COW GAS! New Solutions for Earth's Oldest Line of Bacteria
| 06-03-2025 20:54 | |
Into the Night ★★★★★(22983) |
Im a BM wrote: You could always stop posting, clown. Im a BM wrote: Why are you so infatuated with cow farts? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 06-03-2025 23:30 | |
| Im a BM★★★★☆ (1922) |
Into the Night wrote:Im a BM wrote: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! This joke just never gets OLD! In fact, it is funnier than ever now. I would recommend some remedial education, but it seems a bit late for that... BOVINE BURPS actually come out of the cow's MOUTH, in case that point needs to be made more explicitly. Such commanding comprehension of chemistry is displayed by making unsupported contrarian assertions. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS... According to the CHEMISTRY CLOWN, "There is no such thing as..." "Climate change" or "Greenhouse Gas" "Alkalinity" or "Biogeochemistry" or "Terminal electron acceptor" or "pOH" or "Sulfate reduction" or "Zero valent metal" or any other term on a very long list of things... Things that are NOT "science". Things that are NOT a "chemical". Things that are, in fact, meaningless "buzzwords" because they don't even exist. It is a bit ironic that ANY of these terms will get recognition for their validity by doing the SIMPLEST search. Google: "Is there such a thing as (ITN declared "buzzword")?" Google seems to think that these things REALLY DO EXIST. Google seems to think that these terms can be used meaningfully in a sentence of scientific significance. Publishers of scientific textbooks and journals agree with Google, and disagree with the unsupported contrarian assertions of a scientifically illiterate troll. Google won't just say: "Yup. It really does exist. RQAA." Google offers a scientifically meaningful description of what it IS, not just an unsupported claim that something simply is NOT. Even without Google's assistance, I am aware that there really IS "such a thing as" biogeochemistry. I have read biogeochemistry textbooks and passed upper division classes called "biogeochemistry" at institutions of higher learning. As a biogeochemist, I published biogeochemistry research, some of which was published in a journal called "Biogeochemistry". About 500 citations for that one in other peer-reviewed publications about biogeochemistry research. I am quite confident that there really IS such a thing as biogeochemistry, despite the local chemistry clown having posted, literally HUNDREDS OF TIMES, that "There is no such thing as biogeochemistry". I am equally confident that there really IS such a thing as "alkalinity" or "terminal electron acceptor" or any other on the very long list of chemistry terms that ITN repeatedly insists that there is "no such thing as". I am supremely confident that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a person who has any legitimate claim whatsoever to the professional title of "chemist", who is posting at this website under the name "Into the Night". The chemistry clown never even passed INTRODUCTORY college chemistry. The claim that there is no such thing is simply a confession that he never studied enough chemistry to learn what it is. And has no clue how to look it up. Therefore, it cannot possibly exist. Just like climate change. Make it go away by pretending it doesn't exist and, therefore, it cannot even be discussed in any meaningful way. Go and learn some science? |
| 08-03-2025 05:12 | |
| Im a BM★★★★☆ (1922) |
COW GAS forms in the rumen, not the "true" stomach. One reason cows BURP methane rather than farting it (tee hee) is that the methane is generated before the cow's meal even gets into into its "true" stomach. Cows are ruminants, a line of animals that have a rumen "stomach" where their meal is fermented before it enters the "true" stomach where it is digested. Our stomachs are pretty much like the cow's true stomach, generating very low pH (2-4) with hydrochloric acid to digest our food. But ruminants evolved a big stomach-like pouch (rumen) where they ferment their meal before beginning to digest it. The pH in the rumen is MUCH closer to neutral than the cow's acidic "true" stomach. Rumen pH ranges about 5.5-6.9. Cows don't absorb any nutrients from their rumens. They just use it as a fermentation chamber where a microbial feeding frenzy occurs under very low oxygen conditions. Some of those microorganisms generate hydrogen gas in the cow's rumen. Methanogenic archaebacteria in the rumen then combine that hydrogen with carbon dioxide to make methane. 