California Wildfires, Trumps Fault?

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

If true, so?

From now on, if you continue to ignore what I type to you in favor of repetitious argumentation and buzzwords, I am going to begin responding to you using ITN's Mantra List...

I have responded by pointing out weather events that qualify as severe, beyond typical weather conditions, within a historical time range, in the place where the severe weather events occured.

... so?

I'm failing to grasp what the big deal is... You are claiming that weather you perceive as "severe" and "beyond typical" is due to something called "climate change". WTF is "climate change"?? How does an unquantifiable thing such as climate "change"?

HarveyH55 wrote:I grew up on the west coast, and California wildfires were in the news, pretty much the same then, as they are now. Not sure what's really changed...

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:I grew up on the west coast, and California wildfires were in the news, pretty much the same then, as they are now. Not sure what's really changed...

Nothing has changed; California has its annual fire season.

What surprisingly has never changed is how the rest of the country keeps hearing about California's fires each year and is aghast, completely shocked to hear about them, like each one is so totally unexpected. Someone asked me just two days ago if I had heard about the wildfire out in California. I so wanted to ask "Did you not hear about ALL the others?"

HarveyH55 wrote:

Doesn't wildfires produce a huge volume of CO2? What's California's carbon-footprint, when they fail to manage their natural resources? Who gets the carbon tax bill, for this planet-killing, carbon blunder?

11,000 lightning strikes? Wimps... Florida gets over 2 million a year, would doubt we get that in a single storm, several times a year. Strange, that we don't see the huge wildfire damage of California.

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

They aren't, as the "average" that you are using to base this off of is likewise insignificant.

Oh no!! That CO2 has nowhere to go once it runs into the Rocky Mountains!! IT'S TRAPPED! TRAPPED I TELL YA!!!

Is THIS the Mother Nature that you are referencing by any chance?

[QUOTE]Climate: proper noun
The heroine of the Global Warming mythology, Climate is the Democratic People's Goddess. Born out of the Scientific Consensus, She oversees the central planning and administration of all weather, ecosystems, and local climates across the globe, as well as all interactions thereof. Climate is responsible for the care and well-being of all life on earth. In other faiths She is called Gaia, Durga, Mother Nature, et. al.

Note: Climate, by her nature, never changes but she is believed to be constantly changing, thus forming the grand mystery of the Global Warming faith. This is a core tenet of Settled Science.

Global Warming Mythology Reference Manual

duncan61 wrote:

You raise interesting points that I would like to share my veiws on.CO2 does not stack up it dissolves in the atmosphere very well.I am taking readings and it is consistant where I am.Wind is created when hot air rizes and draws cold air in and is totaly unpredictable.I have to go more later

James___ wrote:

It would have to do with the ceiling height rising more at the equator. It chases the Sun. With the experiment that you mentioned, the Foucault pendulum and it's swing might show a distortion in the curvature of the Earth.

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

duncan61 wrote:
Spongy are you making the data fit the event.Have a good look at a picture of the planet from space then consider how a tiny increase of a trace element that may possibly be able to reflect light can alter weather patterns.

duncan61 wrote:
Canada has a carbon tax

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

No, it is known that arsonists are running around... It is known that arsonists have started some of these fires... This is not speculation.

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

They aren't, as the "average" that you are using to base this off of is likewise insignificant.

Oh no!! That CO2 has nowhere to go once it runs into the Rocky Mountains!! IT'S TRAPPED! TRAPPED I TELL YA!!!

Is THIS the Mother Nature that you are referencing by any chance?

[QUOTE]Climate: proper noun
The heroine of the Global Warming mythology, Climate is the Democratic People's Goddess. Born out of the Scientific Consensus, She oversees the central planning and administration of all weather, ecosystems, and local climates across the globe, as well as all interactions thereof. Climate is responsible for the care and well-being of all life on earth. In other faiths She is called Gaia, Durga, Mother Nature, et. al.

