts in camera lenses. There was another light behind the crash site mounted on a pole in the background. This may be the so-called 'orb' referred to by Spongy.

Both ATC operators involved were immediately decertified. This happens anytime there is a 'deal' like this, as they call such an accident. Both operators now face a year of investigations by the NTSB and the FAA, and both must live for the rest of their lives with the realization that 60+ lives were lost under their control.

Ever wonder why ATC operators can get so messed up?

DCA is no picnic for ATC operators. This is a VERY difficult airspace to handle. Only the best of the best ever make it to get certified for such a position.

The NTSB will determine the cause(s) of the crash. They aren't fast, but they are thorough. The investigation usually takes about a year. Trump has promised to aid them in conducting their investigation however he can.

An ATC procedure problem? Configuration of traffic patterns in the area? Errors by ATC operator(s) itself? Distracted pilots? Too much familiarity by personnel involved and assuming too much? ALL are factors to consider here.

It was Swan who called the orb. I haven't been able to identify any orb in the footage I have found.

I said the Blackhawk was warned by ATC about the approaching airline, 1 minute before the collision, after reviewing the YouTube video of the radar screen and ATC audio.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Then the Blackhawk appeared to fly quite erratically into a head on collision with the airliner
that was flashing its lights very brightly.

Spongy Iris wrote:
I'm not sure if one can blame ATC for not being able to anticipate the erratic flight path of the Blackhawk.

Spongy Iris wrote:
That kind of erratic flight path seems like it would have been very difficult to anticipate in the moment of operation under the stress of heavy traffic arriving and departing. I am wondering if he just assumed the Blackhawk received his warning and could clearly see the approaching plane.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There have also been some reports in conspiracy forums that the Blackhawk had taken off from a residence of a Saudi diplomat, 811 Lawton Street, McLean, VA.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:
The White House press secretary just confirmed that there was no jet or helicopter and that the videos were fully approved by the FAA. I feel safe now.

FFS that blackhawk looks like it beelines right into the plane!?

I can't get a sense of the angle they hit each other cuz the video is far away.

This looks really bad.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845

An orb was involved in the crash, that much is clear no matter what they say. Now they will tell us that all passenger jets appear as orbs in the sky and the braindead inhabitants of America will believe what they are told. Was the helicopter chasing an orb that led it into a jet, or is everything reported a lie, or a mix of both? Have Trumps press secretary tell more lies now, we need more lies right?

Do you see any orbs in this video?

https://youtu.be/EJVkBgWjitY?si=HUudPd8U1XxEbHo4

Apparently it was a training mission, per Pete Hegseth.

Apparently the chopper took off from 811 Lawton st McLean, VA, looks like the property of a Saudi diplomat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/zX5HWjQd54

According to the Annoying Orange, it was the WOKE policies of the democrats that kneecapped the FAA by installing incompetent Native American lesbians into positions that lives depend upon.

No matter how off course the helicopter pilot may have been for whatever may have been the reason, a competent white Christian heterosexual male would have known how to say the magic words over the radio from the control tower to prevent the crash.

Do you SEE that plane you are heading directly toward?

How was the helicopter pilot even going to take the tower seriously if that's all they had to say?

Especially when he heard the high-pitched effeminate ebonic Middle Eastern Latino accent of the WOKE DEI hired voice on the radio.

First such crash in 15 years, just two weeks into Trump's "watch" as Commander in Chief.

Between Biden and Booty Judge, I'm not sure who should get lynched first.


Remember the good old days when we were still a little bit shocked by the school shootings?

Remember how WRONG it was when liberal democrats "POLITICIZED" the catastrophes while the emergency crews were still on scene?

Jumping right in with finger pointing and disingenuous assignment of blame away from the immediate obvious cause, in order to gain some political advantage.

It's "us" against "them" at all times.

Don't you just HATE it when DEMOCRATS do that kind of thing?

I hate to imagine where the trend is leading, as climate change and the extreme weather it brings provide more disasters for Trump to politicize.

Trump still keeps talking about that BIG FAUCET in northern California that the Democrats refuse to provide to fire crews way down south.

As competent technocrats get replaced with MAGA loyalists, I imagine we will see more things crash and burn.

