Confirmed: Global floods, droughts worsening with warming

Confirmed: Global floods, droughts worsening with warming
By ISABELLA O'MALLEY
Associated Press
The intensity of extreme drought and rainfall has "sharply" increased over the past 20 years, according to a study published Monday in the journal Nature Water. These aren't merely tough weather events, they are leading to extremes such as crop failure, infrastructure damage, even humanitarian crises and conflict.

The big picture on water comes from data from a pair of satellites known as GRACE, or Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment, that were used to measure changes in Earth's water storage — the sum of all the water on and in the land, including groundwater, surface water, ice, and snow.

"It's incredible that we can now monitor the pulse of continental water from outer space," said Park Williams, a bioclimatologist at the University of California, Los Angeles who was not involved with the study.

"I have a feeling when future generations look back and try to determine when humanity really began understanding the planet as a whole, this will be one of the studies highlighted," he said.

The researchers say the data confirms that both frequency and intensity of rainfall and droughts are increasing due to burning fossil fuels and other human activity that releases greenhouse gases.

"I was surprised to see how well correlated the global intensity was with global mean temperatures," said Matthew Rodell, study author and deputy director of Earth sciences for hydrosphere, biosphere, and geophysics at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

The strong link between these climate extremes and rising global average temperatures means continued global warming will mean more drought and rainstorms that are worse by many measures — more frequent, more severe, longer and larger.

Researchers looked at 1,056 events from 2002-2021 using a novel algorithm that identifies where the land is much wetter or drier than normal.

That showed the most extreme rains keep happening in sub-Saharan Africa, at least through December 2021, the end of the data. The rainfall extremes also took place in central and eastern North America from 2018-2021, and Australia during 2011-2012.

The most intense droughts were a record-breaking one in northeastern South America from 2015-2016; an event in the Cerrado region of Brazil that began in 2019 and continues; and the ongoing drought in the American Southwest that has caused dangerously low water levels in two of the biggest U.S. reservoirs, Lake Mead and Lake Powell. Those remain low despite heavy rains this year.

Drought events outnumbered heavy rain events by 10%. Their geographic extents and how long they lasted were similar.

A warmer atmosphere increases the rate at which water evaporates during dry periods. It also holds more water vapor, which fuels heavy rainfall events.

The study noted that infrastructure like airports and sewage treatment plants that were designed to withstand once-in-a-100-year events are becoming more challenged as these extremes happen more often and with more intensity.

"Looking forward into the future, in terms of managing water resources and flood control, we should be anticipating that the wetter extremes will be wetter and the dry extremes will get drier," said Richard Seager, a climate scientist at the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, who was not involved with the study.

Seager said it's a mistake to assume that future wet and dry extremes can be managed the same as in the past because "everything's going to get amplified on both ends of the dry-wet spectrum."

According to the U.S. National Integrated Drought Information System, 20% of the annual economic losses from extreme weather events in the U.S. are from floods and droughts.

A drastic swing between extreme drought and unprecedented flooding, dubbed "weather whiplash," is becoming common in some regions.

Water stress is expected to significantly affect poor, disenfranchised communities as well as ecosystems that have been underfunded and exploited.

For example, the United Nations has said that Somalia is experiencing its longest and most severe drought, an event that has caused the deaths of millions of livestock and widespread hunger. Venezuela, a country that has faced years of political and economic crises, resorted to nationwide power cuts during April 2016 as a result of the drought conditions affecting water levels of the Guri Dam.

As for solutions, using floodwaters to replenish depleted aquifers and improving the health of agricultural soil so it can absorb water better and store more carbon are just a few methods that could improve water resiliency in a warming world, the study says.

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HarveyH55 wrote:20 years of 'data', they believe the fully understand the past, present, and future weather...

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:20 years of 'data', they believe the fully understand the past, present, and future weather...

Suppose you were flipping a (well-balanced) coin, any result of which could either be "heads" or "tails." How many consecutive coin flip results do you think you would need to record in order to be able to predict the subsequent future coin flips?

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:20 years of 'data', they believe the fully understand the past, present, and future weather...

Suppose you were flipping a (well-balanced) coin, any result of which could either be "heads" or "tails." How many consecutive coin flip results do you think you would need to record in order to be able to predict the subsequent future coin flips?

In a schizophrenic mind the climate can be compared to a coin flip. As you just did.

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:20 years of 'data', they believe the fully understand the past, present, and future weather...

Suppose you were flipping a (well-balanced) coin, any result of which could either be "heads" or "tails." How many consecutive coin flip results do you think you would need to record in order to be able to predict the subsequent future coin flips?

HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:20 years of 'data', they believe the fully understand the past, present, and future weather...

