Covid19

gfm7175 wrote:
This is the mask document...

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases

Xadoman wrote:
James, if you restrict your airways with mask then your immunity goes down and you can get an infection that otherwise could have been prevented by healthy immune system. That is why those masks are dangerous, they compromize immune system.

Xadoman wrote:
James, I have used masks in construction when I need to cut with an angle grinder or demolish something with a sledge hammer etc . The fine dust from those activities is awful for the lungs. But even with the mask I can feel that some of the dust comes through of the mask- some of the dust particles a simply too small. Also wearing the mask is uncomfortable, it makes you sweat, probably rises blood pressure a lot( risk of stroke) etc etc. Many years ago I was looking for a job and I had a trial day in the factory where wood frame houses where built. The job also consisted putting the fiberglass insulation between the studs. We were given masks but I saw that nobody wore them. I tried to use the mask but I have glasses so after some time my glasses fogged up so much that I did not see much. Also even with the mask I felt uncomfortable itching in my throat - some of the dust from the fiberglass reached to my airways anyway. It was my first and last day there, I never went back.

At the same time, people in the operating room wear masks to reduce the amount of moisture coming from them which could infect the patient. I mean they work in a hospital and get exposed to all kinds of disease but usually stay healthy. I think hospitals show that safe practices work.

gfm7175 wrote:
For whatever it is worth (I'm willing to bet next to nothing), I have now contacted my Governor's office, as well as my County Executive's office and the Public Health Madison and Dane County's office, and have now politely expressed my grievances regarding this tyrannical mask mandate policy (Emergency Order #8).

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
For whatever it is worth (I'm willing to bet next to nothing), I have now contacted my Governor's office, as well as my County Executive's office and the Public Health Madison and Dane County's office, and have now politely expressed my grievances regarding this tyrannical mask mandate policy (Emergency Order #8).

I would quote scripture to you since you are a Christian, but it would be like throwing pearls before swine. Then again, spoiled brat seems to fit. Aren't there more serious issues to be concerned about rather than how it bothers you to wear a mask?
Ever think about YOUR trade deficit which is usually around $800 Billion a year? That devalues a college education and labor in general. I mean if more things were Made in the USA, the rich might not be as rich and our GDP might be lower but the over all quality of life would be better. But Americans hate socialism, like putting Americans to work making products that Americans buy.
About all economic gains since the Great Recession of 2008 have gone mostly to the top 1/3 wage earners in the US. Everybody else's life is about the same as it was 12 years ago.
But as you mentioned, being asked to wear a mask gets your panties in a bunch.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
For whatever it is worth (I'm willing to bet next to nothing), I have now contacted my Governor's office, as well as my County Executive's office and the Public Health Madison and Dane County's office, and have now politely expressed my grievances regarding this tyrannical mask mandate policy (Emergency Order #8).

I would quote scripture to you since you are a Christian, but it would be like throwing pearls before swine. Then again, spoiled brat seems to fit. Aren't there more serious issues to be concerned about rather than how it bothers you to wear a mask?
Ever think about YOUR trade deficit which is usually around $800 Billion a year? That devalues a college education and labor in general. I mean if more things were Made in the USA, the rich might not be as rich and our GDP might be lower but the over all quality of life would be better. But Americans hate socialism, like putting Americans to work making products that Americans buy.
About all economic gains since the Great Recession of 2008 have gone mostly to the top 1/3 wage earners in the US. Everybody else's life is about the same as it was 12 years ago.
But as you mentioned, being asked to wear a mask gets your panties in a bunch.

Masks suck, and are likely to be a health hazard eventually. Mask restrict airflow. I'm of a larger size, and active. No way I'm wearing a mask, while at work. Most people aren't going to put on a clean, sanitized masks every time. Some are going to wear the same mask for days, even weeks. Being a warm, moist, environment, should be a great place for mold and bacteria to live, and inhaled into the lungs. Vast majority of the population isn't mostly sitting on the toilet, waiting for something to happen, much of the day...

