21-02-2021 21:53 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14377) |
James___ wrote: Back to the hydrogen atom, it's called the smallest because it has only 1 nuclei in its nucleus. All molecules have one nucleus. That's why it's called the molecule's nucleus and not its nuclei. James___ wrote: To say that only aspect of a hydrogen atom defines it is an insult in science. You just pulled keepit's goalpost shift. Stay focused. We were discussing the atom's size, not its definition. The atom's radius is the only measure of its size. Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff. . Attached image: |
21-02-2021 22:12 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: Back to the hydrogen atom, it's called the smallest because it has only 1 nuclei in its nucleus. son, nuclei refers to both neutrons and protons that form the nucleus of an atom. From a physics website [url]In 1911, Ernest Rutherford discovered that at the core of every atom is a nucleus. Atomic nuclei consist of electrically positive protons and electrically neutral neutrons. https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsnuclei[/url] Maybe I should have used "child speak" and said that hydrogen atoms have only 1 component in their nuclei? Am just not sure why you didn't know that grownups say nuclei. After all, if you have 2 hydrogen atoms then it is nuclei and not nucleus. It's plural. And with helium, it has 4 components in its nucleus/nuclei. Feel better? If you were more familiar with physics I wouldn't need to use "child speak" son. Still, for all intents and purposes, hydrogen is the smallest atom. Edited on 21-02-2021 22:13 |
21-02-2021 22:16 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14377) |
HarveyH55 wrote: The periodic table was developed as a quick, handy reference for chemists, where all the most frequently needed information is on a simple chart. Harvey, I totally groove on what you are saying ... except that there is a reason it is called the "Periodic Table of the Elements" and not the "Atomic Values Listing" The periodic table is itself an amazing model of matter that coincidentally makes for a great look-up chart, but that is incidental. The fact that there are 18 items per row, identifying the left-hand column as volatile elements and the right-hand column as stable elements, and some items as groups, e.g. lanthanoids, actinoids, etc.. explains/guides users as to the bahavior of matter, over and above their respective numerical values. The periodic table provides such governance to chemists through shell configurations, melting and boiling points, oxidation states, ionization, etc., i.e. an entire host of characteristics that define behavior and not just static measurements and allow users to predict how matter will behave. The periodic table is a model, not just a listing. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
21-02-2021 22:36 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14377) |
James___ wrote: son, nuclei refers to both neutrons and protons that form the nucleus of an atom. Nope. The protons and neutrons that comprise the nucleus of a molecule are called "protons" and "neutrons" respectively. When you have multiple molecules you then have multiple nuclei. Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff. Oh, btw ... notice how you are about 18 picometers bigger when you are in hydrogen. . Attached image: |
21-02-2021 23:09 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: son, nuclei refers to both neutrons and protons that form the nucleus of an atom. And yet beta radiation is a radioactive isotope of helium. If you don't get it, the nucleus of an atom could be composed of nuclei. ie., a general term for protons and neutrons can be nuclei. It's all a part of the composition and thus is what it is. Why when its strong force weakens or is weakened it would lose a part of its nuclei. But you haven't read anything like text books which get into nuclear physics, have you? At the same time, it is considered that the hydrogen atom is the smallest. It's radius for the most part doesn't matter. It's just that it's composed of so little is why. Debating semantics is counterproductive. Kind of why your friend the Ferengi compares my pursuit to "alchemy" when it's not. At least ITN understood that I am hoping to demonstrate a new theory in atmospheric chemistry and physics. It's just that I would be bring astrophysics into play. p.s., what is the possessive tense of nucleus? Nuclei? It works for me. But good job on your web search son. Next, search beta radiation. Edited on 21-02-2021 23:12 |
22-02-2021 00:00 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14377) |
James___ wrote: And yet beta radiation is a radioactive isotope of helium. There is no beta radiation that is an isotope of any element. James___ wrote: If you don't get it, the nucleus of an atom could be composed of nuclei. ie., a general term for protons and neutrons can be nuclei. No. It cannot be and it cannot be. James___ wrote: At the same time, it is considered that the hydrogen atom is the smallest. Nope. The helium atom is the smallest. No other atom is somehow "considered" to be the smallest. James___ wrote: It's radius for the most part doesn't matter. Its radius is all that matters. James___ wrote: It's just that it's composed of so little is why. Size is not mass. Mass is not size. A ruggedized military power generator has not somehow become bigger than a bouncy castle since the last couple of posts. James___ wrote:Debating semantics is counterproductive. Semantics is all that can be debated. Do you know what semantic are? James___ wrote: p.s., what is the possessive tense of nucleus? There is no such thing as a possessive tense. There is a present progressive tense and a past perfect tense but no possessive tense. There is a possessive pronoun and in the case of a nucleus that pronoun is "its." Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff. . Attached image: Edited on 22-02-2021 00:02 |
22-02-2021 00:10 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: And yet beta radiation is a radioactive isotope of helium. OMG son, you can ask for salvation. Seriously though, 2He which is also known as 2/4He (2protons/4 ? in it's nucleus) is beta radiation. If you ever heard of the Incredible Hulk, he was affected by gamma radiation. Gamma radiation is radioactive wave energy while beta radiation is radioactive particle radiation. If you want me to keep calling you son, you do need to know these basic differences in nuclear physics. Some will call it "atomic" physics, same thing. It is all my fault son, I thought I had taught you better. I have to accept how I failed you in this way. Edited on 22-02-2021 00:12 |
22-02-2021 00:16 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3055) |
And yet one of the isotopes of He is a boson. I think it's He4 |
22-02-2021 00:34 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
