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Climate change destructionism18-11-2019 18:29
Third world guy
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On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


There are three kinds of climate change: that generated by natural factors; that generated by man; and that generated by economic interests.
18-11-2019 19:18
spot
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Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
18-11-2019 19:18
spot
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Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
18-11-2019 22:34
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


The temperature of a house cannot be measured. You don't have enough thermometers. There are many different temperature in any house (or apartment!) that are different from a thermostat reading on the wall. That changes if any windows are open or not, or if drapes are pulled shut or not, or whether certain doors are open or shut.

However, thermostats are nevertheless useful. They set your heating system to keep most of those temperatures in a comfortable range. Forced air systems are balanced for different pressures in different rooms for most common cases of doors, windows, or drapes. Further, you can do some balancing yourself using the heating registers.

That way you won't roast in a small bathroom while the living room is cold.


The Parrot Killer
18-11-2019 23:57
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Third world guy wrote:I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

IBDaIconoclast! Don't you forget it.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
19-11-2019 00:15
HarveyH55
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I'm not really sure taking things to the extreme right off, is the best course. The 'believers' have several levels as well. We do, on occasion, get a few on the F.B.R. level, but many still have a chance to be save from their wicked ways. Climate Change doesn't make any rational sense, so many travel the web, hoping to find some rational answers. The IPCC, and other F.B.R. sites on add to the confusion, creating more questions, than answers, sucking new victims, into their evil flock. Democrats are particularly weak to this vile disease, as they have a natural need to believe BS, and a willingness to regurgitate whatever foulness they are told. They tend to scare easy, and likely to retreat into the false safety of the doomsday cult. I don't believe intimidation is the best path here, we should encourage the new members to think rationally, and for themselves, in a less threatening manner. The cult, already uses fear and intimidation to get normally rational people to turn, before we all burn...
19-11-2019 19:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
I'm not really sure taking things to the extreme right off, is the best course. The 'believers' have several levels as well. We do, on occasion, get a few on the F.B.R. level, but many still have a chance to be save from their wicked ways. Climate Change doesn't make any rational sense, so many travel the web, hoping to find some rational answers. The IPCC, and other F.B.R. sites on add to the confusion, creating more questions, than answers, sucking new victims, into their evil flock. Democrats are particularly weak to this vile disease, as they have a natural need to believe BS, and a willingness to regurgitate whatever foulness they are told. They tend to scare easy, and likely to retreat into the false safety of the doomsday cult. I don't believe intimidation is the best path here, we should encourage the new members to think rationally, and for themselves, in a less threatening manner. The cult, already uses fear and intimidation to get normally rational people to turn, before we all burn...


There is no 'left' or 'right' in science. Science, logic, and mathematics does not use fear or intimidation. They do, however, expose the fear and intimidation used by the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green.

It the same fear and intimidation used by all socialists. It is used by the Church of Karl Marx.

When someone searches the web looking in places like the IPCC or other site supporting the Church of Global Warming, they are already believers, simply looking for ways to justify their belief. They are not 'on the fence' as you might think.

One who is 'on the fence' already mistrusts all this noise, fear, and intimidation from the Church of Global Warming they are hearing.


The Parrot Killer
19-11-2019 19:30
James___
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spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".



I think this is why we have the Boltzmann's ideal gas law and Avagrado's number. Then if we divide the volume of the room by 22.4 liters and then apply KE = 3/2kT/n we can consider the upper and lower limits of a molecules velocity.
When we know those 2 limits then we can know the average amount of electromagnetic radiation (background radiation) is in a room per molecule.
Of course where KE = 1/2mv^2, it's velocity might have a relationship with its mass and the amount of background radiation. I mean which goes faster with a 427? GasGuzzler's truck or a Shelby Cobra? And if they were gas molecules then GasGuzzler being in a collision with his truck would be driving away accelerating quickly in his new Shelby Cobra.
Of course this also suggests the Earth's position around the Sun (its orbit) might be the main reason for climate change. Yet for some reason climate change scientists are stuck on the absorption/emission spectrum of CO2.
19-11-2019 19:44
spot
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Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


The temperature of a house cannot be measured. You don't have enough thermometers. There are many different temperature in any house (or apartment!) that are different from a thermostat reading on the wall. That changes if any windows are open or not, or if drapes are pulled shut or not, or whether certain doors are open or shut.

