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Biogeosocialists...08-04-2022 19:48
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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We don't need no nanny-state...

Why is it that we are all adults, but some would try to take the role of a 'responsible' adult, treating the general population as ignorant children? We all only have a few decades of life, and should be free to live by our own choices. Think and believe as we please. We didn't build our great societies, living in fear of the unknown, or unknowable. I could care what Dr. Doom, and his cult followers believe, or what flavor Kool-Aid works best with Warfarin. That's their choice, their lives to squander as they please.
10-04-2022 17:36
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Why is it that we are all adults...

I don't know Harvey, but with all do respect, that's very metaphysical.

I lived on the streets hustling for two years and I met so many "adults" who were really "children" and visa-verse. Age is not a great indicator or intelligence or compassion.
10-04-2022 19:54
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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True enough, that age isn't a measure of maturity. But, I am a mature, responsible adult, and have been for several decades. I've made it through the pandemic, virus, and vaccine-free, so far. Pretty sure I'll manage just fine. I didn't need to be told to stay home, wear a mask, or anything else. Fortunately, my job was classified as an essential service, and much of the mandated crap didn't apply. My employers just made everything available, for those who wanted/needed. Use was optional. Some did, most didn't. We had a few cases here and there, but not a massive, business closing outbreak. Not bad, for over a thousand employees. We did have 12 cases in one week. But mostly it was 1-4 cases every few weeks. Most of my mask wearing, was grocery shopping, government offices, Home Depot... Oh, on neighbor insisted. Biden's OSHA mandate had me a little concerned, but didn't really think he'd pull it off.

The plan is for every vehicle on the road, be electric by 2030 (unless the changed it, again). I drive used cars, what I can afford. Been shopping for a newer one, but used car prices are insane. Hoping to find a private seller, a little more reasonable. Electric cars are a whole lot more expensive. The 'used' electrics, are also going to be obsolete, and basically useless, since it relatively a new product, and the industry is still working on standards. Just a new battery, will cost more, than any vehicle I've bought in the past.
11-04-2022 17:08
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:
The plan is for every vehicle on the road, be electric by 2030 (unless the changed it, again).

I'm skeptical of the whole electric thing. There isn't enough renewable generated electricity to provide what's needed for an e-car switch over, so that means a whole lot more electricity generated by fossil fuels or nuclear.

I think the carbon footprint from such a massive change from gas to e-cars would, in and of itself, be concerning (for those of us concerned of such things).
11-04-2022 18:09
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GretaGroupie wrote:I think the carbon footprint from such a massive change from gas to e-cars would, in and of itself, be concerning (for those of us concerned of such things).

What is a "carbon footprint"? ... and you make it sound like a bad thing. Is there any particular reason?



Do you like plants, or do you hate them, or do you have no sentiments one way or the other?
11-04-2022 18:20
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Do you like plants, or do you hate them, or do you have no sentiments one way or the other?

I like trees, especially ones with feet!

Would you date a tree if it had feet?

11-04-2022 19:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Why is it that we are all adults...

I don't know Harvey, but with all do respect, that's very metaphysical.

I lived on the streets hustling for two years and I met so many "adults" who were really "children" and visa-verse. Age is not a great indicator or intelligence or compassion.


Heh. That's certainly true!


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11-04-2022 19:22
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
The plan is for every vehicle on the road, be electric by 2030 (unless the changed it, again).

I'm skeptical of the whole electric thing. There isn't enough renewable generated electricity to provide what's needed for an e-car switch over, so that means a whole lot more electricity generated by fossil fuels or nuclear.

I think the carbon footprint from such a massive change from gas to e-cars would, in and of itself, be concerning (for those of us concerned of such things).


There is really no such thing as a fossil fuel. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.

Coal is made of carbon, a chemical element. It is not a fossil. When burned, it produces carbon dioxide. It may have impurities in it that produce other harmful gases when burned, but these are easily filtered out these days. It is not known if coal is renewable, but there certainly is plenty of it.

Oil is a hydrocarbon. It is not a fossil. It is liquid at room temperature and pressure. It is a renewable fuel. We can synthesize it ourselves from hydrogen and carbon dioxide using an iron catalyst, high temperature and high pressure, but these conditions exist naturally underground anyway. It's cheaper to drill for it. The Earth itself is a giant Fischer-Tropsche reactor.

Methane (natural gas) is a renewable fuel. It is also a hydrocarbon, and often found with oil. It can also be found in compost piles, digester ponds, swamps, sewer systems, tundra (a frozen swamp), and many other places. It is not a fossil.