keepit wrote: I think this is where you're getting into particle physics. Boson's are are a group of particles that the Einstein-Bose Condensate Theorem quantifies (not familiar with particle physics? then the term predicts might be more to your liking?). Originally there were 6 types of such particles but the group has grown over time. Are we sure that we want to get into theoretical physics? That's the area where bosons are considered to exist. I mean this discussion could get interesting. At the same time, particle physics might be best avoided. Edited on 22-02-2021 00:36 |
22-02-2021 00:38 | |
HarveyH55★★★★★ (5195) |
IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: And yet beta radiation is a radioactive isotope of helium. Are you making fun of his Norwegian accent again? Lot of people living in America, never learn to speak proper English, let alone read or write. Sometimes have to make allowances... |
22-02-2021 00:45 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
HarveyH55 wrote: Because of who I am Harvey, I like this song. As for you, we're brothers of a sort. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoJiTP5XZo |
22-02-2021 01:42 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14377) |
HarveyH55 wrote: Are you making fun of his Norwegian accent again? I'm just not sure how someone can be led to believe that the radiation emitted by an isotope ... is the isotope itself. The isotope is not the radiation; the radiation is not the isotope. . Attached image: |
22-02-2021 01:48 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
IBdaMann wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: Are you making fun of his Norwegian accent again? son, this is sad. I doubt this forum is the place to discuss nuclear physics and radioactive decay. This is getting into death and what kills. We're not talking about cancer but about people. If you don't get it, things have taken a dark turn but not as in Alan Turing. ie., The movie The Imitation Game. It's worth watching. I'm not gay but as a person, it helps to understand human nature. Edited on 22-02-2021 01:55 |
22-02-2021 03:08 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell. Atoms are not energy. The hydrogen atom is more reactive than the helium atom. James___ wrote: Because hydrogen is more reactive then helium. James___ wrote: Atoms do not have 'shells'. James___ wrote: Buzzwords are not science, James. James___ wrote: Chemistry is not political, James. James___ wrote: Already there. James___ wrote: Trump is not God. Antifa and BLM and the Democrats are responsible for the capitol riots. James___ wrote: Hydrogen is not the smallest atom. Helium is. All atoms have only one nucleus. A nuclei is not in a nucleus. It is the plural of nucleus. Learn English. James___ wrote: There is only one aspect that defines hydrogen...the number of protons in it's nucleus. Science is not a thing that is 'insulted'. It is not possible to insult science. It has no emotion. It does not take offense. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:09 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
keepit wrote: Semantics fallacy. There are no shells in atoms. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:11 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
HarveyH55 wrote: So where on the periodic table do you find a bat claw, or a roasted earwig, or essence of nightshade picked in the light of the full moon? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:11 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
keepit wrote: Try English. It works better. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:12 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3055) |
Why deny figures of speech? They have a great deal of communication value. |
22-02-2021 03:18 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: Back to the hydrogen atom, it's called the smallest because it has only 1 nuclei in its nucleus. Go read it again. An atom has only one nucleus. James___ wrote: Hydrogen may have neutrons. Such hydrogen atoms are known as 'heavy' hydrogen, or deuterium. It is still hydrogen. Deuterium is one of two stable isotopes of hydrogen. James___ wrote: Semantics fallacy. James___ wrote: Nope. Helium is. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:35 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:James___ wrote: And yet beta radiation is a radioactive isotope of helium. Nope. Not beta radiation, not the cause of it. Beta radiation is caused by a neutron decaying into a proton-electron pair, and the electron is ejected. When it happens to hydrogen, it becomes helium. The mass of the atom does not change. James___ wrote: Photons are both a particle and a wave. Gamma radiation is photons emitted from the decay of an electron-positron pair into two photon. It is high energy light, since the rest mass of the electron-positron pair is converted directly into energy. James___ wrote: No such thing. Quantum mechanics is not physics. James___ wrote: You just keep digging your hole deeper, James. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:35 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
keepit wrote: An isotope is not a boson. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:36 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
James___ wrote:keepit wrote: Especially by you. Buzzwords don't cut it,James. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:39 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: Are you making fun of his Norwegian accent again? Then why did YOU bring it up???????? James___ wrote: Pivot again. James___ wrote: and AGAIN. James___ wrote: and AGAIN. James___ wrote: and AGAIN. You change topics faster than you can post, James. You are randomly wandering. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:40 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
keepit wrote: Semantics fallacy. Void argument fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
22-02-2021 03:44 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
Into the Night wrote:James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: Are you making fun of his Norwegian accent again? Because you are the parrot but not the master. The way to know the master is through his puppet which is you. You are but a step on the way to the master. |
22-02-2021 03:51 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3055) |
Google it itn. He4 is both an isotope and a boson. Helium has a few surprsiing characteristics especially at very cold temperature and under high pressure. |
22-02-2021 04:08 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
keepit wrote: The He4 that you're talking about might actually be 2/4He. 2 protons and electrons with 4 something in the middle. Yeah! (4 being the number of components in the nucleus)> Science is rigid in this fashion. As an isotope it can be radioactive decay. Bosons have an intrinsic quality that is expressed in physics. Bosons can be cooled relative to a specific process. This has to do with the Einstein-Bose Condensate Theorem. Why originally only 6 types of matter qualified. That number grew as the types of matter that could be affected by such a theorem grew. This gets far more technical than what is discussed in this forum. https://www.livescience.com/54667-bose-einstein-condensate.html Edited on 22-02-2021 04:19 |
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