More opportunities for Trump to point the finger at those Goddamned DEMOCRATS for ruining everything with WOKE DEI critical race theory affirmative action policies.

Are the air traffic control operators for the army chopper and civilian plane working from the same building do you know? I had assumed they were operating in different buildings but I'm not sure of the logistics on second thought.

The Army was not under Army air traffic control at a civilian airport. Furthermore as Trump already knows since Biden's DEI air traffic controller rules called for three mental midgets and only one could be found they only had one midget on duty at the time of the collision. (Not meant to be funny or disparaging to the mental midgets that may or may not be dwarfes who voted for Biden)

In this recording, looks like the chopper can be seen on the radar screen as "PAT25" and the civilian air traffic control can apparently radio contact the pilot of PAT25.

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=Oy-R9mqu1HnonGMM

PAT25 appears to be flying in a more erratic path than the planes.

Air traffic control does tell PAT25 that the now destroyed civilian plane "JIA5342" is at 1200 feet (altitude?) approaching runway 33.

This is around 1:30 to 1:40 on the YouTube video.

Then PAT25 alters it course and flies straight into JIA5342 about 1 minute later. It looks like a head on collision on the radar screen.

I don't see how this the fault of air traffic controllers. IMO at best that chopper should not be meandering about like that near a heavy traffic airport, and at worst that pilot went into some crazy Kamikaze flight mode.

So as I said the Blackhawk was not under Army air traffic control but was warned by the civilian controller. That said I have seen a new video that clearly shows that the mentioned helicopter was not there and that the jet was hit by a cigar or a tic tac.

Seconds 43 to 47 shows that the jet was not hit by a helicopter of any type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nybl8hfX4&t=11s

Spongy Iris wrote:
The lights look blurry captured by cameras at night. But this is clearly not a UFO hitting a commercial airliner.

Spongy Iris wrote:
That said, that video removes all doubt this may have been an accident.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is no way the pilot of the Blackhawk was ignorant of his or her actions IMO (has the pilot been ID'd?)

Spongy Iris wrote:
And no, the lights don't blend into the night sky ITN. Look!

Spongy Iris wrote:
I'm calling it a suicide bomber. That there are reports the Blackhawk took off from a Saudi diplomat's residence is further confirmation, as all the 9/11 suicide bombers appeared to be sponsored by Saudi diplomats too.

Spongy Iris wrote:
I think this is an example of one or more religious nutcases. There will not be 144,000 virgins waiting for him, her, or them in Heaven.

Into the Night wrote:

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft.
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Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
The unfortunate crash of the airline and the blackhawk helicopter may have been the result of an ATC failure, even though the blackhawk was operating under VFR at the time (they were in contact with ATC).

Both operators of ATC were in the airport tower, in a radar room located just below the main observation deck. This darkened room is more conducive to the radar displays. The main observation deck is mostly used by clearance and ground controllers, and an air controller handling VFR traffic landing or taking off from DCA.

The helicopter was using a normal route assigned for helicopter traffic, and was on a training flight (a qualification flight). The certifying instructor had over 1000 hours in that make and model.

ATC was aware of both flights. The airline was on an instrument approach to runway 33 at DCA, and was on the final approach phase, when the crew is most busy, and focused on the runway ahead of them and their instruments, rather than scanning the area for traffic. The airline had priority of that airspace.

The blackhawk pilot entered controlled airspace of DCA. Normal procedure is to reduce altitude there, to reduce traffic conflicts in and out of DCA, which has almost continuous traffic arriving and departing.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning of the approaching airliner. The airliner DID have his landing lights on, shining almost directly at the helicopter. BOTH aircraft had their anticollision beacons on, but in the cityscape of the area, these beacons blend into the background quite easily, which is why landing lights should be used anywhere in the area (the blackhawk didn't have any landing lights on!). These are bright, like headlights.

ATC failed to provide a traffic warning to the airliner of the helicopter in the area. It DID query the helicopter if it could see the 'traffic', but gave no direction reference for it. The helicopter pilot reported seeing the 'traffic' which was a DIFFERENT airliner taking off at the time.

Due to the failure of ATC to issue proper traffic warnings, neither pilot was aware of the other aircraft until it was too late.