Note: Climate, by her nature, never changes but she is believed to be constantly changing, thus forming the grand mystery of the Global Warming faith. This is a core tenet of Settled Science.

Global Warming Mythology Reference Manual

No the averages I'm looking at are considerable time.

Dude obviously 3.5 million acres burned in 1 month in CA is way above the average of 600,000 acres per year for the past 30+ years. It's statistically significant. 10 years of drought is also statistically significant.

If you believe Earth is NOT in a closed system, I could see why you might not consider climate change to be alarming. But I don't believe that and thus do consider climate change to be alarming.

If you want to keep ignoring the signs, go ahead.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

No, it is known that arsonists are running around... It is known that arsonists have started some of these fires... This is not speculation.

I must have missed them being arrested. Got any articles to share about their arrests?

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

keepit wrote:
Is there any actual evidence arsonists are starting the fires on the west coast and if so, who are they, and what is their motive?

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

Nope. Arsonists are running around the SOTC and starting fires. Some of them have already been arrested.

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

Define 'average historical measurements'. Measurements of what?

GasGuzzler wrote:

[quote]Spongy Iris wrote:]
Winds usually prevail in moving weather eastward around the world; thus, in North America, a heavy population west of the Rocky mountains could be a risk, because their CO2 emissions being blown eastward would hit a wall at the Rocky mountains, and start piling up.

This is GREAT news for gardeners! I'm thinking a north/south wall built on the east end of a garden and wow, the fruits and veggies will be HUGE!

duncan61 wrote:
In summer on the West Coast we have Easterlies in the mornings as the cold air is drawn to the ocean and it usually dies down around midday then early afternoon the howling South Westerlies kick in as the deserts and the north heat up again and the hot air rises and draws the cold air from the south up the coast.This is not a theory it is what happens.We do get a few days when it is calm but it is not called Blovember for nothing.Boaties trying to go fishing will wait it out in the harbour and as soon as it dies down they will head out and have a fish before the S/W kicks in.I have been in some ordinary weather on the ocean and you do wonder why we do it.The BOM try to predict it but are usually miles out.The chart shows the prediction and what it actually is and they cross a bit but not together very often

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

No, it is known that arsonists are running around... It is known that arsonists have started some of these fires... This is not speculation.

I must have missed them being arrested. Got any articles to share about their arrests?

Playing dumb, are you? Fine. You must be one of those that deny riots are occurring in Portland, OR and Seattle, WA.

In other words, an idiot.

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
In summer on the West Coast we have Easterlies in the mornings as the cold air is drawn to the ocean and it usually dies down around midday then early afternoon the howling South Westerlies kick in as the deserts and the north heat up again and the hot air rises and draws the cold air from the south up the coast.This is not a theory it is what happens.We do get a few days when it is calm but it is not called Blovember for nothing.Boaties trying to go fishing will wait it out in the harbour and as soon as it dies down they will head out and have a fish before the S/W kicks in.I have been in some ordinary weather on the ocean and you do wonder why we do it.The BOM try to predict it but are usually miles out.The chart shows the prediction and what it actually is and they cross a bit but not together very often

Where on west coast?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

Define 'average historical measurements'. Measurements of what?

I have! For CA.

Rainfall per year
Lightning in August
Acres burned per year

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Of course the arsonists running around the SOTC right now doesn't help.

This comment is just as speculative mine are...

No, it is known that arsonists are running around... It is known that arsonists have started some of these fires... This is not speculation.

I must have missed them being arrested. Got any articles to share about their arrests?

Playing dumb, are you? Fine. You must be one of those that deny riots are occurring in Portland, OR and Seattle, WA.

In other words, an idiot.

