Climate Change Overview

James wrote:
this is why I need to quit drinking.

James wrote:
Kind of why I need surgery. It'd be nice to be able to enjoy eating something like that.

GasGuzzler wrote:Enjoy the whiskey Chief Fullashit.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
this is why I need to quit drinking.

and then

James wrote:
Kind of why I need surgery. It'd be nice to be able to enjoy eating something like that.

So you can drink (presumably alcohol) but you need surgery before consuming venison, eh?

Enjoy the whiskey Chief Fullashit.

HarveyH55 wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
this is why I need to quit drinking.

and then

James wrote:
Kind of why I need surgery. It'd be nice to be able to enjoy eating something like that.

So you can drink (presumably alcohol) but you need surgery before consuming venison, eh?

Enjoy the whiskey Chief Fullashit.

Doc James doesn't really understand physiology (or much of anything else)... He seems to think that anything can be changed, to better suit his wants and desires. The craps-sack, just collects the waste, which is the parts of food we eat, that doesn't fully digest, or goes unused. If the digestive system is unable to break it down, it's going to still pass through intact. Doesn't matter how many surgeries, that isn't going to change. His crap-sack, requires that he be more selective of the foods he eats, and how they are prepared. Of course, that was his intent. He want to have a 'normal' life, and it's the surgeon's job to fix it so he can. Everybody else is stupid, don't know what they are doing. Just screwing up his chances to have a life, because the don't listen to him, as he tries to explain what he expects from them. It's frustrating to explain obviously simple things, to complete morons, that call themselves experts...

There are risks, and often trade-offs, with any medical procedure. They aren't miracles from God, which restore you back to the way you once were.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
this is why I need to quit drinking.

and then

James wrote:
Kind of why I need surgery. It'd be nice to be able to enjoy eating something like that.

So you can drink (presumably alcohol) but you need surgery before consuming venison, eh?

Enjoy the whiskey Chief Fullashit.

Doc James doesn't really understand physiology (or much of anything else)... He seems to think that anything can be changed, to better suit his wants and desires. The craps-sack, just collects the waste, which is the parts of food we eat, that doesn't fully digest, or goes unused. If the digestive system is unable to break it down, it's going to still pass through intact. Doesn't matter how many surgeries, that isn't going to change. His crap-sack, requires that he be more selective of the foods he eats, and how they are prepared. Of course, that was his intent. He want to have a 'normal' life, and it's the surgeon's job to fix it so he can. Everybody else is stupid, don't know what they are doing. Just screwing up his chances to have a life, because the don't listen to him, as he tries to explain what he expects from them. It's frustrating to explain obviously simple things, to complete morons, that call themselves experts...

There are risks, and often trade-offs, with any medical procedure. They aren't miracles from God, which restore you back to the way you once were.

The 2 of you sound like a couple of preachers. It's funny you (plural) support someone that thinks his supporters are idiots. Do you belong to Proud Boys? You talk like them.
It's sad that you have made this forum about your extreme political views. They should change the name of it.
It's interesting and I will think about it. I could have a better life if I don't know you (plural) as you (plural) said.

James___ wrote:History has recorded periods when the weather was both warmer and cooler.

James___ wrote:But then when I am concerned with ODSs and the ozone layer which is science

James___ wrote: that has been proven,

James___ wrote:If I don't talk and think in a way that
someone likes, then they'll come after me.

James___ wrote: But neither political party is concerned about sustainable land management practices.

James___ wrote: This is where the climate debate doesn't allow more serious issues to be discussed.

James___ wrote: And that's because you (plural) can establish yourself as an Alpha in here.

James___ wrote:Actual scientists would need to do the research but then I might be able either patent or tell some scientists how to make a better solar panel.

IBdaMann wrote:

Are you familiar with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy? Into the Night has it officially listed as Mantra #18.

James___ wrote:
Such ignorance. History has recorded periods when the weather was both warmer and cooler.

James___ wrote:
But then when I am concerned with ODSs and the ozone layer which is science that has been proven, you attack me for it.

James___ wrote:
I think this is because I spend my time watching TV. I do. I even watch a lot of YouTube. I like to enjoy my leisure time, that's
what it's for, right?

