16-03-2020 17:38 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:you probably are and remain asymptomatic. That's the very point that I am making. However, according to your assertions of how the immune system works, I wouldn't be able to "remain asymptomatic" upon exposure to it since I would not yet have the antibodies built up to address that specific antigen. I would become symptomatic, THEN I'd have the necessary antibodies built up. You have no clue how the immune system works. tmiddles wrote: Not at all. I have already addressed this. tmiddles wrote: Already addressed. tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:yes I did just address it. You and IBD have not.tmiddles wrote: Yes we have. |
16-03-2020 19:04 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
keepit wrote: Yup. Seems the worst is over. keepit wrote:You can't squish a virus. keepit wrote:They used none of these things until well after the virus had spread out of China. keepit wrote:It is just the winter flu and you should take the usual precautions. keepit wrote: No, watch YOU try to turn this into a semantic argument...again. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 16-03-2020 19:04 |
16-03-2020 19:21 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 4c...20d...4b...16b...4b...16c...4b...4b... No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 19:25 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 17...4a...4b...7... Yes you can. You have no idea how the immune system works. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 19:29 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote: Mantra 31. tmiddles wrote: Yes. tmiddles wrote: Yes it is. tmiddles wrote: So no you cannot inherit immunity to any virus in the sense of genetics." Yes you can. tmiddles wrote: They do. tmiddles wrote: You are simply denying the point. tmiddles wrote: Going for the semantic argument now? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 19:33 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 31...25g...31...7...TMSb4...TMSb8...20a1...29...20b...29...29a2...29...1... No argument presented. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 19:55 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:...do you know what antibodies are and how they function? (again, a rhetorical question)Yes I do. You do not inherit them. It is possible to inherit them. tmiddles wrote: Nope. We get vaccinated for some of the stuff we can't inherit. tmiddles wrote: Nope. It can develop them completely independent of any exposure. tmiddles wrote: Yes. You have it wrong. tmiddles wrote: That usually has symptoms, dude. tmiddles wrote: Mantras 29...16b. RQAA. tmiddles wrote: It does work that way. tmiddles wrote: Apparently YOU don't. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 19:59 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantras 31..31...29...29...29... No argument presented. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
16-03-2020 23:33 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14401) |
tmiddles wrote: You love to hide in word games. That is your game, but I'll beat you at it nonetheless. tmiddles wrote:Antibodies will protect you from specific antigens. Nope. My antibodies protect me from foreign bodies in general. tmiddles wrote: You and I don't have antobodies to protect us from either the 1919 Spanish Flu or the 2019 coronavirus (unless we are infected now). You are incorrect. Next. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
17-03-2020 05:32 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:tmiddles wrote:You do not inherit them. IBdaMann wrote:tmiddles wrote: You and I don't have antibodies to protect us from either the 1919 Spanish Flu or the 2019 coronavirus (unless we are infected now).You are incorrect. Next. Well I have to say I was wrong in part here. You cannot inherit specific antibodies genetically (say that match the Spanish flue or anything else) so you're not "immune". A mother can pass antibodies on to a baby but the effect is temporary. That certainly count's as some type of "inheritance" it's fair to say. There are of course generic antibodies to deal with any foreign invader. The specific antibodies are more effective in dealing with a specific antigen, whatever that might be. Anyway I was confused on that true enough. If someone had antibodies that matched Covid-19 they would be "immune" meaning that the Virus would be so effectively fought off by the immune system with the aid of the specific antibodies that the Virus would not be successful. I thought this was interesting: https://www.ocregister.com/2015/02/18/why-cant-my-newborn-be-vaccinated-infants-and-measles-what-parents-need-to-know/ If a newborn has antibodies (directly from the Mother's blood, not genetically inherited) they can bind to the measles vaccine and prevent it from being effective. This is why the vaccine isn't effective until a newborn is older. measles is a good example of a virus that our genetically provided immune system, as a species, is ill equipped to fight without the help of a vaccine. |
17-03-2020 05:40 | |
duncan61★★★★★ (2021) |
you suckers cant even agree on this.Wow.We have new cases in West Aus and both my sons are on house quarantine for 14 days as they went to Bali.We are all pretty sure the Airport will close in 48 hours and we will isolate our state and have no people enter from the east |
17-03-2020 06:17 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
