Contagion

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Strawman fallacy.

What is?

tmiddles wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:...Not everybody has the shitty government run healthcare that Italy has...

I assume you are implying that the Italian Heathcare system is inferior to the U.S. one?

Infant mortality:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

170 UNITED STATES 5.80
...
210 ITALY 3.30


How does the US healthcare system comare?:
https://international.commonwealthfund.org/stats/mortality_amendable/

" Amenable Mortality"

United States 112
...
Italy 75

keepit wrote:
The increase in the number of deaths is more telling. It doesn't get confused with the issue of testing.

Yeah I think that's the only usable number.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
... Do you have any non-tainted data, i.e. data that isn't the result of financial and political incentives to just jack up the numbers in support of the hoax?.

So what would that look like?

tmiddles wrote:A human doctor puts a cause of death down. Do you think the doctor is in on the hoax.

tmiddles wrote:Again what is the motive for the Italian government?

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
... why do you believe that a weak version of the flu is suddenly killing otherwise healthy adults?

covid19 is much stronger that the flu is typically. I believe what I'm being told on this one because:

gfm7175 wrote:
Ignoring your strawmanning...

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
... Do you have any non-tainted data, i...

So what would that look like?

So that's a "no."

IBdaMann wrote:
Are you asking me if doctors are pressured by management? ..."yes," ...

IBdaMann wrote:...your inescapable political motives.

IBdaMann wrote:1 - There is every reason to lie to support the NEXT hoax in the chain running up to November

IBdaMann wrote:...to prevent the world from associating their abysmal medical care with their socialized medicine.

IBdaMann wrote:This flu is much weaker than those of previous flu seasons.

IBdaMann wrote:1 - There is every reason to lie to support the NEXT hoax in the chain running up to November

tmiddles wrote: I said what is ITALY's motive. You are conveniently dodging this wrinkle in your conspiracy theory. You seem to acknowledge Italy does not have a motive related to November but trot out the November theory anyway.

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

James___ wrote: It might be getting ready to get bad.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: It might be getting ready to get bad.

This whole thing could instantly evaporate if we were to just resume activities as normal.


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gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: It might be getting ready to get bad.

This whole thing could instantly evaporate if we were to just resume activities as normal.

Too bad plenty of people like James are irrationally afraid of a big fat nothing-burger...

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

Yup... COVID-19, according to those numbers, is spreading at the oh so "insanely high" infection rate of 0.005%... I think I might shit myself... good thing I got some toilet paper...

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: It might be getting ready to get bad.

This whole thing could instantly evaporate if we were to just resume activities as normal.

Too bad plenty of people like James are irrationally afraid of a big fat nothing-burger...

In his defense, someone at the DNC *did* declare this to be a "pandemic" so maybe irrational panic is warranted.


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James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

Yup... COVID-19, according to those numbers, is spreading at the oh so "insanely high" infection rate of 0.005%... I think I might shit myself... good thing I got some toilet paper...

Toilet paper? If you had a bag like me you wouldn't need it

Nothing like taking a nice dump at the dinner table. No wiping necessary. The crudeness was for you. I don't have a dinner table.
And like you keep saying, social distancing is working just like my colostomy. Sometimes we just need to accept what diseases can do, right? After all, having a colostomy isn't my ideal of fun and I think with the coronavirus, a lot of people feel the same way about that as well.

And this is what they're saying now;
The United States now leads the world with over 100,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases, overtaking China and Italy, and over 1,400 deaths.

gfm7175 wrote:
You okay there James?

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
You okay there James?

Depends on how you look at it. My intestines are in wrong and if I get too active it can cause a significant amount of trauma. But since I can't work because of it things are getting better for me. Of course this is because if what I know is correct, it will help the EU and Germany. And I doubt this will help me in the US. I'm simply on the wrong continent. So if I can get to Germany, then I can hopefully receive the surgery I need. For me, that's a little extreme but if it's what I need to do then I'll have to keep working at my project.

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
You okay there James?

Depends on how you look at it. My intestines are in wrong and if I get too active it can cause a significant amount of trauma. But since I can't work because of it things are getting better for me. Of course this is because if what I know is correct, it will help the EU and Germany. And I doubt this will help me in the US. I'm simply on the wrong continent. So if I can get to Germany, then I can hopefully receive the surgery I need. For me, that's a little extreme but if it's what I need to do then I'll have to keep working at my project.

I'll take that as a no.

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
You okay there James?

