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06-05-2024 00:53
sealover
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new paper about applied biogeochemistry

April 25, 2022 by Aminata Fofana, and others 89 pages available at SSRN

"Permafrost thaw in northern peatlands is likely to create a positive feedback to climate change as soil carbon (C) is released as carbon dioxide (CO2) or methane (CH4)."

that's the BAD news

"..and p-hydroxybenzoic acid, which are produced by Sphagnum spp., were added at field-relevant concentrations, under anaerobic conditions...
Addition of both organic acids greatly increased the CO2:CH4 ratio in deep peats."

That's the GOOD news.

p-hydroxy benzoic acid is an ortho phenol carboxylic acid produced by plants that can regulate microbial processes in soil.

One way or another, carbon in the melting permafrost is going to be released to the atmosphere.

Applied biogeochemistry can help ensure that it is released as CO2 and not CH4.

Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

Timely action to nurture beneficial biological activity in the soil can help to mitigate one of the vicious feedbacks to global warming.

It is just the most recent paper to cite sealover's work for this kind of thing.
06-05-2024 00:57
sealover
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Anthropogenic emission of carbon dioxide via fossil fuel combustion is just one of many sources contributing to increasing atmospheric concentrations.

Natural ecosystems cycle enormous quantities of carbon.

Ecosystems that previously were net sinks, sequestering more carbon from the atmosphere than they emitted have shifted to emitting more than they sequester.

Climate change itself is causing ecosystems to emit more carbon dioxide.

The increased frequency and severity of wildfires is a major source of increased carbon dioxide emissions.

Methane locked in the ice under the tundra is now being released to the atmosphere. As these massive stores of organic carbon warm up enough to decompose, carbon dioxide emissions skyrocket.

This thread goes into many other examples of vicious feedbacks to climate change.
06-05-2024 11:01
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
In 1990, sealover's master's thesis was entered into the UC Berkeley Library.

And you're proud of that piece of shit too, ain't ya?


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06-05-2024 11:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Anthropogenic emission

Buzzword fallacy.
sealover wrote:
of carbon dioxide via fossil fuel combustion

Fossils don't burn. They don't combust.
sealover wrote:
is just one of many sources contributing to increasing atmospheric concentrations.

It is not possible to measure global atmospheric CO2 concentration. Argument from randU fallacy.
sealover wrote:
Natural ecosystems cycle enormous quantities of carbon.

Carbon is not carbon dioxide.
sealover wrote:
Ecosystems that previously were net sinks, sequestering more carbon from the atmosphere than they emitted have shifted to emitting more than they sequester.

Carbon is not carbon dioxide.
sealover wrote:
Climate change itself is causing ecosystems to emit more carbon dioxide.

Climate cannot change. Climate does not emit any gas or vapor.
sealover wrote:
The increased frequency and severity of wildfires is a major source of increased carbon dioxide emissions.

Maybe you should do something about the arsonists in the SDTC.
sealover wrote:
Methane locked in the ice under the tundra is now being released to the atmosphere.

The tundra naturally melts some during the summer. Methane is not locked anywhere.
sealover wrote:
As these massive stores of organic carbon

Carbon is not organic. Carbon is not methane.
sealover wrote:
warm up enough to decompose,

Carbon does not decompose.
sealover wrote:
carbon dioxide emissions skyrocket.

Carbon is not carbon dioxide.
sealover wrote:
Many more examples of vicious feedbacks

There is no 'feedback'.
sealover wrote:
that will aggravate climate change.

Climate cannot change.

You seem to be ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:20
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
In 1985, I began post graduate research.

Your Holy Worship began.
sealover wrote:
"Acid Rain" was a big deal in those days.

Rain is normally acidic.
sealover wrote:
Among the few things they will willing to fund environmental research for at the time.

'They' is the government.
sealover wrote:
I got lucky with a lab that got a big NSF grant.

So you scammed the government.
sealover wrote:
The powers that be will willing to fund generously at the time.

The government is easy to scam.
sealover wrote:
Action could be stalled so long as they were still waiting to get all the reports.

