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Climate philosophy17-02-2020 16:02
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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I want to understand climate change as a human-related phenomenon away from its basic scientific impacts.

If all people are wishing and want to consume fuels, they are adding to their problems. If they have different attitudes to nature, including fear and worship, the 'philosophy of climate change' will evolve as per different regions.

To solve a simple science problem, simple technical solutions are needed. But to address philosophical differences, a common platform and agenda is required for mutual understanding and appreciation.

Waiting for your thoughts and contributions?
17-02-2020 16:08
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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-WE- wrote:

I am sure you will read original ideas regarding the consequences the way we evolved to human race. Among these consequences are the heavy reliance on technology, huge number of egoistic people, becoming to strong, changing more rapidly our environment and our behavior than we or other species could adapt.


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This extract is from the lesser-visited section in Climate philosophy!! Could not find anything more of note.
17-02-2020 16:57
James___
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
I want to understand climate change as a human-related phenomenon away from its basic scientific impacts.

If all people are wishing and want to consume fuels, they are adding to their problems. If they have different attitudes to nature, including fear and worship, the 'philosophy of climate change' will evolve as per different regions.

To solve a simple science problem, simple technical solutions are needed. But to address philosophical differences, a common platform and agenda is required for mutual understanding and appreciation.

Waiting for your thoughts and contributions?



Future energy will possibly be determined by cost. Even with carbon capture, research is being pursued to economically process it back into fuel. If renewable energy is used then this would be carbon neutral.
If the world population continues to increase then deforestation will become an even more important issue.
20-02-2020 16:37
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: Future energy will possibly be determined by cost.

The only way it won't will be by forced compliance by a capitalism-killing Marxist government.

James___ wrote: Even with carbon capture, research is being pursued to economically process it back into fuel.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics dooms any such process to expending more fuel than is reclaimed.

James___ wrote: If renewable energy is used then this would be carbon neutral.

Why is that a requirement?

James___ wrote: If the world population continues to increase then deforestation will become an even more important issue.

Sure, but at what point?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-02-2020 20:26
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??
21-02-2020 22:52
HarveyH55
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??


Survival is a lot of work, most species don't live as long as humans. Many species didn't survive, and no longer exist.

Harnessing energy, reduces the amount a physical work, human would otherwise expend doing the same work. By using energy from other sources, we are able to produce more work, than needed to survive. By trading surplus goods with others, we further reduce the amount of work we need to do to survive. This helps us live longer lives, and survive as a species.

Most humans are clueless about what they need to survive, since socialist democrat handouts, keeps them alive and happy, so they can vote, for even more 'free', idiot products.

An energy crisis, is a tool of socialists, to convince people to make do with less handouts, because there are few people tax/steal, to pay for 'free stuff'. Carbon-tax is another theft tool of democrat/socialists, used to pat for the 'free stuff' they use to buy votes, some they can gain more power and control over those who resist.
21-02-2020 23:02
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
I want to understand climate change as a human-related phenomenon

First, you have to define 'climate change'. That is the only way you can describe any phenomenon.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
away from its basic scientific impacts.

There are no scientific impacts. 'Climate change' is not a theory of science. It is a meaningless buzzword that no one has yet been able to define (other than on mythological terms).
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
If all people are wishing and want to consume fuels, they are adding to their problems.

Consuming fuel isn't a problem.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
If they have different attitudes to nature, including fear and worship, the 'philosophy of climate change' will evolve as per different regions.

There is no philosophy about a meaningless buzzword.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
To solve a simple science problem,

There is no such thing as a 'science problem'. Science is a set of theories, not a set of problems to solve.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
simple technical solutions are needed.

You have not yet define the 'problem'. Define 'climate change'.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
But to address philosophical differences,

A void is not a difference.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
a common platform and agenda is required for mutual understanding and appreciation.

Agenda for what? Define 'climate change'.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
Waiting for your thoughts and contributions?

None possible, other than religious ones. Define 'climate change'.


The Parrot Killer
21-02-2020 23:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??


Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.


The Parrot Killer
21-02-2020 23:39
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??


Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.



Climate change is before and after you get stoned. You go from listening to Pearl Jam to Seals and Crofts. Climate Change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsW8rXPcnM0
21-02-2020 23:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??


Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.



Climate change is before and after you get stoned. You go from listening to Pearl Jam to Seals and Crofts. Climate Change.