Depends on how you look at it. My intestines are in wrong and if I get too active it can cause a significant amount of trauma. But since I can't work because of it things are getting better for me. Of course this is because if what I know is correct, it will help the EU and Germany. And I doubt this will help me in the US. I'm simply on the wrong continent. So if I can get to Germany, then I can hopefully receive the surgery I need. For me, that's a little extreme but if it's what I need to do then I'll have to keep working at my project.

I'll take that as a no.

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

It seems that Covid 19 is spiking. These are the numbers I saw online;

Confirmed 235,787 +35,897
Deaths 5,764 +1,384
Recovered 10,324 +1,617

I think it was 50,000 cases and 1,000 deaths a week ago. And with the swine flu pandemic of 2009/2010, 12,000 people died.

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

As a rate of growth? I've been watching these numbers closely but I can only find one day on March 22 where the number of new cases declined from the day before in the US. Otherwise, it appears the number of new cases has always increased from the day before.

This is fascinating to me. With all the unknowns, different approaches to cure/slow, and some ridiculous politics mixed in, this is quite the shitshow of "experts" we've seen lately.

The link below is the website I've been using. It very detailed with clickable spreadsheet and clickable sources. I can't seem to find any propaganda here
but if anyone finds any, let me know.

Thanks!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

As a rate of growth? I've been watching these numbers closely but I can only find one day on March 22 where the number of new cases declined from the day before in the US. Otherwise, it appears the number of new cases has always increased from the day before.

This is fascinating to me. With all the unknowns, different approaches to cure/slow, and some ridiculous politics mixed in, this is quite the shitshow of "experts" we've seen lately.

The link below is the website I've been using. It very detailed with clickable spreadsheet and clickable sources. I can't seem to find any propaganda here
but if anyone finds any, let me know.

Thanks!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

HarveyH55 wrote:
The numbers are still misleading, since more people are getting tested, quicker. They really don't give the total number of people tested. They just give confirmed positive, hospitalized, recovered, and dead. The scary numbers... There doesn't seem to be much interesting in testing people, that would show, if they were already infected, and recovered. It's still cold and flu season, which kills about 30,000/year. Sort of wondering if hospitals are just re-branding all severe respiratory infections, as Covid-19, so they get more government assistance (money).

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The numbers are still misleading, since more people are getting tested, quicker. They really don't give the total number of people tested. They just give confirmed positive, hospitalized, recovered, and dead. The scary numbers... There doesn't seem to be much interesting in testing people, that would show, if they were already infected, and recovered. It's still cold and flu season, which kills about 30,000/year. Sort of wondering if hospitals are just re-branding all severe respiratory infections, as Covid-19, so they get more government assistance (money).

All valid points. Despite the increased testing, however, the infection rate seems to be going down, according to the CDC data.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The numbers are still misleading, since more people are getting tested, quicker. They really don't give the total number of people tested. They just give confirmed positive, hospitalized, recovered, and dead. The scary numbers... There doesn't seem to be much interesting in testing people, that would show, if they were already infected, and recovered. It's still cold and flu season, which kills about 30,000/year. Sort of wondering if hospitals are just re-branding all severe respiratory infections, as Covid-19, so they get more government assistance (money).

All valid points. Despite the increased testing, however, the infection rate seems to be going down, according to the CDC data.

are you sure the number of cases should be going up in the spring?

I get it Harvey. You're over 60 and are scared. Right? I am.
In your age group it has a mortality rate over 10%. That means for every 10 people like you, 1 of you will die.
All I can say is stay safe and practice social distancing. It has nothing to do with politics.

When shopping, maintain 6 feet or 2 meters as a safe distance. We might not like you but we'd hate to lose you.

p.s., here, you are family.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The numbers are still misleading, since more people are getting tested, quicker. They really don't give the total number of people tested. They just give confirmed positive, hospitalized, recovered, and dead. The scary numbers... There doesn't seem to be much interesting in testing people, that would show, if they were already infected, and recovered. It's still cold and flu season, which kills about 30,000/year. Sort of wondering if hospitals are just re-branding all severe respiratory infections, as Covid-19, so they get more government assistance (money).

All valid points. Despite the increased testing, however, the infection rate seems to be going down, according to the CDC data.

are you sure the number of cases should be going up in the spring?

I get it Harvey. You're over 60 and are scared. Right? I am.
In your age group it has a mortality rate over 10%. That means for every 10 people like you, 1 of you will die.
All I can say is stay safe and practice social distancing. It has nothing to do with politics.

When shopping, maintain 6 feet or 2 meters as a safe distance. We might not like you but we'd hate to lose you.

p.s., here, you are family.