No reports.
sealover wrote:
It looked like they were doing all they could.

Void argument fallacy.
sealover wrote:
And some of the powers believed their own fantasies that the research would exonerate them and absolve them of responsibility to act.

Government is responsible for everything they fund, even losers like you.
sealover wrote:
The field of biogeochemistry came of age.

No such field.
sealover wrote:
They were the only scientists who had the right training for the big picture questions.

Not science. Science is not 'experts' or training.
sealover wrote:
Acidic deposition. "Acid rain".

Rain is normally acidic.
sealover wrote:
On average about two thirds sulfuric acid and one third nitric acid,

Fiction.
sealover wrote:
with a lot of regional variation in the relative content of the two acids.

Fiction.
sealover wrote:
One problem was that it was acidic.

Rain is normally acidic.
sealover wrote:
Another problem was that the protons didn't come by themselves.

Rain is not protons.
sealover wrote:
There was nitrate from nitric acid.

No such chemical as 'nitrate'.
sealover wrote:
"Nitrogen saturation" of ecosystems was one impact.

Buzzword fallacies.
sealover wrote:
Nitrate is fertilizer.

No such chemical.
sealover wrote:
Ecosystems that were historically nitrogen limited were leaking out nitrate from the excess input. Nitrate in surface water was fertilizer for algae blooms, eutrophication, and hypoxia.

Hypoxia is not an algae bloom and has nothing to do with nitrogen. Nitrate is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
And there was sulfate from sulfuric acid.

Sulfate is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
When sulfate passed through the soil, it wasn't going out alone. It usually dragged an ion of calcium or magnesium along with it. Calcium and magnesium deficiency in forests on silica-rich soils was causing die back.

Sulfur is not calcium. Sulfur is not magnesium. Sulfur is not silicon.
sealover wrote:
And aluminum toxicity was being provoked, mainly on account of calcium deficiency.

Sulfur is not aluminum. Sulfur is not calcium.
sealover wrote:
Acid rain also influenced soil organic matter.

Rain is normally acidic.
sealover wrote:
It reduced the solubility of soil organic matter.

Rain does not reduce solubility of anything.
sealover wrote:
It protonated organic anions,

Buzzword fallacies. Protons are not organic.
sealover wrote:
limiting their complexing power and solubility.

Buzzword fallacies. Protons do not affect solubility.
sealover wrote:
Rather than being retained in soil as chelation complexes with organic anions, calcium and magnesium were being dragged away by sulfate.

Buzzword fallacies. Sulfate is not a chemical. Organic anions is not a chemical. Sulfur is not calcium or magnesium.


The Parrot Killer

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While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Chemotherapy for the land - fix the bad chemicals we left in the soil and water by adding other anthropogenic chemicals.

Be careful. You're playing with fire. It's a complex system we're messing with.[

Complexity fallacy. Chemotherapy does not apply to land or sea. There are no 'bad' chemicals or 'good' chemicals. They don't commit acts of sin.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:29
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Warming causes the tundra to release two different carbon-containing greenhouse gases from two different carbon-containing sources in the tundra.

What warming? It's not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.
sealover wrote:
There is an enormous reservoir of trapped methane beneath the tundra.

Methane is not trapped anywhere.
sealover wrote:
When the ice melts, the carbon in the methane is released in a chemical form only slightly different than the form in which it was trapped.

Methane is methane.
sealover wrote:
Methane is a greenhouse gas about 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
sealover wrote:
When the tundra warms up, it also releases carbon as carbon dioxide.

Carbon is not carbon dioxide. Carbon is not methane.
sealover wrote:
This carbon in this carbon dioxide is in chemical form VERY different than the one in which it was trapped.

Carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide.
sealover wrote:
Carbon dioxide emissions from the tundra originate from ORGANIC carbon in the tundra. Organic carbon only counts as greenhouse gas when it's methane.

Carbon is not organic.
There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas' except as a religious artifact. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
sealover wrote:
Well, we could technical about some of the minor greenhouse gases which also contain carbon in organic, rather than inorganic form.