These three fuels are often called a 'fossil' fuel because it was tought they came from dinosaurs. The Sinclair oil company logo is a picture of a brontosaurus. This teaching is wrong.

EV's do require charging. That is their biggest disadvantage. It takes hours to charge them. The cannot be changed. The battery can only take so much charge rate. The power to charge them has to come from somewhere (such as a coal or natural gas power plant).

It's a common joke to refer to the EV as a coal fired car.

The whole EV thing is being driven by a paranoid fear of CO2, a naturally occurring gas that is absolutely essential for life on Earth. It has NO capability to warm the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

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12-04-2022 01:17
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GretaGroupie wrote:Would you date a tree if it had feet?

It depends on how many feet. Have you ever tried to kiss a forty-foot tree? ... but a two-foot tree, now that I could take back to my place.
12-04-2022 15:42
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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Into the Night wrote:
These three fuels are often called a 'fossil' fuel because it was tought they came from dinosaurs. The Sinclair oil company logo is a picture of a brontosaurus. This teaching is wrong.

Ok, so I know methane are farts, but where do the other one's come from.

The prof said they were from "orgamic" matter (?) that decayed into oily goop over millions of years ago.
12-04-2022 15:45
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
... but a two-foot tree, now that I could take back to my place.

Well, I'm 5-4, so I'm way too big for you


Do you really like them that little
12-04-2022 18:03
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:Do you really like them that little

I just don't like trees with more than ten feet.
12-04-2022 22:02
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
These three fuels are often called a 'fossil' fuel because it was tought they came from dinosaurs. The Sinclair oil company logo is a picture of a brontosaurus. This teaching is wrong.

Ok, so I know methane are farts, but where do the other one's come from.

The prof said they were from "orgamic" matter (?) that decayed into oily goop over millions of years ago.

No, they aren't.

During WW2, the Allies were putting the screws to the German economy in every way they could to try to shut down the German war machine. Among the things Germany needed was fuel for their tanks and aircraft. They imported that oil.

As oil became scarce in Germany, their chemists (the best in the world at the time) had a go at making oil synthetically. They succeeded. It's called the Fischer-Tropsche process. What you do is take carbon dioxide (or carbon monoxide) and combine it with hydrogen using high temperatures and pressure. An iron screen is used to pass the gases through and acts as a catalyst.

The result is hydrocarbons of varying lengths. In other words, light sweet crude oil.

These same conditions exist naturally underground. High temperatures, high pressure, and the presence of carbon dioxide, hydrogen, and iron. In other words, the Earth itself is a giant Fischer-Tropsche reactor.

Making oil synthetically takes more energy than you get back by burning the oil. It therefore is not practical in ordinary circumstances. It did help keep the German war machine running though.

It's cheaper to simply drill for it. Pretty no matter where you make a hole, if it's deep enough, you WILL find oil. Unfortunately, wells are priced per foot of depth. It ain't cheap to go very deep.

Oil comes nearest the surface at edges of tectonic plates, especially where spreading action is taking place. Examples are the North Seas (north of the British Isles), the North Slopes of Alaska (and indeed out under the polar sea), the Mideast, off the shores of the SDTC, especially down by Baja, the Gulf sea (south of Texas) and on up into Texas. Oil also comes near the surface where shales form, such as the midwest of the United States on up into Canada, Pennsylvania, and a few other similar places.

Both oil and natural gas are hydrocarbons, so you find both the same places. The only difference between them is the length of the hydrocarbon.

A hydrocarbon is a chain of carbon atoms strung together surrounded by hydrogen atoms. It is a compound. Depending on the length of the hydrocarbon, you get different things:

1 C long is methane, or natural gas.
2 C long is ethane.
3 C long is propane (some gas stations sell it from a bit white tank).
4 C long is butane (lighter fluid).
...
7 C long is septane (most gasoline).
8 C long is octane (some gasoline). This is the 'octane' you see on gas pumps, or it's equivalent. It burns a bit less well than septane.
...
As you get up to really long chains, you get into asphalt. This sticky thick goo is mixed with gravel and sand and you get the stuff you make roads out of.

Crude oil contains a mix of different length hydrocarbons.

A refinery boils crude oil and separates it by size (length), since each size condenses out as a different temperature. That big tower you see at such places is the boiler/condenser assembly. Most of the rest of the refinery is plumbing and tanks to store everything in.

It is possible to use chemistry to 'stitch together' shorter chains into longer ones.
It is also possible to use chemistry to cut long chains into shorter ones.

In this way a refinery can optimize yield for a desired product.

So you can optimize for gasoline, at the cost of say...diesel oil.


