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Candle Hypothesis21-08-2020 20:27
keepit
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Brain, kidney, lungs, heart, blood vessels. As a toddler all of these organs are 100% effective but as we age the brain shrinks, the kidneys don't filter as well, the heart gets weaker, the lungs lose tissue, and the blood vessels clog.
When covid attacks a toddler the toddler continues to function very well because the toddler has plenty of reserve. When covid attacks an old person, the old person doesn't do well and maybe dies because, due to aging, he only has a certain percentage of function left when covid strikes. But when covid destroys a certain percentage then all of a sudden the person doesn't doesn't have enough function remaining to sustain life. Without covid striking the old person could have lived comfortably for many years or decades even with a diminished level of reserve.
21-08-2020 21:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Brain, kidney, lungs, heart, blood vessels. As a toddler all of these organs are 100% effective but as we age the brain shrinks, the kidneys don't filter as well, the heart gets weaker, the lungs lose tissue, and the blood vessels clog.
Not necessarily true.
keepit wrote:
When covid attacks a toddler the toddler continues to function very well because the toddler has plenty of reserve.
There is no 'reserve'. A better functioning immune system is not a 'reserve'.
keepit wrote:
When covid attacks an old person, the old person doesn't do well and maybe dies because, due to aging, he only has a certain percentage of function left when covid strikes.
They can often do just fine. Many older people have had Covid19 and never felt ill effects at all.
keepit wrote:
But when covid destroys a certain percentage then all of a sudden the person doesn't doesn't have enough function remaining to sustain life. Without covid striking the old person could have lived comfortably for many years or decades even with a diminished level of reserve.

Life is not a fuel tank, dumbass.


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21-08-2020 22:32
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keepit wrote:
Brain, kidney, lungs, heart, blood vessels. As a toddler all of these organs are 100% effective

Usually, but not necessarily.

I was born with a defective kidney that had to be removed not too long after birth. Thankfully, my other kidney (to this day) has functioned properly.

keepit wrote:
but as we age the brain shrinks, the kidneys don't filter as well, the heart gets weaker, the lungs lose tissue, and the blood vessels clog.

Usually, but not necessarily.

keepit wrote:
When covid attacks a toddler the toddler continues to function very well because the toddler has plenty of reserve.

What is "reserve"? Life is not a fuel tank.

keepit wrote:
When covid attacks an old person, the old person doesn't do well and maybe dies because, due to aging, he only has a certain percentage of function left when covid strikes. But when covid destroys a certain percentage then all of a sudden the person doesn't doesn't have enough function remaining to sustain life. Without covid striking the old person could have lived comfortably for many years or decades even with a diminished level of reserve.

Old people, like anyone else, can do just fine (if their immune system is functioning properly).

Life is not a fuel tank.
Edited on 21-08-2020 22:33
22-08-2020 04:03
HarveyH55
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Ever hear of Karma? It's sort of like your life's balance sheet. Those that live a life of depravity, smoking, drinking, unhealthy foods in excessive quantities, unclean women sitting on your fat ass complaining, tend to put you in debt. Your reward for a disgusting, sloppy lifestyle, is poor health, and wet underwear, when someone mentions Covid-19. All debts are paid in the end, so if you lived a horrible life, you get to die horrible, and a little earlier, if you exceeded the credit limit, as a penalty. Most people live a reasonably balanced life, live a long, healthy time, and die peacefully. At some point, most people become aware of their debt, and do what they can to balance the books. Some people tend to ignore it, and just want to continue having fun, at the expense of others, until there is little time, to make much progress on their karma debt. They get scared, paranoid, as the time comes closer. Sort of like a kid, who did something really bad, and knows he's got a trip out to the woodshed waiting for him, when dad gets home from work.