Suppose you were flipping a (well-balanced) coin, any result of which could either be "heads" or "tails." How many consecutive coin flip results do you think you would need to record in order to be able to predict the subsequent future coin flips?

I'll wait for the 130 IQ to answer that. Life is too short... It was just amusing that mostly climate-crusaders states are cursing their solar panels. Drought-prone California is getting plenty of water now. Going on 4 weeks straight. Certainly, much of their gift from God, is going to flow straight out to sea. Carbon-capture? They would have done better to capture some rain water, for later in the year.

Swan wrote:In a schizophrenic mind the climate can be compared to a coin flip. As you just did.

Swan wrote:To a schizzo a coin flip is the same thing as a tornado

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:In a schizophrenic mind the climate can be compared to a coin flip. As you just did.

A rational mind will recognize random events for what they are and will treat them as such. A paranoid schizophrenic mind will see delusional "forces" exerting control in ways that the rational do not see.

Tell me again how "scientists" somehow assign a value to a photon ... or how they even know where it is. I mean, they have special "powers", right?

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:To a schizzo a coin flip is the same thing as a tornado

How do you know this?

Swan wrote:Says the idiot who claims that Einstein proved that quantum entanglement does not exist when in reality he discovered it.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Says the idiot who claims that Einstein proved that quantum entanglement does not exist when in reality he discovered it.

Says the gullible idiot who was totally fooled by the quantum computing hoax. Who are you claiming discovered quantum entanglement? Einstein or I?

Anyway, nobody discovered quantum entanglement because it doesn't exist to be discovered. You have never explained how thientithts somehow keep track of two entangled particles. You never realized that all "announcements" are specifically timed to keep stock values high and that all claim that entangled particles/photons are "unstable" and are "lost" after microseconds. You still haven't caught on.

But sure, it's all totally real.

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HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Swan wrote:Again quantum entanglement is real

Swan wrote: ... and it was discovered by Einstein

Swan wrote: Seriously, are you an FBI special agent

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Again quantum entanglement is real

Again, quantum entanglement is a hoax sold to gullibles who, in turn, keep share values high because they totally fall for the hoax.

Swan wrote: ... and it was discovered by Einstein

Too funny. So I am not merely reminding you, but am actually TEACHING you that nothing that is purely theoretical has ever been "discovered." If it had been discovered, it wouldn't be purely theoretical. You should have learned this when you were a child. You need to find those negligent people who were supposed to be ensuring your education and have a "Come to Jesus" talk with them. They did you a huge disservice.

Quantum entanglement is a purely theoretical idea that Einstein fully discredited. Einstein wouldn't have discredited the existence of something that he discovered. I'm beginning to see just how easy it is to fool you; no plausibility is even required.

Swan wrote: Seriously, are you an FBI special agent

... and do I smile seriously when I'm serious?


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Swan wrote:Wrong again because when Einstein discovered quantum entanglement,

Swan wrote:[Einstein] was not promoting any stock.

Swan wrote: Quantum physics is notable for its brazen defiance of common sense.

Swan wrote: (Think of Schrödinger's Cat, famously both dead and alive.)

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Wrong again because when Einstein discovered quantum entanglement,

Too funny. I forgot that you are too stupid to learn. Quantum entanglement is a purely theoretical speculation. No one has ever "discovered" it. Einstein did, however, show that nothing of the sort is possible. Hucksters use it today as a techie-hoax ... and you fell for it. You're gullible in that way. You've probably always been gullible.

Swan wrote:[Einstein] was not promoting any stock.

... nor was he promoting any hoax.

Swan wrote: Quantum physics is notable for its brazen defiance of common sense.

You are directly quoting someone who is taking advantage of your gullibility.

Quantum Mechanics is not physics; it's math. That's why there is a "collapsing wave function". Quantum Mechanics doesn't predict nature as science does. Quantum mechanics (math) tells you that what you observed is the possibility that actually ended up happening and you say "No shit!" Quantum mechanics simply gave you the probabilities of each possibility beforehand, but it has no power of prediction.

You know there is no such thing as quantum entanglement because you know that there is no possible way to somehow keep track of particles that are supposedly "entangled."

Swan wrote: (Think of Schrödinger's Cat, famously both dead and alive.)

Except that that is not reality. The cat is either alive or dead, and quantum mechanics (math) identifies both of those simultaneous possibilities. Stupid, gullible morons use the words "The cat *is* both alive and dead at the same time." Rational adults use the correct wording "The cat is either alive or dead but we won't know until we check." It's when we check that we discover which possibility won out and we discard all the other possibilities, called "collapsing the wave function."

So, anyone wishing to fight gibber-babble with gibber-babble can use the phrase "collapse the wave function" instead of "find out", e.g. "We should collapse the wave function on when GasGuzzler will be barbecuing peanut butter venison."

