29-05-2020 17:55 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:tmiddles wrote:id you consider yourself to be "citing a source" when you said:gfm7175 wrote:... you can look at Planck's Law for yourself,... ? You're still not understanding. I don't care about any "published reference material". I only care about the mathematical formalization of the theory ("Planck's Law"), as that is the authoritative reference. You have already been provided with a link to one of many locations where you can find Planck's Law. tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:No that is not the work of Max Planck but a post on his personal page by IBdaMann, the writer of that text. Planck's Law is located on that page. It doesn't matter who types it up; it is still Planck's Law. Let's try out another one... E=MC^2... Are you going to deny this formalization simply because I, gfm7175, typed it? Are you going to deny it if it could be found on IBD's website? It doesn't matter whether I type it here, or IBD types it here (or puts it on his website). The authoritative reference in this instance IS, quite literally, E=MC^2. This is how one can use (in extension) "the laws of physics" and "science" as a source. The "laws of physics" are a specific collection, of which the formalized theory E=MC^2 is a part of, and "science" as a whole is a specific collection (of theories that are falsifiable and continue to survive null hypothesis testing), of which "the laws of physics" are a part of. tmiddles wrote: IBD's website doesn't need to link to the various writings of Max Planck. Planck's Law itself IS the authoritative reference, no matter where it happens to be located. Edited on 29-05-2020 18:06 |
29-05-2020 18:00 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14378) |
gfm7175 wrote: FINALLY you have me perched upon something that isn't burning my poor little footsies off. Nope. I had to do that to give you confidence in your superpower to "take the heat." You were not aware that I was over 450 deg F in that picture. You had to be made to realize that nobody can flame you and have any effect you don't want. You have graduated. . Attached image: Edited on 29-05-2020 18:01 |
29-05-2020 18:14 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
IBdaMann wrote:gfm7175 wrote: FINALLY you have me perched upon something that isn't burning my poor little footsies off. Okay, now THAT was high quality content right there! I rate your post two wings WAY up. |
31-05-2020 08:01 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
IBdaMann wrote:gfm7175 wrote: FINALLY you have me perched upon something that isn't burning my poor little footsies off. So you're saying that a Badger can take the heat? Isn't that an oxymoron? badger verb badgered; badgering; badgers Definition of badger (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb : to harass or annoy persistently |
01-06-2020 19:20 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
James___ wrote:IBdaMann wrote:gfm7175 wrote: FINALLY you have me perched upon something that isn't burning my poor little footsies off. No. And so far, you are using "Badger" as a proper noun (which would be referring to one of numerous nicknames for a resident of Wisconsin) even though I think you meant to use "badger" as a noun (which would be referring to the animal)? It's unclear to me whether your intention was to make use of the proper noun "Badger" or the noun "badger". James___ wrote: Now, you are referring to a definition of "badger", but for its usage as a verb. A verb is not a noun (proper or otherwise). Learn Logic. Learn English. My avatar is a catbird, not a badger. It IS, however, a Badger. Edited on 01-06-2020 19:56 |
03-06-2020 13:53 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:The moment Max Planck's theory became science,And what was that theory and why are you calling it "Max Planck's theory"? You are invoking the name of Mr. Planck yet you choose not to provide a citation. Also are you, IBD, the one who decides what "science" is? Again YOU are the one playing this game of pretending to speak for others at the moment so clarify yourself. IBdaMann wrote:It's the same no matter the source. gfm7175 wrote:I don't care about any "published reference material". I only care about the mathematical formalization of the theorySo wikipedia is a fine source for it then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_law |
03-06-2020 17:06 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:The moment Max Planck's theory became science,And what was that theory RQAA. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. tmiddles wrote: No need for one. The theory stands on its own. The theory itself is the authoritative source. This has already been explained to you. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. tmiddles wrote: Inversion Fallacy. YOU are the one who is regularly doing this. tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:It's the same no matter the source.gfm7175 wrote:I don't care about any "published reference material". I only care about the mathematical formalization of the theorySo wikipedia is a fine source for it then? IF the model is correctly expressed on Wikipedia, then yes (but only for the model itself). |
03-06-2020 21:08 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:The moment Max Planck's theory became science,And what was that theory and why are you calling it "Max Planck's theory"? RQAA. tmiddles wrote: None needed. RQAA. tmiddles wrote: He isn't. RQAA. tmiddles wrote: He isn't. Contextomy fallacy. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
03-06-2020 23:35 | |
IBdaMann★★★★★ (14378) |
tmiddles wrote: ... and why are you calling it "Max Planck's theory"? This is a stupid question ... but I'll play along. * It's needs a name/label to which it can be forwith referred. * I suggested "COVID-19" but that was already taken by a virus of all things. * The people who own science opted instead to apply a label that extends credit to the person responsible for the law's creation, i.e. Max Planck * At the last moment I tried to reason with them. "Call it 'Stefan-Boltzmann'" I yelled, but they decided to apply *that* name to an entirely different model. tmiddles wrote: Also are you, IBD, the one who decides what "science" is? Much of this discussion would be so much easier if you were to imagine that I am. But I'm not. That's gfm7175's responsibility. This week he's declaring science to be all falsifiable models that predict nature. If you have any problems with his definition you need to take it up with him. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