James___ wrote:
You're funny Harvey. I think something else is going on and it's what people have told me. If I don't talk and think in a way that
someone likes, then they'll come after me. It's rather a basic concept. When you work with people, it's like being in a herd and
someone or some group will need to be seen as the "Alphas". And Christians are no exception. Some people forget that it's called
"work" for a reason when they're there because they think they're still in Junior High School and they want to be the "BMOC"
(big man on campus). Just like you and some of your friends in this forum. You probably know the Republican party will never do
anything to help you yet their cause is your cause. It makes you an "Alpha". And be mindful, I'm not a Democrat so why would I
care about either political party when I am an Independent?

James___ wrote:
What I have done though is that I saw an opportunity for myself and I've been pursuing it. Isn't that what Made America Great?

James___ wrote:
It's like some of what I watch on YouTube is about farming. That also helps me to consider if desalination can be improved, then
could water be trucked or shipped to farms?

James___ wrote:
If so then if say in Montana they don't get sufficient rain then they'd have water for
their crops.
Montana already has sufficient rain. Are you aware the Missouri river starts in Montana?
[quote]James___ wrote:
After all, shipping water will cost money but if it doesn't rain enough then crops will fail, right?

James___ wrote:
But neither political party is concerned about sustainable land management practices. This is where the climate debate doesn't
allow more serious issues to be discussed. Yet I'm a "warmazombie", right? And that's because you (plural) can establish yourself
as an Alpha in here.

James___ wrote:
p.s., the same science I considered for cooling power plant emissions to remove NOx and SOx from their emissions

James___ wrote:
might be able
be modified to improve desalination.

James___ wrote:
Actual scientists would need to do the research but then I might be able either patent or
tell some scientists how to make a better solar panel.

James___ wrote:
And if that happens, the Republican party would ship those jobs to China.

James___ wrote:
It's like if the US were a world leader, other countries like India (an ally of the US) will be building more coal fired power plants.

James___ wrote:
What to do? Help our ally by being a leader or see their economy damaged? And this is about if the US is a world leader. And yet
I say Ancient Rome. The Romans just had to have it better than everybody else and this lead to a slow downfall they didn't see
coming.

James___ wrote:
And like the US of today, their Senators fought for control over Rome's wealth. It's about money (taxes), right Harvey?

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Are you familiar with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy? Into the Night has it officially listed as Mantra #18.

I do not support your political views. It is nice to see how you (plural) use
politics as a reason for understanding science. And because I focused on the science and not the politics, I can have it pretty good.
Some in Australia know that sometimes I will say that;

HarveyH55 wrote:
How do you 'scientist' know there wasn't always a Ozone Hole? How do you know that it doesn't perform a necessary function, the enables life on this planet? Let's mess with stuff that could be vitally important, and see if it kills all life one the planet... If you 'scientist' fuk up this planet, where do we go? There is no plan 'b', or a quick fix.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
How do you 'scientist' know there wasn't always a Ozone Hole? How do you know that it doesn't perform a necessary function, the enables life on this planet? Let's mess with stuff that could be vitally important, and see if it kills all life one the planet... If you 'scientist' fuk up this planet, where do we go? There is no plan 'b', or a quick fix.

As long as the tilt of the Earth's pole respective to the Sun existed, there has been an ozone hole. It wasn't discovered until we started sending sounding rockets with instrument packages into the Auroras to figure out how they worked.

The southern hole exists for the same reason as the northern one. This 'hole' opens up during the winter of that pole.

Ozone is created by the action of sunlight on oxygen.

During the winter of a pole, there is no sunlight for months...so a hole opens. Big hairy deal. it's not like you're going to get a sunburn with no sun!

The size of the 'hole' varies a bit due to upper air winds at the time. Meh.

The DuPont corporation decided to use this to blame R-12 refrigerant (which they were losing the patents on) for the presence of this 'hole'. They are the ones that started the Church of the Ozone Hole. The goal was to outlaw R-12 so they could have monopoly power over their replacement refrigerant R-134a, which is under a new patent.

R-134a is not as effective as R-12 as a refrigerant, and the government now treats R-12 like it was glowing plutonium.

Like usual, the only way to maintain a monopoly is with government helping you to do it. Fascism.

James___ wrote:Next he'll be telling you that Native Americans were put on reservations because boats couldn't be built big enough to ship them to China. I've been waiting a long time to say that joke.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
How do you 'scientist' know there wasn't always a Ozone Hole? How do you know that it doesn't perform a necessary function, the enables life on this planet? Let's mess with stuff that could be vitally important, and see if it kills all life one the planet... If you 'scientist' fuk up this planet, where do we go? There is no plan 'b', or a quick fix.