duncan61 wrote: It's actually a very good parallel to the climate debate. Without knowing this was coming we brought it up earlier since mandatory government vaccinations are en example of the government intervening for the greater good. From November: So OK I'll pick something: Vaccinations to prevent disease. IBdaMann wrote:Vaccinations appear to work as intended, but in rare cases there are detrimental, even fatal, unintended side effects. If "vaccinations" are a falsifiable theory then it did not survive the scientific method. Into the Night wrote: I'm not saying that climate change justifies such action just that the vaccinations are a perfect example of a proper application of that invasion of personal liberty. Also it's an invasion of personal liberty based on science that is difficult for he average person to understand well. |
17-03-2020 09:44 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:tmiddles wrote:You do not inherit them. You can inherit antibodies genetically also. tmiddles wrote: That is another path. The effect can be permanent as well. tmiddles wrote: Both do. tmiddles wrote: No, they are not more effective. tmiddles wrote: You still are. You are completely clueless on immune systems and how they work. tmiddles wrote: A group antibody is just as successful. tmiddles wrote: This is one example of a temporary benefit. That does not include all antibodies. tmiddles wrote: Compositional error fallacy. Mantra 9a. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-03-2020 09:45 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
duncan61 wrote: Welcome to the paranoia. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
17-03-2020 09:54 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:duncan61 wrote: Government intervention by forcing vaccionations is unconstitutional. It can also kill. Vaccines are not science. Their development is based on a theory of science, but the vaccine itself is not science. Forced vaccinations are not a proper invasion of personal liberty. It is also not based on science. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
18-03-2020 05:28 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:You're correct technically, our DNA contains instructions to build antibodies, but it's a difference without a distinction. On this subject the ability to be what is called "immune" by having specific antibodies for say measles, is not something that is inherited by anyone. While it might be possible that doesn't matter, since it's not happening.tmiddles wrote:You cannot inherit specific antibodies genetically (say that match the Spanish flue or anything else) so you're not "immune".You can inherit antibodies genetically also. Into the Night wrote:So why give vaccines?tmiddles wrote: If you are struggling with the spread of a virus that is going to kill people, pointing out that other viruses are dealt with successfully by our immune system in no way protects us from the virus that isn't. Into the Night wrote:Vaccines are not science. Their development is based on a theory of science, but the vaccine itself is not science. Why does it matter what does and does not fit into your personal definition of science? Do you like donuts ITN? Me too. Sorry bub, they are not science. How about internet access? I just think it's the bees knees don't you? Sorry, not science. So what? Why are you always pointing out what YOU don't think is science? Wouldn't "Not worthwhile" or "Not authentic" or other "NOT" labels be more useful? Edited on 18-03-2020 05:31 |
18-03-2020 05:38 | |
Amanbir Grewal★☆☆☆☆ (123) |
FLOWING DRAGON CATCHING FLY I AM AN AMERICAN. |
18-03-2020 05:55 | |
keepit★★★★★ (3058) |
Tmid, They use 100 year old philosophies of science and 100 year old techniques of propaganda, neither of which work for me. |
18-03-2020 06:03 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
keepit wrote:I have to say I don't agree with you there keepit. It was never a philosophy of science 100 years ago, or a technique, to refuse to consider the research and information that were available. Even when they didn't have much research, just their direct experience with the world, science has always embraced all the evidence it could muster. Even a 100 years ago you'd get a good solid demand like: Into the Night wrote:Surface Detail wrote: Ah the young ITN of 2015, how did he get so lost. rom his thread, the Data Mine |
18-03-2020 16:16 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
tmiddles wrote:keepit wrote:I have to say I don't agree with you there keepit. It was never a philosophy of science 100 years ago, or a technique, to refuse to consider the research and information that were available. Even when they didn't have much research, just their direct experience with the world, science has always embraced all the evidence it could muster. Meanwhile in the US, reports of airplanes flying around Dayton, Ohio were ignored because people believed that powered flight was impossible because Langley, America's foremost scientist spectacularly failed in plain view of the public with his demonstrations on the Potomac River. Langley was the director of the Smithsonian Institution and Langley AFB is named after him. Also, breaking the sound barrier was considered impossible in the US. Kind of why Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier was important. It showed educated people that it was possible without catastrophic failure occurring. I guess this is where for what I want to do, Europe works for me because what I'm pursuing is a part of their history and something that would help to justify the EU's carbon neutral policy of burning trees. And those 2 things are basically meaningless in the US. Thanks tmiddle for helping me to understand why Americans find no value in what goals I am pursuing at the moment. |
19-03-2020 10:11 | |
Amanbir Grewal★☆☆☆☆ (123) |