Covid-19 is nothing more than a cold virus. After it's made a pretty through run through the population, once or twice, it will be no different than any other common cold or flu virus. People being hospitalized for respiratory infections, is really quite common, and little attention is paid to it. Messed up old people, who have trouble standing on their own, tend to always have the most trouble. We are healthiest, when we move around, exercise is essential. Basement dwellers have a minimal of another year, mostly sitting on their ass, likely closer to two years. This party is just getting started. The first round should peak before next summer. We haven't seen the worst of it yet, just putting it off a little, not much.
24-08-2020 06:27
Xadoman
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Young organisms regenerate better. Kids can even regrow a fingertip. Older people on the other hand get accumulated damage from viruses, bacters , diseases. Their conditions could turn chronic over time. Every disease will leave a mark, even a running nose is going to leave a mark. Over time this mark could grow bigger and bigger and some day there will be a constantly enduring sinusitis.
24-08-2020 08:29
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Xadoman wrote:
Young organisms regenerate better. Kids can even regrow a fingertip.
So can adults.
Xadoman wrote:
Older people on the other hand get accumulated damage from viruses, bacters , diseases.
No, it doesn't accumulate.
Xadoman wrote:
Their conditions could turn chronic over time. Every disease will leave a mark, even a running nose is going to leave a mark. Over time this mark could grow bigger and bigger and some day there will be a constantly enduring sinusitis.

You seem to be ignoring the immune system.


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24-08-2020 10:58
Xadoman
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ITN, I just gave an explanation what could happen to people when they age. Many diseases they encounter in their life could go chronic over time. A knee or hip pain could end up with a replacement operation. Running nose could end up with constantly lingering sinusitis. A cough could end up with chronic bronchitis. A Raynaud syndrome could end up with amputed fingers. The list goes on and on.
24-08-2020 19:13
HarveyH55
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Xadoman wrote:
ITN, I just gave an explanation what could happen to people when they age. Many diseases they encounter in their life could go chronic over time. A knee or hip pain could end up with a replacement operation. Running nose could end up with constantly lingering sinusitis. A cough could end up with chronic bronchitis. A Raynaud syndrome could end up with amputed fingers. The list goes on and on.


Name one mammal that lives forever...

Diseases don't generally leave long lasting damage, some take a while to fully heal. Most of the damage that worries you so much, comes from lifestyle choices. Some people are abusive, the drink, smoke, take drugs, don't eat foods that are particularly health, or in reasonable quantities. Some people are really into sports, and take it to the extreme, to succeed. Many jobs are physically damaging, and most don't allow themselves to fully heal, before punching the clock, and tearing themselves up some more. Even office jockies can abuse themselves, with stress.

How long we live, and our quality of life, is mostly based on the choices we made throughout our lives. Children are constantly growing, not just replacing expired cells. Children are also not generally required to return to the same task, that got them injured in the first place. They get to take it easy, long as it takes. What's disturbed me for a long time, is how freely parents are willing to put young children, on long term medications. They are still growing, developing, maturing. These chemicals can't have a good influence on the natural process. When I was a kid, basically there was asthma inhalers, and maybe two for behavioral issues (poor parenting). That list has grown to dozens, specially the behavior modifiers. Better parenting, through chemistry. It's worse for kids, since they aren't give any options.

As we get older though, and we are free from our parents choices, we are faced with similar choices of our own. We all make certain lifestyle choices, not particularly healthy, and there are drugs available that will help compensate for some of those choices. Rather than change the lifestyle, we choose the medications. The medication lifestyle, really isn't any better than the excessive lifestyle. You can probably get the idea, from many of the TV commercials these days. There are all kinds of drug commercials, that recommend you ask your doctor to let you try. There are also an equal number of class action lawsuits, sometimes for the same drugs, that were just advertised... I really can't imagine anyone even being tempted, as the quickly read through the possible side effects. But hey, if it lets old people get back to their 'normal' abusive choices, the enjoyed most of their lives...
24-08-2020 20:01
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Xadoman wrote:
ITN, I just gave an explanation what could happen to people when they age.
It's also wrong.
Xadoman wrote:
Many diseases they encounter in their life could go chronic over time.
Diseases don't 'accumulate'. Anyone can get a chronic disease at any age.
Xadoman wrote:
A knee or hip pain could end up with a replacement operation.
Can happen at any age.
Xadoman wrote:
Running nose could end up with constantly lingering sinusitis.
Can happen at any age.
Xadoman wrote:
A cough could end up with chronic bronchitis.
Can happen at any age.
Xadoman wrote:
A Raynaud syndrome could end up with amputed fingers. The list goes on and on.