4H2 + CO2 = CH4 + 2H2O plus small exothermic energy yield All this happens before the fermenting cud ever gets into the cow's "true" stomach. The methane produced by bacteria in the cow's rumen only has one way to get out - BELCH! So, when the cud is nicely fermented it contains a lot of bacterial biomass that transformed the cow's cellulose-rich feed into protein-rich, fat-rich microorganisms. It is then passed into the true stomach where actual digestion and nutrient absorption occurs under strongly acidic conditions. By the time it gets into the cow's intestines, the methanogenic bacteria are digested and absorbed and unable to make any more cow gas. Another fun fact. Like every other vertebrate, cows cannot produce an enzyme that could digest cellulose. However, there is a single-celled protozoan in the cow's rumen, far larger and more complex than the multiple species of bacteria also present. That protozoan harbors a bacteria that makes the elusive enzyme to digest cellulose. In a three-way symbiosis, the cow hosts the protozoan which hosts the bacteria that makes the cellulase enzyme. The fermented cud is loaded with microbial biomass far more nutritious than the original fodder the cow took in. I'm not saying that ruminants are incapable of flatulence. But "cow gas" virtually ALL comes out of the FRONT end of the cow. Fart jokes can be funny. But dismissing and belittling the climate change contribution of cow gas by mocking it as "farts" displays more than just veterinary ignorance. Here it is: August 25, 2024 The Washington Post Scientists may have found a radical solution for making your hamburger less bad for the planet. by Shannon Osaka and Emily Wright ---------------------------------------------------------- COW GAS! The dreaded methane emissions from bovine digestion. Gram per gram, methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide. Why do cows emit methane? Well, cow guts create extreme low oxygen conditions that allow microbiological fermentation reactions to occur. Some of those little critters produce hydrogen gas. Okay, so if cows are emitting hydrogen gas, that's not so bad, right? But that's where some different little critters some in. Methanogenic bacteria. Descendants of one of Earth's very oldest line of bacteria. They combine hydrogen gas with carbon dioxide to produce methane. So, a lot of work has already been done looking at how to optimize the composition of the feed to minimize methane emissions from cows. I take pride in having pioneered research into polyphenols for such applications. But the NEWEST twist may be to just tip the scales of the microbiological ecology of what happens inside the cow guts. One approach is to introduce a different guy who is better adapted to catch the hydrogen gas, intercepting it before the methanogens get a shot at it. Another approach is to introduce more of the guys who ferment WITHOUT generating hydrogen gas in the process. Either way, germ warfare could help us cut back on cow gas emissions. Edited on 08-03-2025 05:34 |
| 08-03-2025 19:35 | |
Swan ★★★★★(6333) |
Im a BM wrote: So we need more cows IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD. According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND. ULTRA MAGA "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?  Sonia makes me so proud to be a dumb white boy  Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL |
| 08-03-2025 21:08 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (22983) |
Im a BM wrote: You said it. Why are you so infatuated with cow farts and burps? Im a BM wrote: Void authority fallacy. Science is not Google. Im a BM wrote: Science is not Google or a class. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: Science does not have a voting bloc, magazine, journal, book, or website. Consensus is not used in science. There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: There is no such thing as 'biogeochemistry'. Im a BM wrote: Alkalinity is not a chemical. There is no such thing as a 'terminal electron acceptor'. You are not discussing chemistry. Chemistry is not meaningless buzzwords. Im a BM wrote: Too bad. I am a chemist. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a class or college. Im a BM wrote: Inversion fallacy. You can't blame your problem on me or anybody else, Robert. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry does not need to be 'looked up'. Im a BM wrote: Climate cannot change. Im a BM wrote: You are not being meaningful. Buzzwords don't mean anything. Im a BM wrote: You deny science. You have already discarded the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and several theories of science around chemistry. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 11-03-2025 05:56 | |
| Im a BM★★★★☆ (1922) |
"There is no such thing as 'methanogenesis'.", says the Chemistry Clown whose 23,000 posts of parrot poop comprise more than one in five of all posts ever posted on this website. According to Merriam-Webster, methanogenesis is the production of methane, especially by methanogens, occurring in anaerobic environments. Like all the chemistry and biology textbooks, the Merriam-Webster dictionary seems to agree that there really IS such a thing as "methanogenesis". It appears that there may only be ONE "chemist" in the entire world who is so well versed in the subject that he is aware there is NO SUCH THING as this meaningless "buzzword". I hope Into the Night hurries up and publishes his revolutionary chemistry textbook, in order to correct the terribly wrong misconceptions all the other scientists have. No such thing as methanogenesis, for