I must say, James, that this definition is certainly original. Congratulations! I somehow don't think this is the meaning the Church of Global Warming was imagining though!



The Parrot Killer
Edited on 21-02-2020 23:50
22-02-2020 00:03
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
[quote]Into the Night wrote:Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.

Climate change is before and after you get stoned. You go from listening to Pearl Jam to Seals and Crofts. Climate Change.

It would seem that the DJ has full climate control.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-02-2020 01:55
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
energy is needed to produce goods. goods are needed by idiots.

???

an energy crisis is a goods crisis??


Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.



Climate change is before and after you get stoned. You go from listening to Pearl Jam to Seals and Crofts. Climate Change.


I must say, James, that this definition is certainly original. Congratulations! I somehow don't think this is the meaning the Church of Global Warming was imagining though!



Umm, sorry friend. You didn't define "climate". Climate change does happen, it's in the "air" so to speak. And now "climate" has been defiend. defnied dfineid
Edited on 22-02-2020 02:02
22-02-2020 01:56
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:
[quote]Into the Night wrote:Goods are needed by both idiots and the wise alike.
Define 'energy crisis'. Define 'climate change'. You seem to use a lot of meaningless buzzwords.

Climate change is before and after you get stoned. You go from listening to Pearl Jam to Seals and Crofts. Climate Change.

It would seem that the DJ has full climate control.


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22-02-2020 03:07
James___
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Climate Change;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxKWTzr-k6s
And a few tokes later, maybe more;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsW8rXPcnM0
Am just trying to understand climate change.
22-02-2020 03:18
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: Am just trying to understand climate change.


The complete unabridged answer is RIGHT HERE.



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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-02-2020 03:50
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote: Am just trying to understand climate change.


The complete unabridged answer is RIGHT HERE.



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Why Americans didn't like him. He wasn"t American like you.
23-02-2020 11:47
JMacBeets
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I think the philosophical underpinnings of how we see ourselves as part of or external to nature have a lot of impact on how we treat it. Of course, there are many psychological failings, biases and economic issues that have made political action difficult but I think our view of nature is never really talked about and very important.

I just uploaded a mindfart onto Medium.com about how I think about it. It is an adaptation of an essay I recently wrote in a philosophy of nature class. Would be interested in your thoughts

https://medium.com/@langtonjb/why-do-we-only-care-about-our-planet-when-it-is-burning-10c68ebac8ff
23-02-2020 21:01
James___
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JMacBeets wrote:
I think the philosophical underpinnings of how we see ourselves as part of or external to nature have a lot of impact on how we treat it. Of course, there are many psychological failings, biases and economic issues that have made political action difficult but I think our view of nature is never really talked about and very important.

I just uploaded a mindfart onto Medium.com about how I think about it. It is an adaptation of an essay I recently wrote in a philosophy of nature class. Would be interested in your thoughts

https://medium.com/@langtonjb/why-do-we-only-care-about-our-planet-when-it-is-burning-10c68ebac8ff



I read some of it and marked the page for later reading. With the indigenous chief, what he might know is that they can't afford to dispose of broken down vehicles. It's possible that it would cost more money to have the vehicles hauled to a scrap facility.
With the US, one reason why it likes doing trade with China is because China doesn't seem to care about the environment or how it treats it's people. Why our rare earth mines are closed and we import. America's national security is dependent on a communist country.
Ever watch the movie Independence Day https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/ ? The aliens could be considered as mass consumers. Why recycling should matter. a lot of toxic waste males it into landfills because that's cheaper and easier than reprocessing waste.
25-02-2020 09:14
JMacBeets
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Re the indigenous aspect, you are correct that economics is a reason behind their use of the cars but I would be lying if cultural practices don't play a large role. Hunter-gatherer civilizations (which the aboriginals were until 200 years ago) tend to be far less anthropocentric. The main point is that, vastly different cultural visions of nature exist and they are definitely worth exploring if for any reason at all to realize that our perception of nature shapes our actions for good and for bad.

Let me know what you think if you get around to finishing it. The introduction isn't representative of the essay but rather a prompt to hopefully evaluate your own perceptions of what "Nature" is.
25-02-2020 22:44
HarveyH55
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Cars are highly recyclable, and well worth hauling to the scrap yard. My youngest brother made a good living at doing just that. He still does, but has other interest now, demolitions and renovations produce higher value scrap metals, and sometime some cool stuff.

