|My take is that CO2 and other gasses are what keep the Earth habitable and I have noticed even scientists that refute all the alarmist propaganda agree that increased CO2 will act as more atmosphere however it is the amounts that are going to make any signifigant change that is the issue.Does anyone not agree that the Earth is greener than it was 40 years ago.We do have real pictures from outer space.Thats a big uptake of CO2 which the warmazombies conveniently ignore.I am not claiming that gas can make energy out of nothing but on clear mornings like now it is damn cold yet with cloud cover or rain it is much warmer.It is way to complex to work out or measure so NASA NOAA IPCC and National Geographic are making it up.Please do not write RQAA but if you have to do it but this forum goes great on debate then it all falls in a hole again with personal insults|
Deforestation means that every year the Earth is less green. The burning of the rain forest pretty much proves this. Can you find something better to base your opinion on?
James___ wrote:You'll probably find this interesting:
from this thread "A quarter to half of Earth's vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,...an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States."
Harvey made this point a while back.
I think we should be doing our best to figure out what is happening and how we can ensure we get the maximum benefit.
Edited on 21-06-2020 07:31
duncan61 wrote: My take is that CO2 and other gasses are what keep the Earth habitable
duncan, this is a completely ambiguous statement. In what way does it make earth "habitable"?
a) because CO2 is a life-essential compound upon which all life depends? (correct answer)
b) because it keeps the planet from being an ice ball? (wrong answer)
c) because it regulates Climate Change so we can continue existing in this changing world? (wrong answer)
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|I include water vapour as a gas which alledgedly is what makes the Earth habitable.The breakdown occurs when the claim is made tiny amounts of other gasses make a huge difference.Without an atmosphere would we not cook in daytime and freeze at night??|
I think water vapour is more likely to be the major temperature regulator. Water is plentiful, evaporates more, as needed, to cool the surface. I've after centuries of industrial burning, CO2 is still a trace gas, .04%. Water vapour varies between 0-4%, changes all the time. CO2 levels change quite a bit too, but the focus is to promote the increases. The temperature every where varies quite a bit as well, for a variety of reasons too. Average it all together, best we can, with what dat is available, is a little sloppy. Then claiming on the average, it's 0.0136 degrees warmer today, than it was 100 years ago?
The main thing though, is that CO2 is a trace gas, on gets used by plants, which are vital for all life on the planet. We've been burning stuff for thousands of years, and CO2 remains a trace gas. Even with hundreds of years of industrial burning, it remains a trace gas. CO2 is the least likely cause of snuffing all life on the planet. The increasing has actually been a great benefit. Couple more centuries, and we might get up to a more ideal level, for plants to grow at their best, every where.
We really only have math and models, to define the climate crisis. Nobody alive now, is going to be alive to see any of the apocalyptic changes projected, if we do nothing. No on will still be alive, to see if all the efforts made, had any effect at all. It all plays out in a computer simulation.
I remember back in the 70s, the push for alternative/renewable energy, wasbe cause of the big scare we were going to run out of fossil fuels. 50 years later, we are burning more, than back then, and seldom a mention of running out. So, no the bic scare is that the CO2 byproduct is going to eventually scorch the earth, if we don't switch energy sources...
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