Carbon is not organic.
sealover wrote:
Inorganic carbon is carbon that has been oxidized and has oxygen attached.

Carbon does not have any oxygen attached.
sealover wrote:
Inorganic carbon includes carbon dioxide, bicarbonate, and carbonate.

Carbon is not carbon dioxide. Bicarbonate is not a chemical. Carbonate is not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
Carbon dioxide emissions from the warming tundra result from organic carbon oxidizing to inorganic carbon, through aerobic respiration in microbial decomposition.

Carbon is not organic.
Carbon is not methane nor carbon dioxide.
Carbon does not decompose.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Example of feedback a few million years ago.

There is no 'feedback'. Buzzword fallacy.
sealover wrote:
Since I already brought it up, I'll give you a brief preview.

This is biogeochemistry AND a climate feedback.

There is no 'feedback'. Buzzword fallacies.
sealover wrote:
Mother Nature switched the dial on CO2, and now we were in for ice ages.

No dial. No 'ice age'.
sealover wrote:
There used to be a gap between North America and South America, wide enough for a global current to constantly flow.

There is no 'global current'.
sealover wrote:
Then plate tectonics moved Panama to where it sealed off the two oceans.

You were there to see it?
sealover wrote:
With the global ocean current sealed off, the tropical seas got warmer and the polar seas got colder.

There is no such thing as a 'global current'. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the ocean.
sealover wrote:
So, if these historically high CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere dropped so much, where did all the carbon go?

It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric CO2 content. Carbon is not carbon dioxide.
sealover wrote:
Well, the tundra got very cold for one thing.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the tundra.
sealover wrote:
It started aggrading and building a store of organic carbon that wasn't going back to the atmosphere anytime soon.

Carbon is not organic. It isn't in the atmosphere.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:36
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Photorespiration, rise of C-4 photosynthesis fitness when CO2 decline to 350ppm

Three million years ago, Mother Nature reset the dial on the earth's atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide. It dropped down. Like way, way down to where it had never been before.

You don't know what happened 3 million years ago. Omniscience fallacy.
It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric CO2 content.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 11:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(21962)
sealover wrote:
Vicious FIRE Feedbacks. "Firenados". The Swamp is Now in Flames.

Do something about the arsonists in the SDTC.
sealover wrote:
One of the vicious feedbacks to Anthropogenic Global Weirding that I am most familiar with is in regard to the occurrence of wildfire in forests.

Arson is not a 'feedback'
sealover wrote:
Climate change caused the pest-killed trees to contribute to the fire hazard.

Climate cannot change.
sealover wrote:
There is a HUGE amount of organic carbon stored in the biomass and soil organic matter of rain forests.

Carbon is not organic.
sealover wrote:
A vicious fire feedback for Anthropogenic Global Weirding.

Do something about the arsonists in the SDTC. The SDTC is not the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 06-05-2024 11:42
06-05-2024 11:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
new paper about applied biogeochemistry

No such thing.
sealover wrote:
Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
RE: Previous 9 consecutive posts - SPAM???06-05-2024 17:00
Im a BM
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Into the Night wrote:
sealover wrote:
new paper about applied biogeochemistry

No such thing.
sealover wrote:
Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.





WOW!

NINE consecutive posts...

To say important things like.. "No such thing".

Unsupported contrarian assertions.

Smells a lot like SPAM, doesn't it?
06-05-2024 21:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
sealover wrote:
new paper about applied biogeochemistry

No such thing.
sealover wrote:
Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.





WOW!

NINE consecutive posts...

You have more than that, loser! Talking to yourself to hear yourself talk only shows YOUR problem.
Im a BM wrote:
To say important things like.. "No such thing".

Because there is no such thing associated with your spam and buzwords.
Im a BM wrote:
Unsupported contrarian assertions.

It is YOU ignoring theories of science, dude. Theories of science support themselves.
Im a BM wrote:
Smells a lot like SPAM, doesn't it?

