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Climate change protesters21-09-2019 17:34
keepit
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US Constitution
1 - 3 branches, exec, congress, supreme court
2 - All people are created equal (equal rights)

Supreme court justices dissent all the time.
Ordinary people also have the right to dissent (i strongly support the right to dissent).
Young people have the right to dissent against the opinion that climate change is not human induced..
Parents have a right to take their children out of school for a day to dissent.
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.
21-09-2019 19:51
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:Young people have the right to dissent against the opinion that climate change is not human induced..

Absolutely. Freedpom of religion. You can believe whatever you want to believe without ever establishing any of it as real. 1st Amendment.

keepit wrote: Parents have a right to take their children out of school for a day to dissent.

Sure. Parents should be able to take their kids out of school for any reason they see fitting.

keepit wrote: To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive. The US is becoming too punitive.

I hate to break it to you but you are feeling the brutal authoritarian nature of the Marxist state you so willingly embrace in the Global Warming religion. Climate Change is just religious dogma of the Marxism ideology that also mandates children be forcibly removed from the parents to ensure their education is controlled and monitored by the government.

You cannot, on the one hand, stand in solidarity with Marxists in worship of Climate Change but then complain about the rest of the Marxism that comes along with it.

This is what happens when you put some gods before others. I recommend you read through The MANIFESTO and get a better idea of what you're getting yourself into with Climate Change.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-09-2019 20:57
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.


Where did you see that? I skimmed the news stories but didn't see that. I know school freak out as funding is based on attensance.

It's a great lesson for kids to be active this way.

All the more important to have real public debate here.



"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed: The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference& Proof: no data is ever valid for them
21-09-2019 21:18
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
US Constitution
1 - 3 branches, exec, congress, supreme court
2 - All people are created equal (equal rights)

Supreme court justices dissent all the time.
Ordinary people also have the right to dissent (i strongly support the right to dissent).
Young people have the right to dissent against the opinion that climate change is not human induced..
Parents have a right to take their children out of school for a day to dissent.
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.


Guess you missed something... Taking your kid out school isn't wrong, has to be done sometimes, doesn't really matter why. When kids are leaving school in large groups, for a protest, party, or anything else, it gets a little more complicated. Not all those students are going to the event, they were granted permission to attend, some parents might not even be aware the had given permission. I was one of those students, occasionally... Protest can get a little rough sometimes, depending on the issue. Fortunately, climate change is really slow heating up, so that's a non-issue.

There is also the actual school work. When it's an individual student, the burden of catching up, is theirs alone. Several students in the class can be disruptive, and hold back the rest of the class, as they use class time, to get caught up for the day the took off.

Basically, if you know you can get a free pass for missing school, or work, if it's protest related. There would be a lot of people taking off, whether or not they actually stopped by to protest or not.
21-09-2019 22:11
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
US Constitution
1 - 3 branches, exec, congress, supreme court
2 - All people are created equal (equal rights)

Supreme court justices dissent all the time.
Ordinary people also have the right to dissent (i strongly support the right to dissent).
Young people have the right to dissent against the opinion that climate change is not human induced..
Parents have a right to take their children out of school for a day to dissent.
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.


Truancy does not concern the U.S. Constitution. It concerns the State constitutions. States have the right to implement truancy laws. Their constitutions give them that authority.

The 1st amendment does not apply to the States. It only applies to Congress.

The federal government cannot pass laws even about yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, but the States can.

The federal government cannot prohibit religions or sanction religions, but the States can (and have in the past!). Currently no State does this, but they can if they put it back into their own constitutions.

Truancy laws do not prohibit free speech. They only require the kids attend school on the given days when schools are open.


The Parrot Killer
21-09-2019 22:13
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
keepit wrote:
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.


Where did you see that? I skimmed the news stories but didn't see that. I know school freak out as funding is based on attensance.

It's a great lesson for kids to be active this way.

All the more important to have real public debate here.


So when are you going to start?


The Parrot Killer
21-09-2019 22:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
keepit wrote:
US Constitution
1 - 3 branches, exec, congress, supreme court
2 - All people are created equal (equal rights)

Supreme court justices dissent all the time.
Ordinary people also have the right to dissent (i strongly support the right to dissent).
Young people have the right to dissent against the opinion that climate change is not human induced..
Parents have a right to take their children out of school for a day to dissent.
To bellyache about truancy in this case is way too punitive.
The US is becoming too punitive.


Guess you missed something... Taking your kid out school isn't wrong, has to be done sometimes, doesn't really matter why. When kids are leaving school in large groups, for a protest, party, or anything else, it gets a little more complicated. Not all those students are going to the event, they were granted permission to attend, some parents might not even be aware the had given permission. I was one of those students, occasionally... Protest can get a little rough sometimes, depending on the issue. Fortunately, climate change is really slow heating up, so that's a non-issue.

There is also the actual school work. When it's an individual student, the burden of catching up, is theirs alone. Several students in the class can be disruptive, and hold back the rest of the class, as they use class time, to get caught up for the day the took off.

Basically, if you know you can get a free pass for missing school, or work, if it's protest related. There would be a lot of people taking off, whether or not they actually stopped by to protest or not.