04-06-2020 10:18 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:...they decided to apply *that* name to an entirely different model.Yeah? How did you find out? Who are "they"? How did you learn Planck's Law? Man on the street again? gfm7175 wrote:How do you know if they got it correctly expressed?tmiddles wrote:So wikipedia is a fine source for it then? "Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper ITN/IBD Fraud exposed: The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN Edited on 04-06-2020 10:20 |
04-06-2020 17:18 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:...they decided to apply *that* name to an entirely different model.Yeah? How did you find out? Who are "they"? How did you learn Planck's Law? Man on the street again?gfm7175 wrote:How do you know if they got it correctly expressed?tmiddles wrote:So wikipedia is a fine source for it then? So you've forgotten how to learn again?? That's too bad, because you were actually making some progress in the "Venus is hotter than Mercury" thread... If you wish to pull Planck's Law (the model itself, formalized via mathematics) from Wikipedia, then go right on ahead. It's the same law no matter where it happens to be located. I just find IBD's website's expression of that law to be much easier to digest. Edited on 04-06-2020 17:34 |
04-06-2020 21:11 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:...they decided to apply *that* name to an entirely different model.Yeah? How did you find out? Who are "they"? How did you learn Planck's Law? Man on the street again? RQAA. tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:How do you know if they got it correctly expressed?tmiddles wrote:So wikipedia is a fine source for it then? RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 04-06-2020 21:12 |
04-06-2020 22:52 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
gfm7175 wrote:tmiddles wrote:...It's the same law no matter where it happens to be located....gfm7175 wrote:...IF the model is correctly expressed....How do you know if they got it correctly expressed? So you're backing away the notion that you should check to see that a law has been presented accurately? Just to recap what we all know is going on here: You GFM, ITN, IBD and your brood are all intent on NEVER admitting that it's sensible to employ a textbook or reference of any kind. Why? Because an elementary text on thermodynamics or science in general will instantly contradict much of what you say. Ever heard "Trust, but verify"? You don't think it's a good policy? How would one go about the "verify" bit? |
04-06-2020 23:33 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:tmiddles wrote:...It's the same law no matter where it happens to be located....gfm7175 wrote:...IF the model is correctly expressed....How do you know if they got it correctly expressed? Nope. tmiddles wrote: You can't speak for others. You can only speak for yourself. tmiddles wrote: What "brood"? ITN's avatar is not of himself. He, rather, is the "killer" of his avatar. He kills parrots (such as yourself) for fun, you see. IBD's avatar is not of a bird. My avatar IS a bird, and my catbird avatar IS a representation of myself (and my worldview). tmiddles wrote: I literally JUST told you that you can indeed pull out Planck's Law from whatever textbook or reference that you wish to pull it out from. I don't care where you get it from, so long as what you are referring to is indeed Planck's Law. tmiddles wrote: Science is not a textbook, dude. It is the theories themselves. tmiddles wrote: I'm surprised I've lasted THIS long...... RQAA. Ahhhhhhhh, MUCH better... |
05-06-2020 03:17 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:tmiddles wrote:...It's the same law no matter where it happens to be located....gfm7175 wrote:...IF the model is correctly expressed....How do you know if they got it correctly expressed? So you think that E != hf?? tmiddles wrote: You don't get to quote every textbook or any elementary textbook as authoritative of Planck's law. tmiddles wrote: Simple. Find a case where E != hf that is demonstrable as a repeatable test. If you can do that, the law is falsified. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 05-06-2020 03:18 |
05-06-2020 14:25 | |
tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
gfm7175 wrote:So how do you check that Planck's Radiation Law is presented correctly? YOU, not me (I will use a text book yes).tmiddles wrote:...backing away the notion that you should check to see that a law has been presented accurately?Nope. Into the Night wrote:Just going to duck the question again? How would you check ITN? If you looked at a formula and thought, hey, I think they made an error transcribing that. What would you do? Into the Night wrote:...any elementary textbook as authoritative of Planck's law.OK so what then? I'm asking what you actually do, not what I could do. |
05-06-2020 18:06 | |
gfm7175★★★★★ (3314) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:So how do you check that Planck's Radiation Law is presented correctly? YOU, not me (I will use a text book yes).tmiddles wrote:...backing away the notion that you should check to see that a law has been presented accurately?Nope.Into the Night wrote:Just going to duck the question again? How would you check ITN? If you looked at a formula and thought, hey, I think they made an error transcribing that. What would you do? RQAA. |
05-06-2020 19:21 | |
Into the Night★★★★★ (21559) |
tmiddles wrote:gfm7175 wrote:So how do you check that Planck's Radiation Law is presented correctly? YOU, not me (I will use a text book yes).tmiddles wrote:...backing away the notion that you should check to see that a law has been presented accurately?Nope. RQAA. tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:Just going to duck the question again? How would you check ITN? RQAA. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:...any elementary textbook as authoritative of Planck's law.OK so what then? RQAA. tmiddles wrote: RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
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