You are describing yourself again. You cannot project YOUR problem on me or anybody else, Sock.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-05-2024 22:44
sealover
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(1601)
sealover wrote:
new paper about applied biogeochemistry

April 25, 2022 by Aminata Fofana, and others 89 pages available at SSRN

"Permafrost thaw in northern peatlands is likely to create a positive feedback to climate change as soil carbon (C) is released as carbon dioxide (CO2) or methane (CH4)."

that's the BAD news

"..and p-hydroxybenzoic acid, which are produced by Sphagnum spp., were added at field-relevant concentrations, under anaerobic conditions...
Addition of both organic acids greatly increased the CO2:CH4 ratio in deep peats."

That's the GOOD news.

p-hydroxy benzoic acid is a phenol carboxylic acid produced by plants that can regulate microbial processes in soil.

One way or another, carbon in the melting permafrost is going to be released to the atmosphere.

Applied biogeochemistry can help ensure that it is released as CO2 and not CH4.

Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

Timely action to nurture beneficial biological activity in the soil can help to mitigate one of the vicious feedbacks to global warming.

It is just the most recent paper to cite sealover's work for this kind of thing.


----------------------------


In April, 2022, this WAS "the most recent paper to cite sealover's work for this kind of thing"

As the "Maximizing Carbon Sequestration in Terrestrial Agroecosystems" thread reveals, sealover's published research has been cited in many other new peer-reviewed scientific papers since then.

The new viewer who stumbles on to this website might be pleasantly surprised to find out that there is a member who is actually a recognized expert in the biogeochemistry of carbon cycling.
06-05-2024 22:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(21962)
sealover wrote:
As the "Maximizing Carbon Sequestration in Terrestrial Agroecosystems" thread reveals,

Buzzword fallacies.
sealover wrote:
sealover's published research has been cited in many other new peer-reviewed scientific papers since then.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science. Science isn't a paper, book, magazine, journal, degree, certification, license, or 'expert'.
sealover wrote:
The new viewer who stumbles on to this website might be pleasantly surprised to find out that there is a member who is actually a recognized expert in the biogeochemistry of carbon cycling.

No such thing as biogeochemistry. Buzzword fallacy. You deny chemistry, physics, and mathematics.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-05-2024 09:13
sealover
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(1601)
All the most relevant posts of this thread are compiled, beginning about 3/4 way down page 5, beginning with the post "In 1985, I began post graduate research.", and continuing through all of page 6.


new paper about applied biogeochemistry

April 25, 2022 by Aminata Fofana, and others 89 pages available at SSRN

"Permafrost thaw in northern peatlands is likely to create a positive feedback to climate change as soil carbon (C) is released as carbon dioxide (CO2) or methane (CH4)."

that's the BAD news

"..and p-hydroxybenzoic acid, which are produced by Sphagnum spp., were added at field-relevant concentrations, under anaerobic conditions...
Addition of both organic acids greatly increased the CO2:CH4 ratio in deep peats."

That's the GOOD news.

p-hydroxy benzoic acid is a phenol carboxylic acid produced by plants that can regulate microbial processes in soil.

One way or another, carbon in the melting permafrost is going to be released to the atmosphere.

Applied biogeochemistry can help ensure that it is released as CO2 and not CH4.

Methane has about 20x the global warming potential, compared to carbon dioxide.

Timely action to nurture beneficial biological activity in the soil can help to mitigate one of the vicious feedbacks to global warming.

It is just the most recent paper to cite sealover's work for this kind of thing.

----------------------------


In April, 2022, this WAS "the most recent paper to cite sealover's work for this kind of thing"

As the "Maximizing Carbon Sequestration in Terrestrial Agroecosystems" thread reveals, sealover's published research has been cited in many other new peer-reviewed scientific papers since then.

The new viewer who stumbles on to this website might be pleasantly surprised to find out that there is a member who is actually a recognized expert in the biogeochemistry of carbon cycling.[/quote]
10-05-2024 21:59
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(21962)
There is no such thing as biogeochemistry. Stop spamming.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
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