starters. He might even reveal his secret definition for "pH" and the secret mechanism that enables water itself to behave as a an excellent pH buffer. And somehow prevents pH from EVER being greater than 14 or less than zero COW GAS forms in the rumen, not the "true" stomach. One reason cows BURP methane rather than farting it (tee hee) is that the methane is generated before the cow's meal even gets into into its "true" stomach. Cows are ruminants, a line of animals that have a rumen "stomach" where their meal is fermented before it enters the "true" stomach where it is digested. Our stomachs are pretty much like the cow's true stomach, generating very low pH (2-4) with hydrochloric acid to digest our food. But ruminants evolved a big stomach-like pouch (rumen) where they ferment their meal before beginning to digest it. The pH in the rumen is MUCH closer to neutral than the cow's acidic "true" stomach. Rumen pH ranges about 5.5-6.9. Cows don't absorb any nutrients from their rumens. They just use it as a fermentation chamber where a microbial feeding frenzy occurs under very low oxygen conditions. Some of those microorganisms generate hydrogen gas in the cow's rumen. Methanogenic archaebacteria in the rumen then combine that hydrogen with carbon dioxide to make methane. 4H2 + CO2 = CH4 + 2H2O plus small exothermic energy yield All this happens before the fermenting cud ever gets into the cow's "true" stomach. The methane produced by bacteria in the cow's rumen only has one way to get out - BELCH! So, when the cud is nicely fermented it contains a lot of bacterial biomass that transformed the cow's cellulose-rich feed into protein-rich, fat-rich microorganisms. It is then passed into the true stomach where actual digestion and nutrient absorption occurs under strongly acidic conditions. By the time it gets into the cow's intestines, the methanogenic bacteria are digested and absorbed and unable to make any more cow gas. Another fun fact. Like every other vertebrate, cows cannot produce an enzyme that could digest cellulose. However, there is a single-celled protozoan in the cow's rumen, far larger and more complex than the multiple species of bacteria also present. That protozoan harbors a bacteria that makes the elusive enzyme to digest cellulose. In a three-way symbiosis, the cow hosts the protozoan which hosts the bacteria that makes the cellulase enzyme. The fermented cud is loaded with microbial biomass far more nutritious than the original fodder the cow took in. I'm not saying that ruminants are incapable of flatulence. But "cow gas" virtually ALL comes out of the FRONT end of the cow. Fart jokes can be funny. But dismissing and belittling the climate change contribution of cow gas by mocking it as "farts" displays more than just veterinary ignorance. Here it is: August 25, 2024 The Washington Post Scientists may have found a radical solution for making your hamburger less bad for the planet. by Shannon Osaka and Emily Wright ---------------------------------------------------------- COW GAS! The dreaded methane emissions from bovine digestion. Gram per gram, methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide. Why do cows emit methane? Well, cow guts create extreme low oxygen conditions that allow microbiological fermentation reactions to occur. Some of those little critters produce hydrogen gas. Okay, so if cows are emitting hydrogen gas, that's not so bad, right? But that's where some different little critters some in. Methanogenic bacteria. Descendants of one of Earth's very oldest line of bacteria. They combine hydrogen gas with carbon dioxide to produce methane. So, a lot of work has already been done looking at how to optimize the composition of the feed to minimize methane emissions from cows. I take pride in having pioneered research into polyphenols for such applications. But the NEWEST twist may be to just tip the scales of the microbiological ecology of what happens inside the cow guts. One approach is to introduce a different guy who is better adapted to catch the hydrogen gas, intercepting it before the methanogens get a shot at it. Another approach is to introduce more of the guys who ferment WITHOUT generating hydrogen gas in the process. Either way, germ warfare could help us cut back on cow gas emissions. |
| 11-03-2025 20:08 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (22983) |
Im a BM wrote: No dictionary defines any word. Neither chemistry nor any part of science is a dictionary. Im a BM wrote: A dictionary is not science or chemistry. No dictionary defines any word. Science is not a dictionary. Im a BM wrote: You don't get to speak for everyone, Robert. Omniscience fallacy. Im a BM wrote: Chemistry is not a book. No such thing as 'methanogenesis'. Im a BM wrote: It is not possible for pH to be greater than 14 or less than zero, Robert. You don't know how to measure pH or even know what it is. Im a BM wrote: Your weird infatuation with cow farts is not chemistry either, Robert. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
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