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Can refusing to believe make the problem magically disappear?22-05-2024 00:56
Im a BM
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What can an individual do to address the problem of climate change?

If you can't change reality, at least you can change what you believe.

The easiest way to solve a "problem" is to redefine it.

"Global Warming" is just "thermal enrichment".

What? Do you want everyone to FREEZE TO DEATH?

"Greenhouse gas" is just "plant food".

What? Do you want ALL THE PLANTS TO DIE?

But some of the peskier problems might require more than just rebranding.

If you can't wish the identified problem away by rebranding it, just wish away the words used to describe it.

"There is no such thing as 'climate change'".

I feel better already!

See?

There IS something you can do without having to actually DO anything.

Just refuse to believe, and the "problem" will magically disappear.
22-05-2024 06:12
keepit
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If an individual spends less money he causes less co2 to be produced.
22-05-2024 06:22
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:If an individual spends less money he causes less co2 to be produced.

You really are full of baloney, keepit. Too many false statements.
24-05-2024 01:49
keepit
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ibd,
I'm not full of baloney or false statements. You just don't agree with me because you've been subjected to too much propaganda. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when we were alerted to russian propaganda. i've been sensitive to propaganda in general ever since.
24-05-2024 05:57
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: ibd, I'm not full of baloney or false statements.

Baloney! You're full of false statements. You can't be believed.

keepit wrote: You just don't agree with me because you've been subjected to too much propaganda.

You're full of baloney, keepit. I can't agree with you because you have yet to make a coherent post. I've hired linguists using powerful AI language processing software to translate your strange language, and those parts that can be interpreted are just not true. The rest is simply not understandable.

You might actually be just a doorstop, I don't know.

In any event, you're full of baloney.

keepit wrote: I grew up in the 50's and 60's when we were alerted to russian propaganda.

You were alerted to it, but you were never taught how to recognize it.

keepit wrote: i've been sensitive to propaganda in general ever since.

Is that because you're such a thenthitive guy?
24-05-2024 07:16
GasGuzzler
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Im a BM wrote:
What can an individual do to address the problem of climate change?

What can an individual do to get you to define " climate change" and specify the problems it is creating?

Please specify how one can identify a " climate change problem" vs normal variability of naturally occuring events.

Thanks in advance.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
24-05-2024 07:42
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Im a BM wrote:
What can an individual do to address the problem of climate change?

What can an individual do to get you to define " climate change" and specify the problems it is creating?

Please specify how one can identify a " climate change problem" vs normal variability of naturally occuring events.

Thanks in advance.

I was hoping he could explain why any rational adult should share his consuming obsession with elemental carbon, or believe that ocean water somehow cannot evaporate.
24-05-2024 20:44
Im a BM
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keepit wrote:
ibd,
I'm not full of baloney or false statements. You just don't agree with me because you've been subjected to too much propaganda. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when we were alerted to russian propaganda. i've been sensitive to propaganda in general ever since.



Hey, speaking of growing up in the 50's and 60's, the weather used to be a lot less extreme back then.

Saw a front page article today about how much it is going to cost to install air conditioning in school districts that NOW have a problem with classrooms getting too hot to teach in.

Those schools were built in the 60's and 70's, when the weather wasn't so extreme and it wasn't so hot.

They didn't NEED air conditioners before, so they didn't spend money to install them when the schools were constructed.

It would be a good comedy sketch to show a PTA meeting where school officials are trying to explain to the community why they can't afford to keep all the educational programs AND install AC, without raising taxes or otherwise making up for the budget deficit.

Some of the parents are very angry.

Some of them are enraged that anyone is gullible enough to believe that it is getting warmer.

The thermometers weren't as good in the 60's and 70's, so none of that data is reliable.

Those kids and teachers pretending to have heat exhaustion or being taken off by ambulance for heat stroke were just CRISIS ACTORS.

Just refuse to believe that the problem is real, and you don't have to do ANYTHING.

Except maybe become enraged that anyone is claiming that the problem is real.
24-05-2024 20:52
GasGuzzler
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That IS intriguing. What city were they talking about?
24-05-2024 21:05
Im a BM
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GasGuzzler wrote:
That IS intriguing. What city were they talking about?


You can see the story is today's (May 24, 2024) edition of the Washington Post.

Cities include Baltimore, Detroit, and Philadelphia, but the list is much longer.

The article includes maps of the whole country showing where there was more than one month of school days with temperatures in excess of 80 deg F.

Things sure have gotten warmer since the 70's.

But then, Texas had the problem with the power grid being built before anyone anticipated climate change.

Their problem was that they didn't predict that extreme weather would also include occasional COLD events like never before.