Some States have truancy laws. The authority to pass these laws IS in their constitutions.

Enforced schooling does smack of fascism, as you point out. However, if the people of that State wish to remove that authority from their State government, they only need amend their constitutions.

NONE of this has anything to do with the U.S. Constitution.


The Parrot Killer
22-09-2019 00:19
keepit
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Let's see, the terrible truants might have a permit to dissent, and they might have permission from their parents to miss school. Oh well, let's throw them in jail
anyway and teach them a lesson. Wait, we don' have enough jail space, darn.
Wait a minute ... if we release all those evil marijuana offenders we'd have room for the terrible truants in jail. Maybe no one will notice.
22-09-2019 02:18
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Let's see, the terrible truants might have a permit to dissent, and they might have permission from their parents to miss school. Oh well, let's throw them in jail
anyway and teach them a lesson. Wait, we don' have enough jail space, darn.
Wait a minute ... if we release all those evil marijuana offenders we'd have room for the terrible truants in jail. Maybe no one will notice.

My recommendation is to make three things legal and many of our problems would disappear:

1. Life

2. Liberty

3. Pursuit of Happiness

If only we had a Constitution with a Bill of Rights ... or something like that ... and adhered to it ... I think it would go a long way towards making things better.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-09-2019 02:24
keepit
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IBDM,
Sounds good. Don't forget the right to dissent!
23-09-2019 01:33
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
IBDM,
Sounds good. Don't forget the right to dissent!


You do not have the right to overthrow the Constitution of the United States and implement fascism.


The Parrot Killer
23-09-2019 01:36
keepit
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Don't worry ITN. Noone s going to take me seriously. At least i hope not.
23-09-2019 02:22
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Don't worry ITN. Noone s going to take me seriously. At least i hope not.

I hope you realize that you render yourself unable to be taken seriously by not defining Global Warming, Climate Change, Greenhouse Effect, Forcings, Feedbacks, etc...

At this point I would reiterate what you don't want to read, that the reason you never define such terms is that you cannot possibly define such terms because they are all unfalsifiable terms in a religious dogma of a church to which you cannot admit membership ... especially not to yourself.

When you meet people who cannot consider you to be a Christian, despite your insistence that you are, you cannot honestly claim to be surprised. You have adopted a second religion and you place it first in your life, despite your claims to the contrary. Anyone who understands the requirements to be called a Christian won't be calling you a Christian. I have read your posts and I don't consider you to be a Christian. I certainly consider you to be a religious person who adopts many of the aspects of Christianity ... but you have your own theology that includes the Climate goddess, Global Warming, the prophet Karl Marx, and Angels of Forcings and all sorts of things not permitted under the Christian Commandments.

Have you discussed this with your minister? Have you confided your faith in Global Warming and in socialist wealth redistribution as commanded by Prophet Marx? I'm just asking. Have you had this conversation with your minister?

Have you read The Manual? ... or does your theology consider that to be sacrilege?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2019 02:32
keepit
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Thanks for your thoughtful criticism IBDM. I'm secure in my Christianity.

My thoughts on the economy boil down to simply toning things down to reduce CO2 output.
Edited on 23-09-2019 02:34
23-09-2019 03:23
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: I'm secure in my Christianity.

I have never said otherwise. I merely stated that I simply don't consider you to be a Christian and that you should expect some people to similarly not consider you to be a Christian, that's all. It doesn't affect you in any way nor does it impede your ability to believe what you wish.

keepit wrote:My thoughts on the economy boil down to simply toning things down to reduce CO2 output.

Your thoughts are not yours.

Although you will not admit it, you are pretty horrendous in the area of economics. You're probably a really nice person but we all have strengths and weaknesses ... and economics is definitely not among your strengths.

As such, you did not arrive at "your" thoughts because of some deep contemplation utilizing a keen understanding of economics. Your opinions were handed to you by Marxists who promised you feelings of "belonging" and "community" and of "saving the planet like a superhero." You bought into it ... hook, line and sinker. In fact, you bought the whole package which includes the "Wealth Redistribution" upgrade and the "Global Warming" premium option whose specs are unfortunately not compatible with Christianity. Regarding that last point, you didn't care that it was in direct conflict with your religion because you considered the feeling of belonging and the promise of ecological superhero power to be more important. You didn't get any of this from understanding science either. Someone ordered you to believe that CO2 has magickal superpowers and you obeyed. The moment you did that, you adopted that new theology and incorporated it into your own.

I don't think anyone is doubting your faith in Christianity just as I don't think anyone is doubting your faith in Global Warming. I just hope that it brings you the joy you seek.


p.s. - so the answer is that you have NOT had this discussion with your minister. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me.







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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2019 03:50
keepit
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Thanks for the good wishes IBDM.
This stuff i've been talking on economics has flaws. I know that. I just would like to have conversation about things like that.

I'd like to know how we're going to get out of this economic conundrum. I know Fed chairman Powell and Treasury Sec Mnuchin don't look worried. I'm a little worried.
Edited on 23-09-2019 03:54
23-09-2019 05:06
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Thanks for the good wishes IBDM.
This stuff i've been talking on economics has flaws. I know that. I just would like to have conversation about things like that.