Can happen at any age. You can keep making attempts at special pleadings, but you are still wrong. Age is not necessarily disease.


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25-08-2020 10:36
Xadoman
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ITN, it usually takes time for some ilness to turn chronic. You are not getting a chronic sinusitis or bronchitis overnight. The damage from previous accute ilnesses accumulate over time and things go chronic over time. That was my point.
25-08-2020 11:57
Xadoman
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Name one mammal that lives forever...


I agree with most what you said on your post. Specially about the medication. I have mentioned it before but I have taken some drugs that are prescriebed as candy nowadays and the side effects were awful. I got serious physical sides when I tried to discontinue an antidepressant. I could not sleep a single second for the whole week when I stopped an antipsyhotic cold turkey. I quited because I read about the side effects they could cause. I know from my own experience that tardive dyskinesia, which is a side effect of those drugs( specially when quitting) , is living hell. You can not seat or lay calmly for no more than 10 seconds. After that you need to move your leg or hand or start walking. How could you sleep in this situation? Of course you can not. You need a heavy duty sleeping pill. Simple melatonin spray does not work, I know because I sprayed the whole bottle in my mouth and it did not work at all. At the end of the day you have to pop so money pills just to diminsh side effects from another pill. This endless loop grows bigger and bigger and after some time the person who pops all those pills is a complete wreck. Those tremoring zombies they show in the videos are the cause of medication not from the mentall illness.
25-08-2020 13:16
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Xadoman wrote:
ITN, it usually takes time for some ilness to turn chronic.
You are not getting a chronic sinusitis or bronchitis overnight. The damage from previous accute ilnesses accumulate over time and things go chronic over time.
That was my point.

Illness does not accumulate. Chronic illnesses can occur at any age.


The Parrot Killer

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25-08-2020 13:17
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Xadoman wrote:
Name one mammal that lives forever...


I agree with most what you said on your post. Specially about the medication. I have mentioned it before but I have taken some drugs that are prescriebed as candy nowadays and the side effects were awful. I got serious physical sides when I tried to discontinue an antidepressant. I could not sleep a single second for the whole week when I stopped an antipsyhotic cold turkey. I quited because I read about the side effects they could cause. I know from my own experience that tardive dyskinesia, which is a side effect of those drugs( specially when quitting) , is living hell. You can not seat or lay calmly for no more than 10 seconds. After that you need to move your leg or hand or start walking. How could you sleep in this situation? Of course you can not. You need a heavy duty sleeping pill. Simple melatonin spray does not work, I know because I sprayed the whole bottle in my mouth and it did not work at all. At the end of the day you have to pop so money pills just to diminsh side effects from another pill. This endless loop grows bigger and bigger and after some time the person who pops all those pills is a complete wreck. Those tremoring zombies they show in the videos are the cause of medication not from the mentall illness.


Get off your drugs.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
25-08-2020 14:50
Xadoman
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Illness does not accumulate. Chronic illnesses can occur at any age.


They can but usually it takes a lot of accumulated damage from previous illnesses for a disease to become chronic. For example if you work in a dusty environment you can get a lot of irritation in the airways- running nose, sore throat etc etc. Over time the irritation in the nose or throat could turn into something more serious - constantly lingering sinusitis or chronic bronchitis. This is what I mean about the accumulated damage and its concequences.

Get off your drugs.