Maybe there is so much corruption in schools throughout the whole country that they just want to cash in on the hoax, and get some sweetheart contracts to install AC where they don't really need it.
24-05-2024 22:17
GasGuzzler
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Im a BM wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
That IS intriguing. What city were they talking about?


You can see the story is today's (May 24, 2024) edition of the Washington Post.

Cities include Baltimore, Detroit, and Philadelphia, but the list is much longer.

The article includes maps of the whole country showing where there was more than one month of school days with temperatures in excess of 80 deg F.

Things sure have gotten warmer since the 70's.

But then, Texas had the problem with the power grid being built before anyone anticipated climate change.

Their problem was that they didn't predict that extreme weather would also include occasional COLD events like never before.

Maybe there is so much corruption in schools throughout the whole country that they just want to cash in on the hoax, and get some sweetheart contracts to install AC where they don't really need it.

Great! I'll do a deep dive into some numbers. In the meantime, do you have any explanation how climate change causes hot AND cold extremes?


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
24-05-2024 22:29
GasGuzzler
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Im a BM wrote:
But then, Texas had the problem with the power grid being built before anyone anticipated climate change.

Their problem was that they didn't predict that extreme weather would also include occasional COLD events like never before..


Just a quick look at Dallas...there doesn't appear to be any increase in extreme cold with the onset of climate change. The all time record low was -3 F in 1920


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
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24-05-2024 22:39
GasGuzzler
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I took a quick look at Dallas days at 80 F or greater since 80 is the threshold where kids apparently stop learning. Gosh, I'm not seeing many recent years in the top spots.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
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24-05-2024 23:02
Im a BM
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The immediate problem I see with the Dallas data set is the too high threshold for what is considered "cold". The power grid didn't fail due to freezing because the temperature was just a little less than 5 degrees. And it lasted for days.

The Washington Post story today (May 24, 2024) is titled "Schools that never needed AC are now overheating. Fix will cost billions." by Anna Phillips and Veronica Penney.


No manipulation of Dallas data will make it go away.

How does global warming cause extreme COLD events?

One example:

Up near the North Pole, some very cold air gets added to the atmospheric mix.

If it is warm enough at the SURFACE, there is driving force of rising air to send that cold air south.

The NEW CHANGE is that it sometimes travels much farther south than it used to.

Snow in Saudi Arabia, for example.

New records for the COLDEST temperatures ever recorded in those places.

But those records are outnumbered about 3:1 by the new record HOTTEST temperatures ever recorded in those places.

And you don't need an "unambiguous definition" for "climate change" to see that it is happening.

Or to be allowed to even discuss it.



GasGuzzler wrote:
Im a BM wrote:
But then, Texas had the problem with the power grid being built before anyone anticipated climate change.

Their problem was that they didn't predict that extreme weather would also include occasional COLD events like never before..


Just a quick look at Dallas...there doesn't appear to be any increase in extreme cold with the onset of climate change. The all time record low was -3 F in 1920
24-05-2024 23:03
GasGuzzler
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I wanted to be fair since it does appear that Dallas is immune to climate change, so I went north a bit to Oklahoma City.

Here are the days above 80 F. Still not seeing many recent years in the top spots. Mmm.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
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24-05-2024 23:05
GasGuzzler
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Well, maybe climate change is getting Oklahoma City with cold weather....mmmm....struck out AGAIN!


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
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Edited on 24-05-2024 23:07
24-05-2024 23:12
Im a BM
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Selective "cherry picking" of data can ensure that an incorrect hypothesis gets the desired result.

Is somebody LYING about the situation regarding the need to install AC in schools that did not need it in previous decades?

Cherry picking Oklahoma data "won't help you".

I love the "..won't help you" part.

"Citing some random paper won't help you." - Into the Night

That "random paper" was my own, published in the journal Nature, cited in about 800 different peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbooks, and often cited for its relevance to climate change.

It will come as no surprise that if you scour enough data sets, you will find at least one where you can cherry pick data out of context and "prove" something that is quite incorrect.



GasGuzzler wrote:
I wanted to be fair since it does appear that Dallas is immune to climate change, so I went north a bit to Oklahoma City.

Here are the days above 80 F. Still not seeing many recent years in the top spots. Mmm.
24-05-2024 23:23
GasGuzzler
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Im a BM wrote:
Selective "cherry picking" of data can ensure that an incorrect hypothesis gets the desired result.

Is somebody LYING about the situation regarding the need to install AC in schools that did not need it in previous decades?

Cherry picking Oklahoma data "won't help you".

I love the "..won't help you" part.

"Citing some random paper won't help you." - Into the Night

That "random paper" was my own, published in the journal Nature, cited in about 800 different peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbooks, and often cited for its relevance to climate change.

It will come as no surprise that if you scour enough data sets, you will find at least one where you can cherry pick data out of context and "prove" something that is quite incorrect.



