Covid19

keepit wrote:
James,
I like texas. It's too hot though in the summer.
I met my Polish, Jewish wife in texas. She divorced me though but she still likes me.

IBD,
If you keep spreading bull too much and too long, you'll start to like it and believe it.

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

James___ wrote:If trying to slow or prevent the spread of a known serious pathogen is an attack on your civil liberties, kind of really means you only care about yourself. ie., you are that self centered.
As you said, being asked to wear a mask when around other people in public makes you a victim.

HarveyH55 wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

My county is run by nazis... They put us on the mask mandate early. Original plan was for a $600 FINE, or 60 day penalty. Worried me some, but there were exceptions, and my job is a 'essential service'. Got home, first day, to find out the dropped the civil penalties. I've only heard threats of penalties, but don't think anyone has actually had to pay. It's really the businesses that get in trouble, possibly shut down, if they allow no masks, even then, I think it's just the employees.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't wear a mask anywhere, but have been asked to, or refused service. Got one from work, in my glove box, if needed. I certainly would wear it into a business, or someone's home, if requested, other people have rights and liberties too. Mostly, the first few days, I had the mask stuffed in my pocket, but nobody said anything about needing one, and maybe half the people, weren't wearing a mask either.

James___ wrote:
Kind of why everyone should own a gun

James___ wrote:
and every woman should get an abortion. Right?

James___ wrote:
If we don't exercise our rights then we lose them, right?

James___ wrote:
If trying to slow or prevent the spread of a known serious pathogen is an attack on your civil liberties,

James___ wrote:
kind of really means you only care about yourself. ie., you are that self centered.

James___ wrote:
As you said, being asked to wear a mask when around other people in public makes you a victim.

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
and every woman should get an abortion. Right?

Abortion is murder, not a right.

James___ wrote:
And we're back to a person giving up bodily autonomy.

James___ wrote:
Willing to spread a disease that has aborted many lives is the same as willing to abort life because it's your body.

James___ wrote:
And that is exactly what women say, it's their bodily autonomy. They agree with you.

keepit wrote:
Re: freedoms and rights.
We have to buy car insurance in order to protect other people from the financial consequences of our own driving mishaps. As far as i know, noone has the right to abstain from buying car insurance.

keepit wrote:
Re: masks and social distancing.
Suppose you were a person who was having sex with an HIV positive person who didn't inform you that they were HIV positive. Does that HIV positive person have the right to endanger you? Of course not regardless of whether they complain about restrictions of freedom or not.

keepit wrote:
The requirement to wear masks and social distancing is analogous (even though no analogy is perfect).

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
And we're back to a person giving up bodily autonomy.

Not really.

The woman still has full bodily autonomy and exercises that full autonomy at the moment that she decides to spread her legs. She knows full well that if she spreads her legs, then she could potentially become impregnated (thus introducing a separate body/life into her womb).

Xadoman wrote:
I would refuse to wear the mask because I think it might be dangerous. A masks is going to restrict airflow to the lungs which means that the amount of oxygen that reaches to the tissues is less than normal. This could cause a lower immune response to viruses and bugs.

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

Kind of why everyone should own a gun and every woman should get an abortion. Right? If we don't exercise our rights then we lose them, right?
If trying to slow or prevent the spread of a known serious pathogen is an attack on your civil liberties, kind of really means you only care about yourself. ie., you are that self centered.
As you said, being asked to wear a mask when around other people in public makes you a victim.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Nobody lives forever, nothing wrong putting off the inevitable, long as possible, but there comes a point, when a person is mostly just a burden on other people. When my dog gets to old to drag himself out in the backyard, to relieve himself regular, it's time to get him euthanized. I still have the choice, of whether or not, to get another dog.

Xadoman wrote:
I also support Death with Dignity. I have been in deep suicidal depression but I was too afraid of pain to end my life with suicide. Also things could go wrong and you end up in bed paralyzed down the neck unable to do it properly second time. I have never understood those guys who say "just suic".

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
And we're back to a person giving up bodily autonomy.

Not really.