Still got 13 years until retirement, no underlying health issues. Don't worry about me, I'll survive just fine. Fortunately, I'm well above average height, coughers would need to aim upward... The real key, is to just keep your filthy hands off your face. I haven't really change much of anything. I stay at home more, but have plenty to keep me busy around the house. Weather has been really nice, 90s, and little to no rain. I would like to take the drone down to the lake, but not sure if I'd get away with it. Flew out of the backyard, and around the neighborhood, but no much worth seeing.

You seem really scared of this cold virus for some reason. Sorry, I don't share your concern. Guess you are hiding in your basement, like Joe Biden, with your thousand rolls of toilet paper. I've only got 11 rolls left, maybe I'll get lucky one of these times, and Walmart will have some in stock, during my weekly grocery shopping. Probably good enough to last most of the summer. If not, I'll figure something out. Probably be able to buy some at work, it is a grocery distribution warehouse...

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

As a rate of growth? I've been watching these numbers closely but I can only find one day on March 22 where the number of new cases declined from the day before in the US. Otherwise, it appears the number of new cases has always increased from the day before.

This is fascinating to me. With all the unknowns, different approaches to cure/slow, and some ridiculous politics mixed in, this is quite the shitshow of "experts" we've seen lately.

The link below is the website I've been using. It very detailed with clickable spreadsheet and clickable sources. I can't seem to find any propaganda here
but if anyone finds any, let me know.

Thanks!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That site does not have the infection rates. Use the CDC data.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

As a rate of growth? I've been watching these numbers closely but I can only find one day on March 22 where the number of new cases declined from the day before in the US. Otherwise, it appears the number of new cases has always increased from the day before.

This is fascinating to me. With all the unknowns, different approaches to cure/slow, and some ridiculous politics mixed in, this is quite the shitshow of "experts" we've seen lately.

The link below is the website I've been using. It very detailed with clickable spreadsheet and clickable sources. I can't seem to find any propaganda here
but if anyone finds any, let me know.

Thanks!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That site does not have the infection rates. Use the CDC data.

It does have infections/deaths per million population. If they would add one more column and put population density values next to infections per million, I think it might be helpful to see what is going on and where.

Places of interest to me would be Sweden, South Korea, Japan, India, California, and some TRUTHFUL data out of China, which we'll never get.

Some of these places have done things far different than grinding life to a halt, and have come out with similar or even better results than the US.

Always have to be careful of the "stump Trump" efforts. Already talk of his ignorance for not acting soon enough. Ridiculous.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

It seems that Covid 19 is spiking. These are the numbers I saw online;

Confirmed 235,787 +35,897
Deaths 5,764 +1,384
Recovered 10,324 +1,617

I think it was 50,000 cases and 1,000 deaths a week ago. And with the swine flu pandemic of 2009/2010, 12,000 people died.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
According to the CDC, the number of new cases in the United States is dropping.

As a rate of growth? I've been watching these numbers closely but I can only find one day on March 22 where the number of new cases declined from the day before in the US. Otherwise, it appears the number of new cases has always increased from the day before.

This is fascinating to me. With all the unknowns, different approaches to cure/slow, and some ridiculous politics mixed in, this is quite the shitshow of "experts" we've seen lately.

The link below is the website I've been using. It very detailed with clickable spreadsheet and clickable sources. I can't seem to find any propaganda here
but if anyone finds any, let me know.

Thanks!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That site does not have the infection rates. Use the CDC data.

It does have infections/deaths per million population. If they would add one more column and put population density values next to infections per million, I think it might be helpful to see what is going on and where.

Places of interest to me would be Sweden, South Korea, Japan, India, California, and some TRUTHFUL data out of China, which we'll never get.

Some of these places have done things far different than grinding life to a halt, and have come out with similar or even better results than the US.

Always have to be careful of the "stump Trump" efforts. Already talk of his ignorance for not acting soon enough. Ridiculous.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
It seems like in the last 2 days that in the US there are 35,000 new cases of Covid 19 and 200+ deaths. It might be getting ready to get bad.

It seems that Covid 19 is spiking. These are the numbers I saw online;

Confirmed 235,787 +35,897
Deaths 5,764 +1,384
Recovered 10,324 +1,617

I think it was 50,000 cases and 1,000 deaths a week ago. And with the swine flu pandemic of 2009/2010, 12,000 people died.

And now 2 days later, 40,000 new cases and 2,000 deaths. In 2 weeks it has gone from a few thousand cases to 277,000. It's not showing any signs of slowing down. In another week it might catch up with the swine flu pandemic that lasted from January 2009 to August 2010. Just to give an idea of how severe it is.