GasGuzzler wrote:
I wanted to be fair since it does appear that Dallas is immune to climate change, so I went north a bit to Oklahoma City.

Here are the days above 80 F. Still not seeing many recent years in the top spots. Mmm.


You called out Texas. Shall I find more data? OK, sit tight. I'll go south a bit.....or would you like to go west? West is is....


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
24-05-2024 23:37
GasGuzzler
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Im a BM wrote:
Selective "cherry picking" of data can ensure that an incorrect hypothesis gets the desired result.

Is somebody LYING about the situation regarding the need to install AC in schools that did not need it in previous decades?

Cherry picking Oklahoma data "won't help you".

I love the "..won't help you" part.

"Citing some random paper won't help you." - Into the Night

That "random paper" was my own, published in the journal Nature, cited in about 800 different peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbooks, and often cited for its relevance to climate change.

It will come as no surprise that if you scour enough data sets, you will find at least one where you can cherry pick data out of context and "prove" something that is quite incorrect.



GasGuzzler wrote:
I wanted to be fair since it does appear that Dallas is immune to climate change, so I went north a bit to Oklahoma City.

Here are the days above 80 F. Still not seeing many recent years in the top spots. Mmm.


You called out Texas. Shall I find more data? OK, sit tight. I'll go south a bit.....or would you like to go west? West is is....

West to Albuquerque New Mexico.

I can't do this all day for you, but you get the idea by now. There's no global warming....uh sorry... climate change.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
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24-05-2024 23:54
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
keepit wrote:
ibd,
I'm not full of baloney or false statements. You just don't agree with me because you've been subjected to too much propaganda. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when we were alerted to russian propaganda. i've been sensitive to propaganda in general ever since.



Hey, speaking of growing up in the 50's and 60's, the weather used to be a lot less extreme back then.

Nope. Tornadoes and hurricanes existed in the 50's and 60's. So heat waves, cold waves, heavy snow, high winds, and thunderstorms.
Im a BM wrote:
Saw a front page article today about how much it is going to cost to install air conditioning in school districts that NOW have a problem with classrooms getting too hot to teach in.

School is taught in winter, moron.
Im a BM wrote:
Those schools were built in the 60's and 70's, when the weather wasn't so extreme and it wasn't so hot.

It's cold in the winter, moron.
Im a BM wrote:
They didn't NEED air conditioners before, so they didn't spend money to install them when the schools were constructed.

Many did. Most buildings today have air conditioning, including many schools.
Im a BM wrote:
It would be a good comedy sketch to show a PTA meeting where school officials are trying to explain to the community why they can't afford to keep all the educational programs AND install AC, without raising taxes or otherwise making up for the budget deficit.

Why? Where's the comedy?
Im a BM wrote:
Some of the parents are very angry.

What parents? About what?
Im a BM wrote:
Some of them are enraged that anyone is gullible enough to believe that it is getting warmer.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
Im a BM wrote:
The thermometers weren't as good in the 60's and 70's, so none of that data is reliable.

Blatant lie. Thermometers then were just as accurate.
Im a BM wrote:
Those kids and teachers pretending to have heat exhaustion or being taken off by ambulance for heat stroke were just CRISIS ACTORS.

You are hallucinating.
Im a BM wrote:
Just refuse to believe that the problem is real, and you don't have to do ANYTHING.

I don't have to worry about YOUR hallucinations.
Im a BM wrote:
Except maybe become enraged that anyone is claiming that the problem is real.

Buzzword fallacy. You don't even know what 'real' means or how it's defined.


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24-05-2024 23:59
Im a BM
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STOP SPAMMING, DUMBASS!

Into the Night wrote:
Im a BM wrote:
keepit wrote:
ibd,
I'm not full of baloney or false statements. You just don't agree with me because you've been subjected to too much propaganda. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when we were alerted to russian propaganda. i've been sensitive to propaganda in general ever since.



Hey, speaking of growing up in the 50's and 60's, the weather used to be a lot less extreme back then.

Nope. Tornadoes and hurricanes existed in the 50's and 60's. So heat waves, cold waves, heavy snow, high winds, and thunderstorms.
Im a BM wrote:
Saw a front page article today about how much it is going to cost to install air conditioning in school districts that NOW have a problem with classrooms getting too hot to teach in.

School is taught in winter, moron.
Im a BM wrote:
Those schools were built in the 60's and 70's, when the weather wasn't so extreme and it wasn't so hot.

It's cold in the winter, moron.
Im a BM wrote:
They didn't NEED air conditioners before, so they didn't spend money to install them when the schools were constructed.