I am and for about 4 years now. It was very difficult to stop those drugs but I made it. Nowadays I stay away from anything addictive - I dont drink, smoke , do drugs, watch porn or anything else that could cause addiction problems. I have to admit that I am prone to binge eating but I can control it with a good diet( a lot of meat preferably).
25-08-2020 21:00
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Xadoman wrote:
Illness does not accumulate. Chronic illnesses can occur at any age.


They can but usually it takes a lot of accumulated damage from previous illnesses for a disease to become chronic.

No. Illnesses do not accumulate.
Xadoman wrote:
For example if you work in a dusty environment you can get a lot of irritation in the airways- running nose, sore throat etc etc. Over time the irritation in the nose or throat could turn into something more serious - constantly lingering sinusitis or chronic bronchitis. This is what I mean about the accumulated damage and its concequences.

Stay out of dusty environments or use a mask. Put in ear protection for noisy environments or lose your hearing. It's really pretty simple.
Xadoman wrote:

Get off your drugs.


I am and for about 4 years now. It was very difficult to stop those drugs but I made it. Nowadays I stay away from anything addictive - I dont drink, smoke , do drugs, watch porn or anything else that could cause addiction problems. I have to admit that I am prone to binge eating but I can control it with a good diet( a lot of meat preferably).

Good.


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25-08-2020 23:10
HarveyH55
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Xadoman wrote:
Illness does not accumulate. Chronic illnesses can occur at any age.


They can but usually it takes a lot of accumulated damage from previous illnesses for a disease to become chronic. For example if you work in a dusty environment you can get a lot of irritation in the airways- running nose, sore throat etc etc. Over time the irritation in the nose or throat could turn into something more serious - constantly lingering sinusitis or chronic bronchitis. This is what I mean about the accumulated damage and its concequences.

Get off your drugs.


I am and for about 4 years now. It was very difficult to stop those drugs but I made it. Nowadays I stay away from anything addictive - I dont drink, smoke , do drugs, watch porn or anything else that could cause addiction problems. I have to admit that I am prone to binge eating but I can control it with a good diet( a lot of meat preferably).


The chronic conditions you refer to, isn't so much the disease, but the individual not changing their lifestyle. If you have a job, that damages your back, would you think returning to the same job, doing the same work, likely going to produce more back problems? Most people seldom wait, until fully healed, just healed enough, to return to work. Your sinus issues might have cleared, if you hadn't kept going back, to the same place that was causing the problem. Lot of people with heart problems usually have two things in common, they like rich, fatty foods, fried foods, and eat little else. And they aren't really much for being physically active, and more than the have to
26-08-2020 00:16
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Xadoman wrote:
Illness does not accumulate. Chronic illnesses can occur at any age.


They can but usually it takes a lot of accumulated damage from previous illnesses for a disease to become chronic. For example if you work in a dusty environment you can get a lot of irritation in the airways- running nose, sore throat etc etc. Over time the irritation in the nose or throat could turn into something more serious - constantly lingering sinusitis or chronic bronchitis. This is what I mean about the accumulated damage and its concequences.

Get off your drugs.


I am and for about 4 years now. It was very difficult to stop those drugs but I made it. Nowadays I stay away from anything addictive - I dont drink, smoke , do drugs, watch porn or anything else that could cause addiction problems. I have to admit that I am prone to binge eating but I can control it with a good diet( a lot of meat preferably).


The chronic conditions you refer to, isn't so much the disease, but the individual not changing their lifestyle. If you have a job, that damages your back, would you think returning to the same job, doing the same work, likely going to produce more back problems? Most people seldom wait, until fully healed, just healed enough, to return to work. Your sinus issues might have cleared, if you hadn't kept going back, to the same place that was causing the problem. Lot of people with heart problems usually have two things in common, they like rich, fatty foods, fried foods, and eat little else. And they aren't really much for being physically active, and more than the have to

You've got that right!


The Parrot Killer

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26-08-2020 09:17
Xadoman
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The chronic conditions you refer to, isn't so much the disease, but the individual not changing their lifestyle.


