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keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

Just for laughs, as what kind of fields should gfm7175 consider atoms? Rugby fields? Fields of dreams? Left field? Field of study? Form field? What?

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keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

Oh fun... atoms are fields now...

Let's see, so hydrogen is in left field and helium is in right field... Cobalt is in center field. When Jimmy rushed towards the cobalt, he breathed in too much of it and tipped over dead from cobalt poisoning. Jimmy's tipping over towards left field obviously shows that hydrogen is smaller than helium, since something having a larger mass also means that it most definitely is bigger.

This is settled science, as studies show, and 97% of the most renowned chemists have come to a consensus, and have published their findings in a peer reviewed scientific journal.

Thank you keepit. I think I understand now...

GasGuzzler wrote:

keepit wrote:
You keep telling yourself that gfm.

Harvey, Try to understand the difference between precautions and fear. It's subtle i know. I could give you examples but i want you to figure it out for yourself.

I'd be up for an example or two...

I'm just not grasping the difference you claim is so subtle. Can you name any precautions you took that were not a result of fear?

GasGuzzler wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

Oh fun... atoms are fields now...

Let's see, so hydrogen is in left field and helium is in right field... Cobalt is in center field. When Jimmy rushed towards the cobalt, he breathed in too much of it and tipped over dead from cobalt poisoning. Jimmy's tipping over towards left field obviously shows that hydrogen is smaller than helium, since something having a larger mass also means that it most definitely is bigger.

This is settled science, as studies show, and 97% of the most renowned chemists have come to a consensus, and have published their findings in a peer reviewed scientific journal.

Thank you keepit. I think I understand now...

Back off guys. Keepit simply meant that atoms are a field of scientific study.

keepit wrote:All this rant from a person that thinks 2 atoms is smaller than one (one who thinks helium is smaller than hydrogen).

keepit wrote:
All this rant from a person that thinks 2 atoms is smaller than one (one who thinks helium is smaller than hydrogen).

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote:All this rant from a person that thinks 2 atoms is smaller than one (one who thinks helium is smaller than hydrogen).

All this gibberish from someone who thinks "bigger" = "smaller"

What's next? Printing dollars doesn't increase the number of dollars? Ooops, you've already done that one, so what is next?

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keepit wrote:
gfm,
Hydrogen is a proton and an electron. Helium is 2 protons and tow electron. Some versions have neutrons along. Being fermions the protons can't sit on top of each other so 2 of them is larger and also has more mass. If you include isotopes that have neutrons it changes the picture but the basic principle doesn't change. A proton has a field, a gravitational field and an electric field. Also the quarks have fields. It gets incredibly complicated but the general principle isn't. 2 protons take up more space than one and 2 protons have more mass than one.

keepit wrote: Without neutrons that can't be possible. There are isotopes to consider.

gfm7175 wrote:

The atomic radius of helium is less than the atomic radius of hydrogen. Helium is smaller.

James___ wrote: You don't think heat is energy because of philosophy.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: You don't think heat is energy because of philosophy.

Nope, gfm7175 recognizes that Joules and Watts are incompatible units of measure.

Energy is measured in Joules while a flow of energy is measured in Watts.

A flow of energy is a flow, not energy just like river water is not the same thing as the river's current.

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a flow of energy is measured in Watts

keepit wrote:
gfm,
If you consider atoms to be fields rather than particles you'll understand better.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
That's just a bunch of rationalization. You combine precautions with fantasy and call it fear.

keepit wrote:
All this rant from a person that thinks 2 atoms is smaller than one (one who thinks helium is smaller than hydrogen).

keepit wrote:
gfm,
Hydrogen is a proton and an electron. Helium is 2 protons and tow electron.

keepit wrote:
Some versions have neutrons along. Being fermions the protons can't sit on top of each other so 2 of them is larger and also has more mass.

keepit wrote:
If you include isotopes that have neutrons it changes the picture but the basic principle doesn't change.

keepit wrote:
A proton has a field, a gravitational field and an electric field. Also the quarks have fields. It gets incredibly complicated but the general principle isn't. 2 protons take up more space than one and 2 protons have more mass than one.

keepit wrote:
Without neutrons that can't be possible. There are isotopes to consider.