I'm of a larger size
Vast majority of the population isn't mostly sitting on the toilet, waiting for something to happen, much of the day...

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

In the United States, small children play a game called "cooties." When one kid has "cooties" all the other kids have to "spray" wherever the cootie-kid touched.

The left has decided to play the adult version ... and everybody has "cooties" and it cannot be cured. The objective of the game is to keep the "cooties" from "spreading." If you fail to do so then you are "out," you go directly to jail, you do not pass GO and you do not collect $200. The game only ends when Trump declares the game over. Some of us are eager for him to do so.

Of course no one actually dies in a game ... we just play "pretend." We use the words "Risk," "Threat," "Danger," and whatever words make the game FUN! It's a role-playing game after all.

IBdaMann wrote:
Within the building where I work, one company just played the "launch a complaint to the landlord" card whereby they accused our company of not wearing masks in common areas. In turn, we held some additional meetings. We are more or less hard-core gamers in my neck of the woods.

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gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

And yet as you say Harvey, under President Trump, your wages haven't increased and you can't afford high speed internet. And this would most likely be inflation even at 2% decreases the value of your paycheck.
I mean if you want to maintain your home, something has to go, right?
Let's say your income is $2,000 a month. A 3% wage increase would be $60 which is more than what a high speed internet connection costs.
And inversely proportional, if inflation is 2% then your monthly income when adjusted becomes $1,996. And after 4 years your wages would have an adjusted value of $1,984.
And yet someone is profiting from inflation and we know it's not you.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

And yet as you say Harvey, under President Trump, your wages haven't increased and you can't afford high speed internet. And this would most likely be inflation even at 2% decreases the value of your paycheck.
I mean if you want to maintain your home, something has to go, right?
Let's say your income is $2,000 a month. A 3% wage increase would be $60 which is more than what a high speed internet connection costs.
And inversely proportional, if inflation is 2% then your monthly income when adjusted becomes $1,996. And after 4 years your wages would have an adjusted value of $1,984.
And yet someone is profiting from inflation and we know it's not you.

It's not that I can't afford high speed internet, a cellphone, or cable TV. I just don't have a daily, or even weekly use for those services. My annual raises at work, haven't changed a whole lot in the past 27 years, nor has the company match for our 401k. Some years are more generous than others, but there really has been a drop, to a bare minimal. I'm earning about 3X what I started at, and I no longer have a mortgage, credit card, or any other debt. I do work less hours, though that's my choice. They still give the option of finding something to do, to make 40 hours. I'm not as desperate for cash, and prefer working at home. When we are short staffed, I do get assigned other work, but generally, I'm free to go, when my usual work is complete.

Things were going great, until covid-19. Not sure where you get Trump messing up my finances. Of course, I'm a long way from a 'fix' income, so maybe it's just that you didn't get a big raise. Get use to it, Social Security is pretty slow on increases, not to generous either. Retirement isn't a job, or the government's responsibility. SS is to help out people who didn't plan well, or expect to live that long. Medical bills also tend to drain the savings pretty quick. SS is just suppose to be enough to get by on, no live fancy.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

And yet as you say Harvey, under President Trump, your wages haven't increased and you can't afford high speed internet. And this would most likely be inflation even at 2% decreases the value of your paycheck.
I mean if you want to maintain your home, something has to go, right?
Let's say your income is $2,000 a month. A 3% wage increase would be $60 which is more than what a high speed internet connection costs.
And inversely proportional, if inflation is 2% then your monthly income when adjusted becomes $1,996. And after 4 years your wages would have an adjusted value of $1,984.
And yet someone is profiting from inflation and we know it's not you.

It's not that I can't afford high speed internet, a cellphone, or cable TV. I just don't have a daily, or even weekly use for those services. My annual raises at work, haven't changed a whole lot in the past 27 years, nor has the company match for our 401k. Some years are more generous than others, but there really has been a drop, to a bare minimal. I'm earning about 3X what I started at, and I no longer have a mortgage, credit card, or any other debt. I do work less hours, though that's my choice. They still give the option of finding something to do, to make 40 hours. I'm not as desperate for cash, and prefer working at home. When we are short staffed, I do get assigned other work, but generally, I'm free to go, when my usual work is complete.