The helicopter pilot was operating VFR, see and avoid. He should have at least been aware of the approaching landing lights from the airliner, but was probably busy with scanning with ATC and perhaps some conversation with the instructor at the time.

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft. Both aircraft disintegrated and fell into the Potomic river below. There were no survivors from either aircraft. The explosion probably was a result of a ruptured fuel tank, probably ignited by the shearing metal.

There was no 'orb'. Landing lights can look like an 'orb' of sorts in camera lenses. There was another light behind the crash site mounted on a pole in the background. This may be the so-called 'orb' referred to by Spongy.

Both ATC operators involved were immediately decertified. This happens anytime there is a 'deal' like this, as they call such an accident. Both operators now face a year of investigations by the NTSB and the FAA, and both must live for the rest of their lives with the realization that 60+ lives were lost under their control.

Ever wonder why ATC operators can get so messed up?

DCA is no picnic for ATC operators. This is a VERY difficult airspace to handle. Only the best of the best ever make it to get certified for such a position.

The NTSB will determine the cause(s) of the crash. They aren't fast, but they are thorough. The investigation usually takes about a year. Trump has promised to aid them in conducting their investigation however he can.

An ATC procedure problem? Configuration of traffic patterns in the area? Errors by ATC operator(s) itself? Distracted pilots? Too much familiarity by personnel involved and assuming too much? ALL are factors to consider here.

It was Swan who called the orb. I haven't been able to identify any orb in the footage I have found.

I said the Blackhawk was warned by ATC about the approaching airline, 1 minute before the collision, after reviewing the YouTube video of the radar screen and ATC audio.

There is no video of the radar screen released. What you saw was synthesized animation.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Then the Blackhawk appeared to fly quite erratically into a head on collision with the airliner
that was flashing its lights very brightly.

The helicopter wasn't erratic.

Since you aren't a pilot, you probably don't appreciate what a background does to the visibility of an anti-collision beacon.

Looking up at an aircraft with it's beacon running, you are comparing it to a dark night sky. Easy to see.
Looking down or sideways at the same aircraft with the maze of city lights beneath, that beacon is damn near invisible. It's like trying to find the traffic light on the Las Vegas Strip. There are so many flashing lights and lit building decorations that you might completely miss that a traffic light is even there. It's in there somewhere, but in all the other confusing lights, they are easy to miss.

Spongy Iris wrote:
I'm not sure if one can blame ATC for not being able to anticipate the erratic flight path of the Blackhawk.

It was not erratic.

Spongy Iris wrote:
That kind of erratic flight path seems like it would have been very difficult to anticipate in the moment of operation under the stress of heavy traffic arriving and departing. I am wondering if he just assumed the Blackhawk received his warning and could clearly see the approaching plane.

It was not erratic. I already described what the helicopter probably thought was the other aircraft (and was wrong). ATC failed to issue a proper traffic conflict warning to either aircraft. That warning includes direction and altitude of the other aircraft as well as it's own direction of travel.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There have also been some reports in conspiracy forums that the Blackhawk had taken off from a residence of a Saudi diplomat, 811 Lawton Street, McLean, VA.

Meh. People make up all kinds of weird shit. It took off from an army base. It flight was a training flight to qualify the pilot for that make and model of aircraft. It was following the established flight path for helicopters through the area.

The helicopter pilot failed to avoid other aircraft while operating under visual flight rules.

ATC failed to give proper traffic conflict warnings.

Because of the accident, the FAA has closed that flight corridor for helicopters, possibly permanently.

Spongy Iris wrote:
ATC told the Blackhawk pilot which runway that the AA flight was headed to, and to stay below 1200 feet.

Spongy Iris wrote:
This was about 1 minute before the plane was headed for its runway

Spongy Iris wrote:
Then the Blackhawk flew in such a path as to directly collide with the plane, performing an opposing path turn, at the very moment that the plane turned toward the runway.

Spongy Iris wrote:
As ITN stated, the collision occurred at about 1500 feet. This indicates the Blackhawk ascended to reach the AA flight.

Spongy Iris wrote:
The collision caught on film looks like the Blackhawk hit the AA flight from an angle below it. The windshield facing upward I think would have given the Blackhawk pilot a clear view of the AA flight flashing its bright light.