crop circles are on my mind. and now this virus???? |
19-03-2020 19:07 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:keepit wrote:I have to say I don't agree with you there keepit. It was never a philosophy of science 100 years ago, or a technique, to refuse to consider the research and information that were available. Even when they didn't have much research, just their direct experience with the world, science has always embraced all the evidence it could muster. Science doesn't use supporting evidence. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
19-03-2020 19:21 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:You're correct technically, our DNA contains instructions to build antibodies, but it's a difference without a distinction. On this subject the ability to be what is called "immune" by having specific antibodies for say measles, is not something that is inherited by anyone. While it might be possible that doesn't matter, since it's not happening.tmiddles wrote:You cannot inherit specific antibodies genetically (say that match the Spanish flue or anything else) so you're not "immune".You can inherit antibodies genetically also. Nope. You CAN inherit immunity, not for measles, but for some (not all) viruses you can. Mantra 16c tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:So why give vaccines?tmiddles wrote:Nope. A group immunity is just as effective as a specific one. Because you can't inherit immunity for certain viruses, like measles. tmiddles wrote: This winter flu season is milder than most. Yes, you can die from a virus even if you have the antibodies for it. tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:Vaccines are not science. Their development is based on a theory of science, but the vaccine itself is not science. Not my definition. Mantra 29...35b1. tmiddles wrote: Occasionally. Science is used to create the recipe and the cooking times for donuts. tmiddles wrote: It is both engineering and science. Information science is a well known branch of science. So is the science behind telecommunications systems. tmiddles wrote: Inversion fallacy. Mantra 17. tmiddles wrote: Mantra 16c...16b. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
19-03-2020 19:26 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14401) |
tmiddles wrote:Even when they didn't have much research, just their direct experience with the world, science has always embraced all the evidence it could muster. 1) Science is not people. You continue to insist that some arbitrary congregation determines and *is* science. You keep insisting that science is some sort of religion. 2) Humans embrace "supporting evidence" to support their existing beliefs. Science "embraces" nothing. The scientific method embraces only contradictory evidence in an atempt to show a model FALSE. You aren't being very "scientific" but are instead being very religious in your approach. You aren't working diligently to show a falsifiable model false (which would be the scientific approach) but rather are trying to somehow establish confirmation of your beliefs (a religious approach). . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
20-03-2020 08:11 | |
Amanbir Grewal★☆☆☆☆ (123) |
ULTRA SWEET Governmental Co-operation will not be sufficient. some how every time a problem of this nature presents itself, GOVERNMENTS GET TO WORK VIGOROUSLY. a shepherd knows about sheep. sheep have things. like fleas. |
25-03-2020 21:27 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:...The scientific method embraces only contradictory evidence in an atempt to show a model FALSE. And I have shown your theories here are false. You are still ducking every one of your latest debunkings: Misuse of the 1st LTD, Plancks Law/SB Law, and glaring hypocrisy of "Valid Data" exposed: https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s720.php#post_53762 15 days with no reply Debating "photons of the lower temperature object are not absorbed by the higher temperature object." and that the a light bulb absorbs the radiance from an oven, IBD claims "go ahead ... I'm ready to debate it.": https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/the-radiative-greenhouse-effect-does-not-exist-d10-e3047-s40.php#post_53357 22 days with no reply 2nd Law and disproving IBD's confusion about Earth being a isolated system: https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/2nd-law-d6-e3030-s80.php#post_53063 28 days with no reply "Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper ITN/IBD Fraud exposed: The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN Edited on 25-03-2020 21:27 |
25-03-2020 22:33 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:...The scientific method embraces only contradictory evidence in an atempt to show a model FALSE. Various mantras... No new argumentation presented. |
25-03-2020 23:02 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21596) |
tmiddles wrote:...deleted Mantra 7...20a1...20a2...20b...20m...25c...29...7...20b...20a2...29...20a2...20i...7...29... No argument presented. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
28-03-2020 20:56 | |
Amanbir Grewal★☆☆☆☆ (123) |
traditional religion has taken a setback in asia as asians are becoming part of a labour movement and this is more important than other continents bcoz asia relied on monks a lot. empty asians who are uprooted from their identity in their own country bcoz of local economic boom and miracles without even becoming americans suffer maximum. pandemics in this meta-condition of tranpose cannot be more complex to handle. AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS |
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