The woman still has full bodily autonomy and exercises that full autonomy at the moment that she decides to spread her legs. She knows full well that if she spreads her legs, then she could potentially become impregnated (thus introducing a separate body/life into her womb).

And you know that by not wearing a mask that you risk infecting others. Couriers can be asymptomatic. And because you're self centered, you don't care if you put others at risk.

Nobi wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
And we're back to a person giving up bodily autonomy.

Not really.

The woman still has full bodily autonomy and exercises that full autonomy at the moment that she decides to spread her legs. She knows full well that if she spreads her legs, then she could potentially become impregnated (thus introducing a separate body/life into her womb).

And you know that by not wearing a mask that you risk infecting others. Couriers can be asymptomatic. And because you're self centered, you don't care if you put others at risk.

most people don't know if they have the virus if they're not showing symptoms (asymptomatic). And nobody is willingly going to get tested everyday to be sure if they carry the virus / any sort of virus that might put others at risk.

The way i see it, the only way for someone to not being called self-centered is when he/she moves far away from civilization, lives in complete recluse, hides in the basement, FOREVER. Only then, he/she won't put others at risk.

And this brings the question: why should i do that? and, would you do that?

keepit wrote: Also, a lot of people will die on the way to herd immunity,

keepit wrote: ... not to mention the other complications that are coming to light such as brain damage, kidney damage, and damage to blood vessels.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

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gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law, so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law, so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it.

Keep your job and just realize that you have a trannical government that has way too much power over the We the People.

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keepit wrote:
2 problems here.
There is a big question of whether immunity lasts 3 months or 1 year or longer. No guarantee yet.

keepit wrote:
Also, a lot of people will die on the way to herd immunity, not to mention the other complications that are coming to light such as brain damage, kidney damage, and damage to blood vessels.

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law (and he's concerned about the fines), so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it. The other part of it that I don't like is that, if I were to quit over it, my employer would be put into quite the pickle, and I'd hate to do that to him.

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law (and he's concerned about the fines), so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it. The other part of it that I don't like is that, if I were to quit over it, my employer would be put into quite the pickle, and I'd hate to do that to him.

You could always sue your governor. I see nothing in your constitution that gives the governor power to mandate such a law.

gfm7175 wrote:
Additionally, from a Christian perspective, I feel that continuing working at where I've been called to work (and complying with the tyrannical county government that God in his infinite wisdom has put into place, since this policy isn't asking me to reject him) would be doing "God's will" rather than doing my own will. But I will prayerfully keep considering where I can best serve him while looking into what other opportunities are out there for me.

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law (and he's concerned about the fines), so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it. The other part of it that I don't like is that, if I were to quit over it, my employer would be put into quite the pickle, and I'd hate to do that to him.

You could always sue your governor. I see nothing in your constitution that gives the governor power to mandate such a law.

I agree. King Evers has himself stated that, while he'd like to implement such a policy on a statewide level, he "likely doesn't have the authority to do that". This, however, is solely the City of Madison and the County of Dane doing it. While Milwaukee County will likely also implement such a policy in the near future, the rest of the counties haven't shown any interest in doing so at the moment. I know that Dane County has already been sued for the prior Emergency Order #7 regarding public gatherings, so I can only assume that they'll soon be sued for this Emergency Order #8 regarding masks. We'll see.

keepit wrote:
The Holy Bible says that God wants us to prosper and BE IN HEALTH even as our soul prospers.

keepit wrote:
Just because the Constitution says we have the right to not wear a mask (Pence) doesn't we are mandated to not wear a mask.

keepit wrote:
We have the option of protecting other people.

keepit wrote:
It's elementary.

keepit wrote:
The Holy Bible says that God wants us to prosper and BE IN HEALTH even as our soul prospers.

Just because the Constitution says we have the right to not wear a mask (Pence) doesn't we are mandated to not wear a mask. We have the option of protecting other people.
It's elementary.

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Additionally, from a Christian perspective, I feel that continuing working at where I've been called to work (and complying with the tyrannical county government that God in his infinite wisdom has put into place, since this policy isn't asking me to reject him) would be doing "God's will" rather than doing my own will. But I will prayerfully keep considering where I can best serve him while looking into what other opportunities are out there for me.

1Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. 19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

James___ wrote:
It is strange that you find reducing the risk of spreading a disease as an unjust act which is against God.

James___ wrote:
What if you become asymptomatic and as a result infect other Christians like yourself

James___ wrote:
who says I am that good

James___ wrote:
and who disagrees with me is bad.

James___ wrote:
And as you say, wearing a mask is bad.

James___ wrote:
What if God doesn't agree with you?

James___ wrote:
But you are a Godly Christian, right?

James___ wrote:
And yet Jesus is the son of God so you're better than he is, right?

James___ wrote:
Didn't Jesus say
1 Peter 4:8: "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins." John 15:12: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

James___ wrote:
But the only thing that matters is that you don't want anyone telling you what to do. That's all you're saying.

James___ wrote:
I mean you're being persecuted as a Christian, right?

James___ wrote:
You're not being persecuted.

James___ wrote:
And I'd be wrong if I said that God would probably want people wearing a mask if it could help prevent suffering by doing such an easy thing.

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
Speaking of covid-19, my uber liberal county that I work in, usually buy groceries in, and even unfortunately live on the edge of, is (as of this upcoming Monday) enacting a policy requiring everyone to wear masks in public (aka, to give up one's own bodily autonomy).

I'm awaiting to see how my employer reacts to the policy (I hope they don't comply with it). I, for one, am not going to be complying with it, even if my employer were to require it, and as of that Monday, I am additionally going to be taking as much of my economic transactions as possible outside of the county (and into neighboring counties instead, since it doesn't take me very long at all to get to those neighboring counties).

On behalf of We the People I appreciate you making a solid statement against tyrannical governments. I cannot be forced to wear red t-shirts if I don't want to wear a t-shirt and I cannot be obligated to wear any sort of mask.

I don't perform for anyone's amusement.

I expect you will not encounter any issues but if you do, you've got a civil lawsuit you can win.

.

Well, I spoke with my employer, and he says that he has to enforce the mask wearing policy because it is city and county law (and he's concerned about the fines), so it's either comply with the policy or quit my job over it. The other part of it that I don't like is that, if I were to quit over it, my employer would be put into quite the pickle, and I'd hate to do that to him.

You could always sue your governor. I see nothing in your constitution that gives the governor power to mandate such a law.

I agree. King Evers has himself stated that, while he'd like to implement such a policy on a statewide level, he "likely doesn't have the authority to do that". This, however, is solely the City of Madison and the County of Dane doing it. While Milwaukee County will likely also implement such a policy in the near future, the rest of the counties haven't shown any interest in doing so at the moment. I know that Dane County has already been sued for the prior Emergency Order #7 regarding public gatherings, so I can only assume that they'll soon be sued for this Emergency Order #8 regarding masks. We'll see.

County government have constitutions also, often called 'county charters'.

Nothing in them can override the State constitution, and nothing in those can override the U.S. Constitution. Same with the cities. They also have a constitution often called a 'city charter'.

How do these cities and counties have magickal powers beyond that given the State sufficient to override your State constitution?

keepit wrote:
The Holy Bible says that God wants us to prosper and BE IN HEALTH even as our soul prospers.

keepit wrote:
Just because the Constitution says we have the right to not wear a mask (Pence) doesn't we are mandated to not wear a mask.

keepit wrote:
We have the option of protecting other people.

keepit wrote:
It's elementary.

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote:
The Holy Bible says that God wants us to prosper and BE IN HEALTH even as our soul prospers.

Just because the Constitution says we have the right to not wear a mask (Pence) doesn't we are mandated to not wear a mask. We have the option of protecting other people.
It's elementary.

Just because the Constitution says we have the right to think as we may doesn't mean we are mandated to delude ourselves into believing that ineffective masks that do nothing to block, or even restrict, viruses will nonetheless somehow protect other people or ourselves from a weak virus that is of no concern anyway.

You have to be extremely gullible to have been duped into believing that your health and the health of others somehow depends on you wearing one of those ineffective masks and looking like a clown for other people's amusement.

It's elementary.

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