Hunter-gatherers had to keep moving, following the food. We just modernized mod of travel, and made it easier to bring the food, back to where we call home. Instead of chasing down our next meal, we free up time, and expend less energy on surviving, allowing us more time to address other needs.
26-02-2020 10:17
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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Of course, there are many psychological failings, biases and economic issues that have made political action difficult but I think our view of nature is never really talked about and very important.

With the US, one reason why it likes doing trade with China is because China doesn't seem to care about the environment or how it treats it's people. Why our rare earth mines are closed and we import. America's national security is dependent on a communist country.



It is not easy to get nature into a post-modern discussion which has the digital divide as the central theme. Making room for something we moved out of centuries ago is tough. Our relationship with nature is restricted by our modern duties and professions. true. Political action is more concerned with equality and conflict issues than with pretty landscapes.

If we were to brand the discussion as 'Climate Philosophy' instead of just a scientific decision that we make about rainfall and heat zones, we could understand the matter with more seriousness that we usually do.

How does one gather attention to a matter when one is not getting it?

US and China control more than half the world's economy, giving them a larger right to say things and determine them. How it serves them best on the longer term to keep trade ties with other nations is something they want to decide upon.
26-02-2020 18:13
HarveyH55
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Climate Change claim to care about the environment, the ecosystem, nature. But, consider their choices for alternative, renewable energy. The bulk of what they are depending on, is electricity replacing fuel burning energy sources. Solar panels and windmills, are the primary source of that electricity. A lot of nature, has to be cleared, wiped out, to install these solar and wind farms. Those many thousands of acres need to be kept cleared of plants and trees, that would interfere withe operating and maintaining. Plants and trees growing in those areas, would also provide food, and attract animals, that would also damage, or diminish the output. Solar and wind farms aren't an ideal use for all that land, to justify destroying so much land, so much life. Neither option provide a stable, continuous, predictable output. The sun has to be shining, or the wind needs to be blowing, to get any output at all. This creates a need for a third renewable option, more land cleared. The push seems to favor powering most everything with electricity. Biofuels are an option, but they take a lot of bulk material, to produce. Do we grow food, or fuel crops? Both? Still more natural land cleared, to replace fossil fuels. Basically, climate change is doing more to destroy the planet, than save it, and we aren't even discussing whether or not there is any actual need to do anything at all.

Pumping oil out of the ground, or tapping natural gas, doesn't destroy a lot of land. Once the well is producing, pipes laid, there isn't much need to keep killing off the plants in the area. It's a relatively small area, compared to just one small solar farm, but provided fuel and energy for many cities. The impact to the environment is tiny, but the energy pull from the ground is massive, and can be used anywhere, any time, as need.

Doubtful there is any climate change catastrophe in the future, just naturally shifting weather patterns. We'll survive, and so will most everything else, as long as we focus on adapting to those changing weather patterns, rather than fighting to change them. We have never had control over weather, can't even reliably predict it. Weather forecasts, are based on weather conditions that already exist, and track their movements, and only good for a couple of days, at best.

There has never been a global climate, and never will. most every place on the planet, passes through different season, usually 4. The summer, is typically the hot season, the winter, is the cold season. These seasons don't change exact at the same time, for the entire planet. Australia just changed from their summer, into their fall season. Most of North America is still getting winter snow. Florida is going through, what I consider Fall, since it's when the leave start falling out of the trees, and need to be constantly cleaned up. Which, of course, after you get the yard looking nice, the wind starts to kick up a few hours later, and by the next morning, hardly looks like you did much of anything the day before.

Climate Change, is insanity. They want to destroy nature, to save the planet? They want to stop using a plentiful, highly efficient, reliable, natural energy source, with a minimal footprint, with something that is only marginally useful, and destroys many thousands of acres, of natural land. There is no actually way to look into the past, other than what was observed and recorded (few thousand years). Certainly no way to predict the future, in any useful way, to be considering doing such widespread damage.
29-02-2020 07:48
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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a united stand of humanity can help save itself from dire capitalistic forces even if it means losing efficient progress. what are the limits of a canoe into the open sea with what the hands can take in the burning sun and sweat.

what is in a name but flowers and roses and a few diamonds to lose and drop on a flight. what is in a grand hide and seek game where one can catch you if one can find you.

i cannot see it, i cannot understand it, but i know what it is to be done for it is intrusive.

a united stand or unity is meaning of the whole force that works in good timing to undo wrong and faults.

bridges or swimming, or bridge swimming! cross it any way and when one get on the other side, make arrangements for an easier crossing of others.

philosophy is about interpretation and need your diesel to keep this lamp burning for i have to read the passages in the dark time also.
29-02-2020 18:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
a united stand of humanity can help save itself from dire capitalistic forces

Capitalism isn't dire. It is also not a force. Humanity doesn't have to be 'saved' from it. It IS humanity, doing what they do best.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
even if it means losing efficient progress.