However, thermostats are nevertheless useful. They set your heating system to keep most of those temperatures in a comfortable range. Forced air systems are balanced for different pressures in different rooms for most common cases of doors, windows, or drapes. Further, you can do some balancing yourself using the heating registers.

That way you won't roast in a small bathroom while the living room is cold.


Question? What is it about my post that made you think I wanted to know more about thermostats? I was insulting you.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
19-11-2019 21:13
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


The temperature of a house cannot be measured. You don't have enough thermometers. There are many different temperature in any house (or apartment!) that are different from a thermostat reading on the wall. That changes if any windows are open or not, or if drapes are pulled shut or not, or whether certain doors are open or shut.

However, thermostats are nevertheless useful. They set your heating system to keep most of those temperatures in a comfortable range. Forced air systems are balanced for different pressures in different rooms for most common cases of doors, windows, or drapes. Further, you can do some balancing yourself using the heating registers.

That way you won't roast in a small bathroom while the living room is cold.


Question? What is it about my post that made you think I wanted to know more about thermostats? I was insulting you.


YOU brought up the subject. You have only yourself to blame.


The Parrot Killer
19-11-2019 22:08
spot
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Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


The temperature of a house cannot be measured. You don't have enough thermometers. There are many different temperature in any house (or apartment!) that are different from a thermostat reading on the wall. That changes if any windows are open or not, or if drapes are pulled shut or not, or whether certain doors are open or shut.

However, thermostats are nevertheless useful. They set your heating system to keep most of those temperatures in a comfortable range. Forced air systems are balanced for different pressures in different rooms for most common cases of doors, windows, or drapes. Further, you can do some balancing yourself using the heating registers.

That way you won't roast in a small bathroom while the living room is cold.


Question? What is it about my post that made you think I wanted to know more about thermostats? I was insulting you.


YOU brought up the subject. You have only yourself to blame.


So if I mention Bovine fecal matter you will give us an essay on your half remembered trivia on that?

While your autistically doing everything literal, take a long walk off a short pier.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
20-11-2019 00:03
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Third world guy wrote:
On the controversial issue of climate change there are various positions that we all know: alarmist, alarmed, moderate believers, skeptics, dimensioners (my particular case), and radical denialists.

My fortunate presence in this forum has made me know a position I never imagined, that of IBdaMann and Into the Night.

I would call them 'destructionists', a form of iconoclasty of the religion of climate change.

I must confess that I like this position, and I am about to assume it.

I have fun every time a naive comes to this forum with light arguments, and the way these destructionists placate them.


Beware...that way lies madness. You will find yourself arguing with your other half over the thermostat settings screaming; "THE HOUSE TEMPERATURE CANNOT BE MEASURED, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH THERMOMETERS!!!".


The temperature of a house cannot be measured. You don't have enough thermometers. There are many different temperature in any house (or apartment!) that are different from a thermostat reading on the wall. That changes if any windows are open or not, or if drapes are pulled shut or not, or whether certain doors are open or shut.

However, thermostats are nevertheless useful. They set your heating system to keep most of those temperatures in a comfortable range. Forced air systems are balanced for different pressures in different rooms for most common cases of doors, windows, or drapes. Further, you can do some balancing yourself using the heating registers.

That way you won't roast in a small bathroom while the living room is cold.


Question? What is it about my post that made you think I wanted to know more about thermostats? I was insulting you.


YOU brought up the subject. You have only yourself to blame.


So if I mention Bovine fecal matter you will give us an essay on your half remembered trivia on that?

Bovine fecal matter has often been blamed for 'global warming', along with bovine farts, both of which give off methane gas, one of the so-called 'magick' gases that somehow create energy out of nothing.
spot wrote:
While your autistically doing everything literal,

Autism has little to do with anything literal. Indeed, such usually have difficulty reading or writing well at all. The condition often results in poor social interactions at all, as well as poor reading or writing ability. Under severe cases, rhythmic repetitive body actions (such as rocking, etc.) is seen. Autism has nothing to do with the Church of Global Warming or any other religion.
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spot wrote:
take a long walk off a short pier.

It is quite possible to take a long walk of a short pier...if the water is frozen sufficiently!


This DOES have something to do with so-called 'global warming', according to the faithful, who say there will be fewer piers where water freezes sufficiently to do this.


The Parrot Killer
20-11-2019 00:39
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:While your autistically doing everything literal, take a long walk off a short pier.

Would you like me to do that? I don't mind. I walk on water.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist




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