All of the mystery of quantum mechanics comes from the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the error introduced just from the observing/measuring.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

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Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

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What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

HarveyH55 wrote:
The 'drought' conditions have been there long as anyone can recall. It's just part of the environment, it's climate. Not ideal for man's purposes, but tolerable. They do get a lot of rain and snow too, but it's a short season, so they prefer to channel excesses out to sea. Then, whine and complain later in the year. Water storage can be tough, since if it's not moving, it stagnates, and doesn't stay 'fresh' for long. Even stagnated water, is still useful, can be filtered and purified. Still good enough for agriculture, and many other uses.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

And what would cause that to change?

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

And what would cause that to change?

Retards building a dam in the desert because at the time it seemed like a good idea. All the migratory fish began vanishing immediately, but environmental shi-wads like you ignore that for some reason. A drought in a desert is impossible, as if there was water there would be no desert. So technically a full lake meade is an environmental catastrophe, because all the cacti were drowned. Besides I will literally giggle as mexifornia suffers. Hoover did not give a shit about the environment, because Hoover dam destroyed the natural ecosystem just to make electricity for mob casinos and to put a few people to work temporarily.

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The 'drought' conditions have been there long as anyone can recall. It's just part of the environment, it's climate. Not ideal for man's purposes, but tolerable. They do get a lot of rain and snow too, but it's a short season, so they prefer to channel excesses out to sea. Then, whine and complain later in the year. Water storage can be tough, since if it's not moving, it stagnates, and doesn't stay 'fresh' for long. Even stagnated water, is still useful, can be filtered and purified. Still good enough for agriculture, and many other uses.

Lake Mead water level has been heading lower since 2000

https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/lakemead_line.pdf

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

And what would cause that to change?

Retards building a dam in the desert because at the time it seemed like a good idea. All the migratory fish began vanishing immediately, but environmental shi-wads like you ignore that for some reason. A drought in a desert is impossible, as if there was water there would be no desert. So technically a full lake meade is an environmental catastrophe, because all the cacti were drowned. Besides I will literally giggle as mexifornia suffers. Hoover did not give a shit about the environment, because Hoover dam destroyed the natural ecosystem just to make electricity for mob casinos and to put a few people to work temporarily.

There are 4 dams being destroyed, to restore salmon populations, along the Klamath River, in CA & OR, over the next couple years.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-largest-ever-dam-demolition-will-restore-salmon-habitat-180981190/

Is that what you are implying be done to Hoover Dam?

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The 'drought' conditions have been there long as anyone can recall. It's just part of the environment, it's climate. Not ideal for man's purposes, but tolerable. They do get a lot of rain and snow too, but it's a short season, so they prefer to channel excesses out to sea. Then, whine and complain later in the year. Water storage can be tough, since if it's not moving, it stagnates, and doesn't stay 'fresh' for long. Even stagnated water, is still useful, can be filtered and purified. Still good enough for agriculture, and many other uses.

Lake Mead water level has been heading lower since 2000

https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/lakemead_line.pdf

A dam is primarily used to control the flow of a river. The water has to flow at a certain minimal rate to produce electricity. Lot of development and population increase over 20 years. Higher demand on electricity, not to mention the folks down stream demanding more water, and agriculture. It was going to happen eventually. The dam was designed to fill the projected needs for decades, and it did. Even exceeded expectations. But, it was never expected to last forever. The demand would exceed the capacity eventually. They expected something else to replace it. Like nuclear or fusion power generation. Without running the generators at maximum output, the retained water would last much longer for other uses. Nobody wanted to spend the money to keep up with demand, when the one dam was doing good enough to get by on most of the time.

Swan wrote: everyone knew but no one cared.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: everyone knew but no one cared.

Right. Exactly. Nobody cares.

... but I order you to drone on about it nonetheless.

Get to it.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

And what would cause that to change?

Retards building a dam in the desert because at the time it seemed like a good idea. All the migratory fish began vanishing immediately, but environmental shi-wads like you ignore that for some reason. A drought in a desert is impossible, as if there was water there would be no desert. So technically a full lake meade is an environmental catastrophe, because all the cacti were drowned. Besides I will literally giggle as mexifornia suffers. Hoover did not give a shit about the environment, because Hoover dam destroyed the natural ecosystem just to make electricity for mob casinos and to put a few people to work temporarily.

There are 4 dams being destroyed, to restore salmon populations, along the Klamath River, in CA & OR, over the next couple years.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-largest-ever-dam-demolition-will-restore-salmon-habitat-180981190/

Is that what you are implying be done to Hoover Dam?

Salmon are river specific, as they always return to the same river year after year. So within several years of building any dam, all of the fish from that river system that need to migrate are extinct. So how do you restore EXTINCT species that were totally destroyed by the dams in hundreds of rivers?