Spongy Iris wrote:
All the Blackhawk pilot had to do was stay below 1200 feet. The pilot brazenly defied that order.

Spongy Iris wrote:
But it looks like everybody wants to blame ATC for giving the suicide bomber a heads up on the AA flight's exact path of descent.

Spongy Iris wrote:
When 2 aircraft collide it creates an explosion, and when 1 of the aircraft intentionally collides with the other it is suicide!

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft.
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Look here it says the altitude is 300 feet.

Where did you get 1500 feet?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/31/us/black-hawk-helicopter-plane-collision-investigation-wwk/index.html

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft.
.

Look here it says the altitude is 300 feet.

Where did you get 1500 feet?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/31/us/black-hawk-helicopter-plane-collision-investigation-wwk/index.html

CNN is wrong, yet again.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft.
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Look here it says the altitude is 300 feet.

Where did you get 1500 feet?

CNN is wrong, yet again.

There is nobody reporting 1500 feet.

The NTSB said the plane's recorder registered 325 feet at the time of impact, with a margin of error 25 feet.

" For the second day in a row Tuesday, (2/4/25) the National Transportation Safety Board – which has been reviewing data from the Black Hawk's flight data recorder that was recovered over the weekend – backed away from announced plans for a public briefing on its investigation.

"NTSB needs additional information to verify data points from the Black Hawk," the agency said in a post on X, adding that a written update would be released later in the day."

PAT25 was told exactly where JIA5342 was, just south of the Woodrow bridge, confirmed sight, and got visual separation approval, with more than enough time to avoid the incoming jet JIA5342. Instead of following the basic instruction, PAT25 flew on a collision path to blind side the JIA5342, and also blind sided ATC who could not have reasonably immediately assumed PAT25 would embark on a likely suicidal or unbelievably incompetent flight path.

Im a BM wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

The helicopter collided with the airliner almost dead on (about 20 deg off at most!), at an altitude of approx 1500 ft.
.

Look here it says the altitude is 300 feet.

Where did you get 1500 feet?

CNN is wrong, yet again.

There is nobody reporting 1500 feet.

The NTSB said the plane's recorder registered 325 feet at the time of impact, with a margin of error 25 feet.

" For the second day in a row Tuesday, (2/4/25) the National Transportation Safety Board – which has been reviewing data from the Black Hawk's flight data recorder that was recovered over the weekend – backed away from announced plans for a public briefing on its investigation.

"NTSB needs additional information to verify data points from the Black Hawk," the agency said in a post on X, adding that a written update would be released later in the day."

PAT25 was told exactly where JIA5342 was, just south of the Woodrow bridge, confirmed sight, and got visual separation approval, with more than enough time to avoid the incoming jet JIA5342. Instead of following the basic instruction, PAT25 flew on a collision path to blind side the JIA5342, and also blind sided ATC who could not have reasonably immediately assumed PAT25 would embark on a likely suicidal or unbelievably incompetent flight path.

When the dust settles, they will clarify why there were TWO different altitudes reported for the helicopter by the airport equipment.

One was correct, showing it at the same altitude as the airplane it crashed into.

The other was INCORRECT, saying it was only at 200 feet altitude and in compliance with the restrictions for that flight corridor.

Meanwhile, it sounds like they were practicing with night vision equipment, which isn't the best way to see bright lights on aircraft at night.

Did the pilot "bleach" their night vision through improper goggle use?

Were they too preoccupied just being able to see around them to notice their altitude monitor showed them too high up?

I'm pretty sure we will NOT learn about some suicide conspiracy... Unless we know where to get the BEST facts available. Reddit!

The DEI hiring for incompetent female pilots in the Army will prove to be the true cause, whereas the SCANDAL will be who manipulated the equipment data to suggest the helicopter was only flying at 200 feet.

Or, the DEI hiring for an incompetent God knows what at the airport who MISINTERPRETED the equipment to show the helicopter at a safe 200 feet altitude, so no reason to make a big deal out of it.

Clearly there was some kind of "human" error, even if one of two instruments inaccurately displayed the helicopter altitude.

Perhaps the error would have been harmless if there were not some secondary "human" error that compounded it.

Will it ruin the story if it is just a case of accidental human fallibility?

Is Into the Night dense enough to insist that 1500 feet was the correct altitude?