As long as the tilt of the Earth's pole respective to the Sun existed, there has been an ozone hole. It wasn't discovered until we started sending sounding rockets with instrument packages into the Auroras to figure out how they worked.

The southern hole exists for the same reason as the northern one. This 'hole' opens up during the winter of that pole.

Ozone is created by the action of sunlight on oxygen.

During the winter of a pole, there is no sunlight for months...so a hole opens. Big hairy deal. it's not like you're going to get a sunburn with no sun!

The size of the 'hole' varies a bit due to upper air winds at the time. Meh.

The DuPont corporation decided to use this to blame R-12 refrigerant (which they were losing the patents on) for the presence of this 'hole'. They are the ones that started the Church of the Ozone Hole. The goal was to outlaw R-12 so they could have monopoly power over their replacement refrigerant R-134a, which is under a new patent.

R-134a is not as effective as R-12 as a refrigerant, and the government now treats R-12 like it was glowing plutonium.

Like usual, the only way to maintain a monopoly is with government helping you to do it. Fascism.

Just another government agent. Next he'll be telling you that Native Americans were put on reservations because boats couldn't be built big enough to ship them to China.
I've been waiting a long time to say that joke.

duncan61 wrote:
This could of been a good thread if James had not hijacked it with his personal stuff.

duncan61 wrote:
This could of been a good thread if James had not hijacked it with his personal stuff.

duncan61 wrote:
I switched out a rangehood for a Lady yesterday who is a professor at University of Western Australia.I bought up the climate debate and she was interested.Our government has given her massive amounts of taxpayers money to help 4 countries in the subcontinent to develop crops to combat this climate emergency which she could not even remember who they were.

duncan61 wrote:
We got India Bangladesh and Butan eventualy and she does not know who the 4th is????What a waste of energy.I did most of the sharing as she admitted not knowing anything about it.She did reference the falling water tables in the South at Stirling ranges and I just looked her in the eye and said 'do you claim that CO2 in the atmosphere has made the water go away'So its not farmers watering crops in the area.

duncan61 wrote:
I have no scientific evidence

duncan61 wrote:
but I know my soda stream will not put CO2 in warm water

duncan61 wrote:
and the ocean of Perth is starting to warm from 17.C to 33.C as we move in to summer like it does every year.

duncan61 wrote:
This is coastal water at Fremantle.If you go 1km offshore the water around 30-40 metres deep will be between !0.C-15.C.She is going to research the ability of the Ocean to absorb CO2 at the university and get back to me soon.

duncan61 wrote:
This is a classic.Some bitch from India is on a 6 figure income and telling students about the perils of climate change to crop failures on the subcontinent and has no clue as to how it works.

duncan61 wrote:
This could of been a good thread if James had not hijacked it with his personal stuff.I switched out a rangehood for a Lady yesterday who is a professor at University of Western Australia.I bought up the climate debate and she was interested.Our government has given her massive amounts of taxpayers money to help 4 countries in the subcontinent to develop crops to combat this climate emergency which she could not even remember who they were.We got India Bangladesh and Butan eventualy and she does not know who the 4th is????What a waste of energy.I did most of the sharing as she admitted not knowing anything about it.She did reference the falling water tables in the South at Stirling ranges and I just looked her in the eye and said 'do you claim that CO2 in the atmosphere has made the water go away'So its not farmers watering crops in the area.I have no scientific evidence but I know my soda stream will not put CO2 in warm water and the ocean of Perth is starting to warm from 17.C to 33.C as we move in to summer like it does every year.This is coastal water at Fremantle.If you go 1km offshore the water around 30-40 metres deep will be between !0.C-15.C.She is going to research the ability of the Ocean to absorb CO2 at the university and get back to me soon.This is a classic.Some bitch from India is on a 6 figure income and telling students about the perils of climate change to crop failures on the subcontinent and has no clue as to how it works.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Next he'll be telling you that Native Americans were put on reservations because boats couldn't be built big enough to ship them to China. I've been waiting a long time to say that joke.

Well, go on then ... tell the joke.

.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
How do you 'scientist' know there wasn't always a Ozone Hole? How do you know that it doesn't perform a necessary function, the enables life on this planet? Let's mess with stuff that could be vitally important, and see if it kills all life one the planet... If you 'scientist' fuk up this planet, where do we go? There is no plan 'b', or a quick fix.

As long as the tilt of the Earth's pole respective to the Sun existed, there has been an ozone hole. It wasn't discovered until we started sending sounding rockets with instrument packages into the Auroras to figure out how they worked.