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

The atomic radius of helium is less than the atomic radius of hydrogen. Helium is smaller.

Who cares? That's something anyone can look up online. You don't think heat is energy because of philosophy. You only consider the definition and not it's application. Nothing but Word Crimes.

keepit wrote:
Understanding figures of speech helps one learn.

keepit wrote:
Understanding figures of speech helps one learn.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

The atomic radius of helium is less than the atomic radius of hydrogen. Helium is smaller.

Who cares? That's something anyone can look up online. You don't think heat is energy because of philosophy. You only consider the definition and not it's application. Nothing but Word Crimes.

Semantics fallacy.

keepit wrote:
Understanding figures of speech helps one learn.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

The atomic radius of helium is less than the atomic radius of hydrogen. Helium is smaller.

Who cares? That's something anyone can look up online. You don't think heat is energy because of philosophy. You only consider the definition and not it's application. Nothing but Word Crimes.

Semantics fallacy.

Et Tu Parrot, really? So someone found some useless information online. And that means they know what? From gfm's post he didn't seem to know that helium has 2 protons and 2 neutrons in its nucleus. I mean it's actually 2/2He which represents 2 protons and 2 neutrons. The periodic table numbers elements by the number of electrons that they have.
Am just not sure how a person would miss that. There is a reason for that. The difference between a proton and a neutron is the number of quarks they have. Basic knowledge. A proton has 11 quarks while a neutron has 12.

keepit wrote:
The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell. The reason being that helium has a fuilled electron shell and hydrogen doesn't. Filled shells (He) have a smaller radius than unfilled shells (H). That radius measurement is a legitimate way to measure but mass is also a legitimate measurement. Take your pick.

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote:
The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell. The reason being that helium has a fuilled electron shell and hydrogen doesn't. Filled shells (He) have a smaller radius than unfilled shells (H). That radius measurement is a legitimate way to measure but mass is also a legitimate measurement. Take your pick.

You have just shifted goalposts again.

The discussion was not about how atoms can be measured. The discussion specifically centered on the word "smaller, i.e size. Your post above indicates that your initial response should have been " Yes Into the Night, you are correct, helium atoms are the smallest atoms, not hydrogen atoms as I had stated. Thank you. Good catch" instead of doubling down on stupid and ultimately dishonestly shifting goalposts and hoping no one notices.




p.s. it was noticed, btw.


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keepit wrote:
The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell. The reason being that helium has a fuilled electron shell and hydrogen doesn't. Filled shells (He) have a smaller radius than unfilled shells (H). That radius measurement is a legitimate way to measure but mass is also a legitimate measurement. Take your pick.

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote:
The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell. The reason being that helium has a fuilled electron shell and hydrogen doesn't. Filled shells (He) have a smaller radius than unfilled shells (H). That radius measurement is a legitimate way to measure but mass is also a legitimate measurement. Take your pick.

You have just shifted goalposts again.

The discussion was not about how atoms can be measured. The discussion specifically centered on the word "smaller, i.e size. Your post above indicates that your initial response should have been " Yes Into the Night, you are correct, helium atoms are the smallest atoms, not hydrogen atoms as I had stated. Thank you. Good catch" instead of doubling down on stupid and ultimately dishonestly shifting goalposts and hoping no one notices.




p.s. it was noticed, btw.


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The hydrogen atom is the smallest when going by mass.

James___ wrote:
When discussing the periodic elemental table, the smallest would refer to mass and electrons. Saying the diameter of the shell isn't normally consider because the properties of an atom are more important. What you and ITN have been engaged is merely clever word play. Which atom is listed first? It's the hydrogen atom because it's properties make it the smallest element as it only has one electron and a total of 1 proton and 0 neutrons combined in its nucleus.

James___ wrote:
The only thing a helium atom demonstrates is that atoms become denser when the number of nuclei in the nucleus increases.

James___ wrote: The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: The radius of the helium atom is smaller than the hydrogen atom if you consider the radius of the electron shell.

This is the only measure of an atom's SIZE.

Mass is the only measure of an atom's MASS.

Mass is not a measure of size. It's how the English language works. No one would ever say that this ruggedized military power generator is somehow bigger than a bouncy castle:







p.s. Guess which one has more mass.


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