Abandoning capitalism isn't progress.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
what are the limits of a canoe into the open sea with what the hands can take in the burning sun and sweat.

About five minutes or less in most seas.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
what is in a name but flowers and roses and a few diamonds to lose and drop on a flight.

Word salad.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
what is in a grand hide and seek game where one can catch you if one can find you.

A bit of fun. Watch the kids enjoy it.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
i cannot see it, i cannot understand it, but i know what it is to be done for it is intrusive.

Word salad.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
a united stand or unity is meaning of the whole force that works in good timing to undo wrong and faults.

Word salad.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
bridges or swimming, or bridge swimming! cross it any way and when one get on the other side, make arrangements for an easier crossing of others.

Word salad.
Amanbir Grewal wrote:
philosophy is about interpretation and need your diesel to keep this lamp burning for i have to read the passages in the dark time also.

Not what philosophy is. Word salad.

Philosophy is nothing more than a reasoned argument. It's only real rule is that you must present your own reasoning and predicates.


The Parrot Killer
03-03-2020 12:42
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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philosophy will be needed???

my actions are being extended by the need of the hour, to deliver human and humane constructions.

so many times before man has paid the price of his confidence and achievement, that things can only be done in a better way.

acceptance of philosophy is not the negation of ayn rand's individualism and frontier action!!
03-03-2020 18:42
HarveyH55
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I've always believed climate change, was a metaphysical problem, not a physical problem...
06-03-2020 15:51
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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environmentalists need more organisation these days! counter-reformations just do not occur without 99 theses and the bread money.


to determine a natural path is to rely on nature and not on a machine.

if i feel like making a cave and owning it with modern lighting just to smoke some cheap ones and fell good about my blood paint as cave art, like the english patient in the sahara air crash, then i like archaeology and that is how i spend my hobby time.


my reading and cash takes me back into egyptian tombs to find out who i really was for the pharaoh. why? WHY?

b'coz i'm bloody good with ancient codes and symbols. that's why.
06-03-2020 15:57
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
environmentalists need more organisation these days! counter-reformations just do not occur without 99 theses and the bread money.


to determine a natural path is to rely on nature and not on a machine.

if i feel like making a cave and owning it with modern lighting just to smoke some cheap ones and fell good about my blood paint as cave art, like the english patient in the sahara air crash, then i like archaeology and that is how i spend my hobby time.


my reading and cash takes me back into egyptian tombs to find out who i really was for the pharaoh. why? WHY?

b'coz i'm bloody good with ancient codes and symbols. that's why.


Amanbir Grewal is a random word application.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
07-03-2020 13:24
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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why philosophy fails to excite humans is a weakness of humans, not philosophy.

its broader dimensions and interpretations can entail a vast range of human actions and responses for which the discipline exists, to discover and develop the human narrativ and its complexity.

how you wish to solve what you call a 'global' and 'common' problem without understanding the mores of human bonds and human stories is puzzling!!!

there are lot of things that belong to muhammad, some of them are his robes and chaddar!

give them to me! i will keep it safely.

you know very well i want that idiot's material posessions.
08-03-2020 19:30
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
why philosophy fails to excite humans is a weakness of humans, not philosophy.

its broader dimensions and interpretations can entail a vast range of human actions and responses for which the discipline exists, to discover and develop the human narrativ and its complexity.

how you wish to solve what you call a 'global' and 'common' problem without understanding the mores of human bonds and human stories is puzzling!!!

there are lot of things that belong to muhammad, some of them are his robes and chaddar!

give them to me! i will keep it safely.

you know very well i want that idiot's material posessions.


More word salad.


The Parrot Killer
09-03-2020 13:07
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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DA STEP 1; Voltaire

DEI TWO: Jean Jacques

3 EXECUTE.


' all good things come from good central political philosophy, aka the planning'


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