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

California has been having a drought 'crisis' far back as I can remember. They finally get a 'gift' from above,

My drought barometer of choice is lake Mead water levels.

Let's see if they bottom around 1044 feet... still seems too soon to tell... and looks like they probably will be lower than that level by autumn 2023

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

Lake Meade means nothing because building a city on an artificial reservoir was and always will be a dumb idea. See Vegas was a desert long before Lake MEade even existed

Whatever lake Mead means to you, or whether Nevada's urban planning is smart or dumb, Lake Mead is still going to be a good barometer of the Western State's drought conditions.

Nope, because lake meade is manmade as are the cities built in the desert where there never was water to begin with. See if there was nothing but the cacti that were meant to be there, then there is no drought as the cacti would be just fine.

130

What are you implying?

It would take another 5 years straight of bad drought before it became a dead pool.

Surely it can be used as a barometer of drought conditions for at least the next 5 years, no?

Nope because the issue is not lack of water but people and industry built in a desert. No people, no homes, no businesses then there is no drought, just happy cacti that need nothing but the morning dew and 100 degree sunshine to live.

And what would cause that to change?

Retards building a dam in the desert because at the time it seemed like a good idea. All the migratory fish began vanishing immediately, but environmental shi-wads like you ignore that for some reason. A drought in a desert is impossible, as if there was water there would be no desert. So technically a full lake meade is an environmental catastrophe, because all the cacti were drowned. Besides I will literally giggle as mexifornia suffers. Hoover did not give a shit about the environment, because Hoover dam destroyed the natural ecosystem just to make electricity for mob casinos and to put a few people to work temporarily.

There are 4 dams being destroyed, to restore salmon populations, along the Klamath River, in CA & OR, over the next couple years.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-largest-ever-dam-demolition-will-restore-salmon-habitat-180981190/

Is that what you are implying be done to Hoover Dam?

Salmon are river specific, as they always return to the same river year after year. So within several years of building any dam, all of the fish from that river system that need to migrate are extinct. So how do you restore EXTINCT species that were totally destroyed by the dams in hundreds of rivers?

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

Did you skip your meds, again? There are many rivers and streams, that don't have dams... salmon are doing just fine, not extinct. Google 'fish ladder'. Also, many fish are caught, and taken to fish hatcheries, were their eggs get fertilized, until the babies hatch, and fed until large enough to release in another non-dam location. Which is where they return to spawn, instead of getting shredded in turbine blades.

https://thegorgeguide.com/bonneville-dam-visitor-center/

Went Bonneville Dam a times as a child (school field trips).

Swan wrote:

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
The 'drought' conditions have been there long as anyone can recall. It's just part of the environment, it's climate. Not ideal for man's purposes, but tolerable. They do get a lot of rain and snow too, but it's a short season, so they prefer to channel excesses out to sea. Then, whine and complain later in the year. Water storage can be tough, since if it's not moving, it stagnates, and doesn't stay 'fresh' for long. Even stagnated water, is still useful, can be filtered and purified. Still good enough for agriculture, and many other uses.

Lake Mead water level has been heading lower since 2000

https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/lakemead_line.pdf

A dam is primarily used to control the flow of a river. The water has to flow at a certain minimal rate to produce electricity. Lot of development and population increase over 20 years. Higher demand on electricity, not to mention the folks down stream demanding more water, and agriculture. It was going to happen eventually. The dam was designed to fill the projected needs for decades, and it did. Even exceeded expectations. But, it was never expected to last forever. The demand would exceed the capacity eventually. They expected something else to replace it. Like nuclear or fusion power generation. Without running the generators at maximum output, the retained water would last much longer for other uses. Nobody wanted to spend the money to keep up with demand, when the one dam was doing good enough to get by on most of the time.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

I'm delusional? You are the one who said Lake Mead water levels won't be measured any more in less than 5 years because the Hoover dam killed salmon.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

I'm delusional? You are the one who said Lake Mead water levels won't be measured any more in less than 5 years because the Hoover dam killed salmon.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

I'm delusional? You are the one who said Lake Mead water levels won't be measured any more in less than 5 years because the Hoover dam killed salmon.

You give up already delusional one?

Quote that please?

That is if you can.

Otherwise, you are a silly and spoiled little child, who joyfully eats dogs and cats cooked alive.

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

Your entire life is a delusion as you can only think what they programmed you to think

I'm delusional? You are the one who said Lake Mead water levels won't be measured any more in less than 5 years because the Hoover dam killed salmon.

Quote that please?

That is if you can.

Otherwise, you are a silly and spoiled little child, who joyfully eats dogs and cats cooked alive.