Harvey, you live in a warm sunny climate. When was the last time you had a running nose or sore throat? Of course you do not remember it. The point is that people live in different places around the world. High humidity and cold winters wreck havoc on people airways. Chronic bronchitis is very common here. 20% of adults have it here. The only option is to move to another place but that is not so simple as it sounds.
26-08-2020 09:42
Xadoman
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No. Illnesses do not accumulate.


Yes they do. For example accute bronchitis is a inflammation of the airways. It leaves some kind of mark , scar tissue or whatever the hell it is but once you have had one accute bronchitis then you are prone to get it also next time. I know from my own experience. I do not smoke, drink etc but approximately ten years ago I had my first accute brochitis during winter. The blood test showed it was viral. After that I am really prone to getting a bronchitis. Every bug that starts from the nose wants to move down to the bronchis. I can see where this viscious cycle will lead eventually. That is also why I want to move to another climate during winters. This is a common practise with people who have pulmonary problems. People used to cure tuberculosis back in the day with better climate.
Or for example the imflammation of the heart muscle. You can get it from overtraining or from some viral ilness but once you have had it you are very prone to get another one.
I understand why many guys are worried about the coronavirus. This could trigger an underlaying condition which could end up being fatal.
26-08-2020 18:12
HarveyH55
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Xadoman wrote:
The chronic conditions you refer to, isn't so much the disease, but the individual not changing their lifestyle.


Harvey, you live in a warm sunny climate. When was the last time you had a running nose or sore throat? Of course you do not remember it. The point is that people live in different places around the world. High humidity and cold winters wreck havoc on people airways. Chronic bronchitis is very common here. 20% of adults have it here. The only option is to move to another place but that is not so simple as it sounds.


It happens occasionally, but I often go years in between. Never been a real big deal. I have 4 brothers, so probably went through quite a few viruses growing up. We had to have a pretty high fever, or puking all over the place, to get excused from chores, or anything else. Probably don't sweat the small stuff out of habit. Mostly though, if I keep getting the same medical issue, I change the behavior that puts me at risk. I didn't move to Florida for healthy living, but economics and job opportunities. There are other health hazards, related to the warmer climate, and they haven't been difficult to deal with either.

Respiratory infections pass pretty quickly in an office, or any other environment, where there are a lot of people, sharing a small space. If you are have frequent issues with respiratory infections, but still go back to the same invironment, you are going to continue having the same problem.
27-08-2020 09:47
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Xadoman wrote:
No. Illnesses do not accumulate.


Yes they do.
No, they don't.
Xadoman wrote:
For example accute bronchitis is a inflammation of the airways. It leaves some kind of mark , scar tissue or whatever the hell it is but once you have had one accute bronchitis then you are prone to get it also next time.
Nope.
Xadoman wrote:
I know from my own experience. I do not smoke, drink etc but approximately ten years ago I had my first accute brochitis during winter. The blood test showed it was viral. After that I am really prone to getting a bronchitis. Every bug that starts from the nose wants to move down to the bronchis. I can see where this viscious cycle will lead eventually. That is also why I want to move to another climate during winters. This is a common practise with people who have pulmonary problems.
I suggest you try cleaning the dust out of your house.
Xadoman wrote:
People used to cure tuberculosis back in the day with better climate.
There was no cure for tuberculosis then. Moving to a drier climate would help alleviate the symptoms, but it did not cure it. It would eventually kill you. Today there is a treatment. It is a bacteriological infection. It is not a virus.
Xadoman wrote:
Or for example the imflammation of the heart muscle. You can get it from overtraining or from some viral ilness but once you have had it you are very prone to get another one.
Nope. The heart can repair itself, just like any muscle.
Xadoman wrote:
I understand why many guys are worried about the coronavirus.
Your understanding is faulty again. You are ignoring the immune system.
Xadoman wrote:
This could trigger an underlaying condition which could end up being fatal.

No one has died from covid19.


The Parrot Killer

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Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit




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