The southern hole exists for the same reason as the northern one. This 'hole' opens up during the winter of that pole.

Ozone is created by the action of sunlight on oxygen.

During the winter of a pole, there is no sunlight for months...so a hole opens. Big hairy deal. it's not like you're going to get a sunburn with no sun!

The size of the 'hole' varies a bit due to upper air winds at the time. Meh.

The DuPont corporation decided to use this to blame R-12 refrigerant (which they were losing the patents on) for the presence of this 'hole'. They are the ones that started the Church of the Ozone Hole. The goal was to outlaw R-12 so they could have monopoly power over their replacement refrigerant R-134a, which is under a new patent.

R-134a is not as effective as R-12 as a refrigerant, and the government now treats R-12 like it was glowing plutonium.

Like usual, the only way to maintain a monopoly is with government helping you to do it. Fascism.

Just another government agent. Next he'll be telling you that Native Americans were put on reservations because boats couldn't be built big enough to ship them to China.
I've been waiting a long time to say that joke.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
How do you 'scientist' know there wasn't always a Ozone Hole? How do you know that it doesn't perform a necessary function, the enables life on this planet? Let's mess with stuff that could be vitally important, and see if it kills all life one the planet... If you 'scientist' fuk up this planet, where do we go? There is no plan 'b', or a quick fix.

As long as the tilt of the Earth's pole respective to the Sun existed, there has been an ozone hole. It wasn't discovered until we started sending sounding rockets with instrument packages into the Auroras to figure out how they worked.

The southern hole exists for the same reason as the northern one. This 'hole' opens up during the winter of that pole.

Ozone is created by the action of sunlight on oxygen.

During the winter of a pole, there is no sunlight for months...so a hole opens. Big hairy deal. it's not like you're going to get a sunburn with no sun!

The size of the 'hole' varies a bit due to upper air winds at the time. Meh.

The DuPont corporation decided to use this to blame R-12 refrigerant (which they were losing the patents on) for the presence of this 'hole'. They are the ones that started the Church of the Ozone Hole. The goal was to outlaw R-12 so they could have monopoly power over their replacement refrigerant R-134a, which is under a new patent.

R-134a is not as effective as R-12 as a refrigerant, and the government now treats R-12 like it was glowing plutonium.

Like usual, the only way to maintain a monopoly is with government helping you to do it. Fascism.

Just another government agent. Next he'll be telling you that Native Americans were put on reservations because boats couldn't be built big enough to ship them to China.
I've been waiting a long time to say that joke.

Most weren't expected to survive being herded west, until they reach the Pacific ocean. Reservations were typically considered worthless land, where the remainder would eventually starve to death, barely surviving on government hand outs, that were slow coming... Reservation land wasn't good for farming or raising livestock, which also meant the wast limited natural resources to live off as well. Nothing of value that could be exploited and sold, at the time. When something like gold, uranium, oil was found, the land was just taken back. The Native American people are strong, and never needed much to survive. The whites still haven't quite figured that out yet.

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
This could of been a good thread if James had not hijacked it with his personal stuff.

Hijack it back.

duncan61 wrote:
I switched out a rangehood for a Lady yesterday who is a professor at University of Western Australia.I bought up the climate debate and she was interested.Our government has given her massive amounts of taxpayers money to help 4 countries in the subcontinent to develop crops to combat this climate emergency which she could not even remember who they were.

The buzzwords 'global warming', 'climate change', 'climate crisis', and 'climate emergency' are all the same in one respect: They don't mean anything.

duncan61 wrote:
We got India Bangladesh and Butan eventualy and she does not know who the 4th is????What a waste of energy.I did most of the sharing as she admitted not knowing anything about it.She did reference the falling water tables in the South at Stirling ranges and I just looked her in the eye and said 'do you claim that CO2 in the atmosphere has made the water go away'So its not farmers watering crops in the area.

She probably had no answer. Like you said, she was clueless.

duncan61 wrote:
I have no scientific evidence

That's good. Science isn't evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

duncan61 wrote:
but I know my soda stream will not put CO2 in warm water

A problem with your machine. Yeast puts CO2 in warm water quite well.

duncan61 wrote:
and the ocean of Perth is starting to warm from 17.C to 33.C as we move in to summer like it does every year.