There's nothing more annoying at a party than some know it all conspiracy theorist who pretends to be intellectually superior than everybody else

duncan61 wrote:
In summer on the West Coast we have Easterlies in the mornings as the cold air is drawn to the ocean and it usually dies down around midday then early afternoon the howling South Westerlies kick in as the deserts and the north heat up again and the hot air rises and draws the cold air from the south up the coast.This is not a theory it is what happens.We do get a few days when it is calm but it is not called Blovember for nothing.Boaties trying to go fishing will wait it out in the harbour and as soon as it dies down they will head out and have a fish before the S/W kicks in.I have been in some ordinary weather on the ocean and you do wonder why we do it.The BOM try to predict it but are usually miles out.The chart shows the prediction and what it actually is and they cross a bit but not together very often

duncan61 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
In summer on the West Coast we have Easterlies in the mornings as the cold air is drawn to the ocean and it usually dies down around midday then early afternoon the howling South Westerlies kick in as the deserts and the north heat up again and the hot air rises and draws the cold air from the south up the coast.This is not a theory it is what happens.We do get a few days when it is calm but it is not called Blovember for nothing.Boaties trying to go fishing will wait it out in the harbour and as soon as it dies down they will head out and have a fish before the S/W kicks in.I have been in some ordinary weather on the ocean and you do wonder why we do it.The BOM try to predict it but are usually miles out.The chart shows the prediction and what it actually is and they cross a bit but not together very often

Where on west coast?

Perth.Western Australia

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

Define 'average historical measurements'. Measurements of what?

I have! For CA.

Rainfall per year
Lightning in August
Acres burned per year

The SOTC is not the world, dumbass. False equivalence fallacy.
How does any of this change what a desert climate is? How does it change what a marine climate is? How is climate 'changing'?

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
In summer on the West Coast we have Easterlies in the mornings as the cold air is drawn to the ocean and it usually dies down around midday then early afternoon the howling South Westerlies kick in as the deserts and the north heat up again and the hot air rises and draws the cold air from the south up the coast.This is not a theory it is what happens.We do get a few days when it is calm but it is not called Blovember for nothing.Boaties trying to go fishing will wait it out in the harbour and as soon as it dies down they will head out and have a fish before the S/W kicks in.I have been in some ordinary weather on the ocean and you do wonder why we do it.The BOM try to predict it but are usually miles out.The chart shows the prediction and what it actually is and they cross a bit but not together very often

Where on west coast?

Perth.Western Australia

In the Indian Ocean , around the latitude of Perth, winds prevail easterly.

In the Indian ocean, around the latitude of Darwin, winds prevail westerly.

In the ocean, I don't think there is much difference in temperature or air pressure moving west or east. So why does wind prevail more in the west or east direction than in the north or south direction?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

Define 'average historical measurements'. Measurements of what?

I have! For CA.

Rainfall per year
Lightning in August
Acres burned per year

The SOTC is not the world, dumbass. False equivalence fallacy.
How does any of this change what a desert climate is? How does it change what a marine climate is? How is climate 'changing'?

As I already stated, CA in particular, seems to be a high risk zone.

The risk being a high pile up of CO2 emissions at the rocky mountains puts pressure on the ceiling of our enclosed system called Earth.

A statistically significant increase in droughts and fires in recent years, seems to be another indication I notice, which makes me think this risk is real.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote: ... continued fear mongering about "climate change" while refusing to define it...

Summarily dismissed.

No Spongy Iris did not write what you have quoted.

I have defined it. Measurements of weather events that fall outside of average historical measurements. And I have cited 3 examples.

Like I said, if you want to ignore the signs, go ahead. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to them or maybe not.

Define 'average historical measurements'. Measurements of what?

I have! For CA.

Rainfall per year
Lightning in August
Acres burned per year

The SOTC is not the world, dumbass. False equivalence fallacy.
How does any of this change what a desert climate is? How does it change what a marine climate is? How is climate 'changing'?

As I already stated, CA in particular, seems to be a high risk zone.

The risk being a high pile up of CO2 emissions at the rocky mountains puts pressure on the ceiling of our enclosed system called Earth.

A statistically significant increase in droughts and fires in recent years, seems to be another indication I notice, which makes me think this risk is real.