Many did. Most buildings today have air conditioning, including many schools.
Im a BM wrote:
It would be a good comedy sketch to show a PTA meeting where school officials are trying to explain to the community why they can't afford to keep all the educational programs AND install AC, without raising taxes or otherwise making up for the budget deficit.

Why? Where's the comedy?
Im a BM wrote:
Some of the parents are very angry.

What parents? About what?
Im a BM wrote:
Some of them are enraged that anyone is gullible enough to believe that it is getting warmer.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
Im a BM wrote:
The thermometers weren't as good in the 60's and 70's, so none of that data is reliable.

Blatant lie. Thermometers then were just as accurate.
Im a BM wrote:
Those kids and teachers pretending to have heat exhaustion or being taken off by ambulance for heat stroke were just CRISIS ACTORS.

You are hallucinating.
Im a BM wrote:
Just refuse to believe that the problem is real, and you don't have to do ANYTHING.

I don't have to worry about YOUR hallucinations.
Im a BM wrote:
Except maybe become enraged that anyone is claiming that the problem is real.

Buzzword fallacy. You don't even know what 'real' means or how it's defined.
25-05-2024 00:01
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
That IS intriguing. What city were they talking about?


You can see the story is today's (May 24, 2024) edition of the Washington Post.

Cities include Baltimore, Detroit, and Philadelphia, but the list is much longer.

The article includes maps of the whole country showing where there was more than one month of school days with temperatures in excess of 80 deg F.

Things sure have gotten warmer since the 70's.

Argument from randU fallacies. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth or even the temperature of a city.
Im a BM wrote:
But then, Texas had the problem with the power grid being built before anyone anticipated climate change.

Climate cannot change.
Im a BM wrote:
Their problem was that they didn't predict that extreme weather would also include occasional COLD events like never before.

It's happened before. The Texas grid, BTW, did NOT fail. Just a few outages like in any storm.
Im a BM wrote:
Maybe there is so much corruption in schools throughout the whole country that they just want to cash in on the hoax, and get some sweetheart contracts to install AC where they don't really need it.

Most schools already have it.


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25-05-2024 00:13
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
The immediate problem I see with the Dallas data set is the too high threshold for what is considered "cold". The power grid didn't fail due to freezing because the temperature was just a little less than 5 degrees. And it lasted for days.

The Washington Post story today (May 24, 2024) is titled "Schools that never needed AC are now overheating. Fix will cost billions." by Anna Phillips and Veronica Penney.


No manipulation of Dallas data will make it go away.

Make what go away?
Im a BM wrote:
How does global warming cause extreme COLD events?

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
Im a BM wrote:
One example:

Up near the North Pole, some very cold air gets added to the atmospheric mix.

The Arctic does not increase the atmosphere.
Im a BM wrote:
If it is warm enough at the SURFACE, there is driving force of rising air to send that cold air south.

Paradox, and you are ignoring Hadley cells.
Im a BM wrote:
The NEW CHANGE is that it sometimes travels much farther south than it used to.

What change?
Im a BM wrote:
Snow in Saudi Arabia, for example.

Are you referring to the snow about 93 years ago, or the snow in 2016, or the snow in the mountains?
Im a BM wrote:
New records for the COLDEST temperatures ever recorded in those places.

You mean the one about 93 years ago? The 2016 snowfall?
Im a BM wrote:
But those records are outnumbered about 3:1 by the new record HOTTEST temperatures ever recorded in those places.

What places?
Im a BM wrote:
And you don't need an "unambiguous definition" for "climate change" to see that it is happening.

Climate cannot change. Climate has no temperature.
Im a BM wrote:
Or to be allowed to even discuss it.

Discuss what? Your buzzwords?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
25-05-2024 00:17
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
Selective "cherry picking" of data can ensure that an incorrect hypothesis gets the desired result.

Fallacy fallacy. Buzzword fallacy. A hypothesis is not a result. There is no data.
Im a BM wrote:
Is somebody LYING about the situation regarding the need to install AC in schools that did not need it in previous decades?

Most schools already have air conditioning.
Im a BM wrote:
Cherry picking Oklahoma data "won't help you".

Fallacy fallacy.
Im a BM wrote:
I love the "..won't help you" part.

"Citing some random paper won't help you." - Into the Night

That "random paper" was my own, published in the journal Nature, cited in about 800 different peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbooks, and often cited for its relevance to climate change.
Science is not a journal or magazine, paper, or textbook. Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science. Climate cannot change.
[quote]Im a BM wrote:
It will come as no surprise that if you scour enough data sets, you will find at least one where you can cherry pick data out of context and "prove" something that is quite incorrect.

Fallacy fallacy. Argument form randU fallacy.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
25-05-2024 00:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Im a BM wrote:
STOP SPAMMING, DUMBASS!

LIF. Grow up.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan




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