The temperature of the ocean of Perth is unknown. You are describing a single thermometer somewhere.

duncan61 wrote:
This is coastal water at Fremantle.If you go 1km offshore the water around 30-40 metres deep will be between !0.C-15.C.She is going to research the ability of the Ocean to absorb CO2 at the university and get back to me soon.

There are two ways such a 'study' can go:
1) she actually conducts the study, and finds that the charts showing how much CO2 can be dissolved in water are accurate.
2) she scams some research money under the pretense that CO2 is turning into carbolic acid and 'acidifying' the oceans (which is not possible).

duncan61 wrote:
This is a classic.Some bitch from India is on a 6 figure income and telling students about the perils of climate change to crop failures on the subcontinent and has no clue as to how it works.

Pretty typical.

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
This could of been a good thread if James had not hijacked it with his personal stuff.

Hijack it back.

duncan61 wrote:
I switched out a rangehood for a Lady yesterday who is a professor at University of Western Australia.I bought up the climate debate and she was interested.Our government has given her massive amounts of taxpayers money to help 4 countries in the subcontinent to develop crops to combat this climate emergency which she could not even remember who they were.

The buzzwords 'global warming', 'climate change', 'climate crisis', and 'climate emergency' are all the same in one respect: They don't mean anything.

duncan61 wrote:
We got India Bangladesh and Butan eventualy and she does not know who the 4th is????What a waste of energy.I did most of the sharing as she admitted not knowing anything about it.She did reference the falling water tables in the South at Stirling ranges and I just looked her in the eye and said 'do you claim that CO2 in the atmosphere has made the water go away'So its not farmers watering crops in the area.

She probably had no answer. Like you said, she was clueless.

duncan61 wrote:
I have no scientific evidence

That's good. Science isn't evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

duncan61 wrote:
but I know my soda stream will not put CO2 in warm water

A problem with your machine. Yeast puts CO2 in warm water quite well.

duncan61 wrote:
and the ocean of Perth is starting to warm from 17.C to 33.C as we move in to summer like it does every year.

The temperature of the ocean of Perth is unknown. You are describing a single thermometer somewhere.

duncan61 wrote:
This is coastal water at Fremantle.If you go 1km offshore the water around 30-40 metres deep will be between !0.C-15.C.She is going to research the ability of the Ocean to absorb CO2 at the university and get back to me soon.

There are two ways such a 'study' can go:
1) she actually conducts the study, and finds that the charts showing how much CO2 can be dissolved in water are accurate.
2) she scams some research money under the pretense that CO2 is turning into carbolic acid and 'acidifying' the oceans (which is not possible).

duncan61 wrote:
This is a classic.Some bitch from India is on a 6 figure income and telling students about the perils of climate change to crop failures on the subcontinent and has no clue as to how it works.

Pretty typical.

I use tides for fishing as a guide to the best time to go fishing in the ocean and it gives the water temperature of the particular location so I can see that the temperature goes up in summer.I am not or every claiming to know the global average of anything.I used the variations at the warmazombie meeting I went to and showed all the diferent readings and stated how can the average be known.Then NASA claim to know its warming?I am hoping to see this professor again and compare notes.I would rather she spent the money on my local sea than on a bunch of people on the subcontinent

James___ wrote:
You could just ignore me.

duncan61 wrote:
Love your style ITN.Its online

duncan61 wrote:
and gives the swell and moon positions and over the last 20 years I have used it and it works for me.Type in tides 4 fishing and it will give the ocean temperature anywhere you like.

duncan61 wrote:
After posting the last comment I went to Carnarvon and it is warmer then I went to Albany and its colder.I agree it is only at where the measurements are taken but all we need is a ball park figure.Its not -20.C or plus 45.C.

duncan61 wrote:
The bays around Rottnest island will warm to 33.C or more in late January.

duncan61 wrote:
I have snorkelled these bays a few times in my life here in West Australia since 1961.I think your constant denial of everything is worse than the Warmazombies mantra.

duncan61 wrote:
At least they seem to care misguided that they are.Where did you get a book from.Do they still exist.

duncan61 wrote:
I am 60 and to walk from the carpark to the beach and then cast in uses all my spare energy plus if the sun comes out on the weekend thousands of people decide to go to the beach for the day.I have to time my sessions for when the swell is just right and the solunar tables indicate a good time to go.Often when the sea breeze kicks in the fishing will go off for an hour or so.When it is calm nothing happens.The main targeted fish are Tailor which you would call blue fish.They hit hard and are good fun plus under 500mm are good on the plate.I have caught them up to 650mm but they taste a bit rank when bigger.