Things were going great, until covid-19. Not sure where you get Trump messing up my finances. Of course, I'm a long way from a 'fix' income, so maybe it's just that you didn't get a big raise. Get use to it, Social Security is pretty slow on increases, not to generous either. Retirement isn't a job, or the government's responsibility. SS is to help out people who didn't plan well, or expect to live that long. Medical bills also tend to drain the savings pretty quick. SS is just suppose to be enough to get by on, no live fancy.

I think my VA disability keeps fine with inflation. You are right Harvey, I could've had your good life if I didn't serve. I acknowledge serving America is a mistake.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
My mom had a good question this morning:

She was wondering, if masks DO work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (she knows that they actually don't), then why aren't all businesses fully open right now? If masks are indeed working, then why is it "necessary" to impose covid-related operating restrictions on businesses (which are especially hurting small businesses)?

On the other hand, if masks DON'T work for stopping/preventing the spread of a virus (thus, the covid-related business restrictions are "necessary"), then why are we even wearing masks to begin with? Obviously, the masks aren't working...


In other words, she thinks that these twits are trying to have their cake and eat it too...

Democrats like to crush small business, since they isn't any money in it for them too take. Democrats are major shareholders in the big-box chains. Most of the small business that are being kept closed, are bars and restaurants, which would basically being giving away their product, since they don't have the space to comply, and still do enough business to pay the bills. People can't wear masks, while dining, or socialized drink (trying to get lucky), so they need to social distance. Bars, are for hooking up, not just drinking. Not sure how you could social distance in a bar, and be successful.

And yet as you say Harvey, under President Trump, your wages haven't increased and you can't afford high speed internet. And this would most likely be inflation even at 2% decreases the value of your paycheck.
I mean if you want to maintain your home, something has to go, right?
Let's say your income is $2,000 a month. A 3% wage increase would be $60 which is more than what a high speed internet connection costs.
And inversely proportional, if inflation is 2% then your monthly income when adjusted becomes $1,996. And after 4 years your wages would have an adjusted value of $1,984.
And yet someone is profiting from inflation and we know it's not you.

It's not that I can't afford high speed internet, a cellphone, or cable TV. I just don't have a daily, or even weekly use for those services. My annual raises at work, haven't changed a whole lot in the past 27 years, nor has the company match for our 401k. Some years are more generous than others, but there really has been a drop, to a bare minimal. I'm earning about 3X what I started at, and I no longer have a mortgage, credit card, or any other debt. I do work less hours, though that's my choice. They still give the option of finding something to do, to make 40 hours. I'm not as desperate for cash, and prefer working at home. When we are short staffed, I do get assigned other work, but generally, I'm free to go, when my usual work is complete.

Things were going great, until covid-19. Not sure where you get Trump messing up my finances. Of course, I'm a long way from a 'fix' income, so maybe it's just that you didn't get a big raise. Get use to it, Social Security is pretty slow on increases, not to generous either. Retirement isn't a job, or the government's responsibility. SS is to help out people who didn't plan well, or expect to live that long. Medical bills also tend to drain the savings pretty quick. SS is just suppose to be enough to get by on, no live fancy.

I think my VA disability keeps fine with inflation. You are right Harvey, I could've had your good life if I didn't serve. I acknowledge serving America is a mistake.

It's not a job, it's an adventure...

You didn't take advantage of all the benefits you were entitled to under the G.I. Bill. You could have chosen a field of the military, that would have translated better into a civilian job. Drunken sailer jobs are hard to come by in the private sector. It's not really something you proudly put on a resume, just sort of a perk of the job...

HarveyH55 wrote:
Hearing aids are a lot more than simple amplifiers of the past. They can modulate sounds to fit into what ever range you still can hear. The can filter out background noises, all kinds of stuff. You need to see a specialist, to run the appropriate tests, and program and adjust your hearing aids, specific to your needs.