I'd like to know how we're going to get out of this economic conundrum. I know Fed chairman Powell and Treasury Sec Mnuchin don't look worried. I'm a little worried.

We need for the Federal government to spend less. We need to stop looking to the Federal government to provide We the People free stuff and free services. Nothing is free. We the People have to pay for it, but We the People have to pay between double and five times as much if the Federal government is administering the program.

If you hire a housekeeper to clean your house, at what point does the housekeeper tell you how you must arrange your furniture lest the housekeeper fine you? Would you happily contract a more expensive housekeeper who promises to "forgive" your monthly $1,500 mortgage but who costs an additional $2,350/month?

... or better yet, would you hire a housekeeper who costs $2,350/month more than another who promises to "forgive" your neighbor's $1,500 monthly mortgage payment?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2019 05:47
keepit
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If the govt spent less that would produce less CO2. OK
But if the govt spent a lot less it would shrink the economy. That would shrink the rest of the world economy. OK
If the govt taxed us more, that would shrink the economy and therefore shrink the world economy since us and the world's economies are so intertwined. OK

The conundrum might be worse than that though.

Not that i'm an expert on international monetary policy and currency but i know that that kind of economics bears no resemblance to the breakfast table economics that i'm used to.
Edited on 23-09-2019 05:57
23-09-2019 06:33
James___
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keepit wrote:
If the govt spent less that would produce less CO2. OK
But if the govt spent a lot less it would shrink the economy. That would shrink the rest of the world economy. OK
If the govt taxed us more, that would shrink the economy and therefore shrink the world economy since us and the world's economies are so intertwined. OK

The conundrum might be worse than that though.

Not that i'm an expert on international monetary policy and currency but i know that that kind of economics bears no resemblance to the breakfast table economics that i'm used to.



Haven't really missed you guys, my hemorrhoids (among my missing body parts) reminds me of you guys. Just trying to make you feel better.
There is a problem with economics. It's designed to increase the wealth of a few people. It also consumes resources with no consideration of what it leaves behind.
IMHO the movie Independence Day was about mass consumerism. It wasn't about a sustainable way of life but one in which we achieve the most profit at the moment.
This really has nothing to do with global warming.
23-09-2019 11:21
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
If the govt spent less that would produce less CO2. OK
But if the govt spent a lot less it would shrink the economy. That would shrink the rest of the world economy. OK
If the govt taxed us more, that would shrink the economy and therefore shrink the world economy since us and the world's economies are so intertwined. OK

The conundrum might be worse than that though.

Not that i'm an expert on international monetary policy and currency but i know that that kind of economics bears no resemblance to the breakfast table economics that i'm used to.


Finally, something that makes a little sense... The government spends way too much money, and a good portion of that is wasted. Our government is involved in to many things, that should be left to the people. Mostly the democrats, but the government feels a need to jump in, throw a bunch of money on anything that looks like it might be a problem or inconvenience. Most people manage their finances, and household budgets, a lot more responsibly. You'd expect the government to have experts, and set an example. None of use would get away with that level of irresponsible spending. Basically, they just look at it like it's unlimited free money, where we all have limits, and had to work for ours.

The democrats us free money and free stuff, to control and manipulate, encourage dependency. Free stuff buys votes. Everybody likes free stuff, and usually want more. Unfortunately, they don't stop at our own borders, they use the same tactics around the world, which is worth a closer look, if you are curious what the socialist have planned for America. There are a lot of countries on the list, who depend on a welfare check from America, and would collapse, if that money ever stopped. Well, not really, there are other countries using the same tactic, not to mention some not so friendly people, who would love to move in.
25-09-2019 19:59
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James___ wrote: Haven't really missed you guys, my hemorrhoids (among my missing body parts) reminds me of you guys.

So I'm a hemorrhoid and you're an ass. I'm glad you're back.

James___ wrote: There is a problem with economics.

That's like saying "there's a problem with understanding math."

James___ wrote: It's designed to increase the wealth of a few people.

Economics isn't "designed." Did you ever go to school? Is math also designed to increase the wealth of a few people?

James___ wrote: It also consumes resources with no consideration of what it leaves behind.

That's the 2nd law of thermodynamics, not economics. I'd like to see any rational person read one of your posts without face-palming.

... but I'm glad you're back.

James___ wrote: IMHO the movie Independence Day was about mass consumerism.

You weren't fooled by the aliens from another planet, the attack on earth, ... you saw right through all of that, right to the transparent plot of shameless mass consumerism.

How do I subscribe to your movie reviews?

James___ wrote: It wasn't about a sustainable way of life but one in which we achieve the most profit at the moment.

You illustrate the really good reason that one should not read The Communist Manifesto immediately before or while watching movies.

James___ wrote: This really has nothing to do with global warming.

Are you sure? Are you saying it's not about the catastrophic end of the world due to a global menace threatening the utter destruction of our Climate ... unless we all unite as a people to combat the threat before reaching the tipping point?

That's what I thought I was watching.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist




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