You don't know squat about deaf people. Most can learn to speak, dance, and many other things people who can hear do. For a language requirement in college, I took ASL. Mostly, because I got to registration late, and there weren't any useful languages available. Turned ot pretty cool, the teacher was hot, deaf since birth. Pretty easy class too.

James___ wrote:
@Harvey, can you post something that isn't hateful? The Veteran's Administration hires deaf people to do jobs that do not require the ability to hear. This proves that earning a paycheck guarantees a person a life.
This policy hurts Veterans while saving taxpayers like you money. The question is, do we need a military? If we do, then why are Veterans like myself screwed over? Can't you let me keep my job?
Americans like you can't. Why I am an a$$hole. Don't hold my having served you against me. If you do, then I am the Devil and I want to get to know you.

Xadoman wrote:
"Few friendships would survive if each one knew what his friend says of him behind his back"

― Blaise Pascal

I have only few friends from childhood and one of them turned out as a backstabber talking serious shitt behind my back. He also used me as his free workforce.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
@Harvey, can you post something that isn't hateful? The Veteran's Administration hires deaf people to do jobs that do not require the ability to hear. This proves that earning a paycheck guarantees a person a life.
This policy hurts Veterans while saving taxpayers like you money. The question is, do we need a military? If we do, then why are Veterans like myself screwed over? Can't you let me keep my job?
Americans like you can't. Why I am an a$$hole. Don't hold my having served you against me. If you do, then I am the Devil and I want to get to know you.

You are the one screwing yourself over. Stop blaming other people for your own failings, and unrealistic expectations if everyone else. No one is obligated to be your friend. Take some responsibility for your own life, pull your own weight. It's not important for me to be everyone's friend, nor do I really want everyone to be my friend. I'm very selective about friends. There are plenty of people I associate/socialize with, but don't really consider them friends. My friends know I'm not a repair shop or handyman. I can usually fix things, cheap, but it's not always pretty, or going to last. They only ask when it's a real need, and don't pas my phone number around as a free service. I have plenty of other things to do, and a job, to spend all my free time working for others, just because I can. It's about respect. I don't call up a friend for help, unless it's really important. To me, a friend isn't just people you randomly hang a tag on, they are people you value. Friends are people you trust, respect, and can count on. Some people want to be your friend, simple to add to a list, they can use and exploit.

I don't have any handicaps, but have been seriously injured a few times, mostly broken bones. None have been able to keep me down for very long. I'm pretty good at finding a work around, until I'm healed. Just not much for sitting or laying around the house. There is always away around any limitation.

I have plenty of other things to do, and a job, to spend all my free time working for others, just because I can.

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote:
"Few friendships would survive if each one knew what his friend says of him behind his back"

― Blaise Pascal

I have only few friends from childhood and one of them turned out as a backstabber talking serious shitt behind my back. He also used me as his free workforce.

My childhood and highschool friendships could not be maintained because I moved away, moved around and ultimately settled down somewhere distant whereby social media was the only contact ... and things faded rather steadily over the years.

I lost a few friends due to politics this last Presidential election which ensnared everyone who was either prone to succumbing to pressure from virtue-signalers or to whom "victim" status was irresistably appealing. Suddenly, they considered me a racist/sexist/homophobic/misogynistic "alt-right" NAZI. The one thing they all had in common were that they were all pretty much losers anyway, so I'm not totally surprised, jussayn.

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HarveyH55 wrote:
Is mask wearing, a little like being Water-boarded? The better the filtration properties of the mask, the greater it reduces airflow. Subconsciously, we are struggling to breath, which should provoke a response of panic and anxiety. Yet, consciously, we are telling ourselves that it's okay, to slowly suffocate. I'm a taller many, and pretty active, a very physical job. Walmart, has been the only place that won't bend even a little on their mask mandate, and I can definitely feel the difference in airflow, and effect. It's 30-40 minutes, but it's something I find that I need to control my breathing. I really can't see wearing a mask, doing my job, for more than a few minutes. Don't see how people wear those things all day...