The Parrot Killer

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14-04-2022 19:37
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IBdaMann wrote:
I just don't like trees with more than ten feet.

Oh, I know a joke like that.

Why does an elephant have 4 feet?



Cause six inches isn't enough?

Ha, ha (but naughty).
14-04-2022 19:39
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Into the Night wrote:
These same conditions exist naturally underground.

So the germans have gone underground? Scary.

Just kidding. I'm gonna reread your post. There's a lot there but it's interesting.
14-04-2022 22:29
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
These same conditions exist naturally underground.

So the germans have gone underground? Scary.

Just kidding. I'm gonna reread your post. There's a lot there but it's interesting.

It might take a few readings for people new to this material. If you have any questions about it, just ask.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
15-04-2022 03:54
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
These same conditions exist naturally underground.

So the germans have gone underground? Scary.

Just kidding. I'm gonna reread your post. There's a lot there but it's interesting.


Also, take a quick glance HERE and HERE
15-04-2022 17:49
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Also, take a quick glance HERE and HERE

My head is going to pop! I just finished reading trafn's new book for a second time and still don't get it so I am waiting to see what the prof thinks about it. Until then I need to give my brain a rest.

Also I really don't want to click on too many external links so if you can cut and past the important stuff here I will read it. Sometimes I use my phone and sometimes I use my landladies computer (she's nice). I don't want to take a chance at infecting them. I'm a virus fobe.


Edited on 15-04-2022 17:51
15-04-2022 17:54
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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Into the Night wrote:
As oil became scarce in Germany, their chemists (the best in the world at the time) had a go at making oil synthetically.


Okay so the germans were smart but mean.

Why couldn't they make oil that didn't have emissions?
15-04-2022 18:33
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:Why couldn't they make oil that didn't have emissions?

... because there is nothing wrong with emissions. Why do you believe there is some sort of problem?
15-04-2022 18:53
GretaGroupieProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
... because there is nothing wrong with emissions. Why do you believe there is some sort of problem?

Sometimes my father would take me to work. If I stood behind a car while the engine was running the smoke would make me feel sick.
15-04-2022 19:05
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Shortly before meeting President Reagan for the first time, sqeal over was involved in extensive emissions testing research. He was attempting to actually blow up a bus with carbon dioxide. Unfortunately he burned his lips on the exaust pipe.
15-04-2022 20:13
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
... because there is nothing wrong with emissions. Why do you believe there is some sort of problem?

Sometimes my father would take me to work. If I stood behind a car while the engine was running the smoke would make me feel sick.

If you hyperventilate, you will feel nauseous and dizzy.

Is there also a problem with oxygen?

Remember, you didn't specify anything toxic ... you simply went generic and demonized "emissions". As such, you get to explain why all "emissions" are bad. If you are not going to be specific then you are hiding behind a fallacy ... and you are wrong.

Do you have a problem with plants being fed? Do you have a problem with plants receiving sufficient CO2? Are you aware that CO2 is a life-essential compound and that all life on the surface of the earth and in the air would perish if all CO2 were removed? Are you aware that in greenhouses, plants are pampered with huge amounts of additional CO2 so that they may thrive? Are you aware that doubling the amount of atmospheric CO2 would be a great start for all plantlife on the planet?

... but you say that increasing atmospheric levels of CO2 is somehow a bad thing and that I should fear and panic and feel as though the earth is going down on a sinking ship?

Please, explain. I'm all ears.

Oh, and after that, please explain why any rational adult should believe that atmospheric levels of CO2 are actually increasing?

The floor is yours. I'm all ears.
15-04-2022 21:13
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
As oil became scarce in Germany, their chemists (the best in the world at the time) had a go at making oil synthetically.


Okay so the germans were smart but mean.

Why couldn't they make oil that didn't have emissions?


Oil doesn't have emissions.

When you burn oil (assuming a clean burn), the result is water and carbon dioxide...both naturally occurring materials.

I assume you like water.

Carbon dioxide is necessary for life on Earth. Plants could not survive without it. It would mean you would have no salads, no beef, no chicken, no mac&cheese, no anything to serve people.

Then again, you would have no people. No truckers, no one.

Carbon dioxide has no capability to warm the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
15-04-2022 21:15
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GretaGroupie wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
... because there is nothing wrong with emissions. Why do you believe there is some sort of problem?

Sometimes my father would take me to work. If I stood behind a car while the engine was running the smoke would make me feel sick.


The car may have been putting out soot then. It shouldn't smoke.

Another possibility is that you though it was bad for you, and you simply were suffering a panic. Hyperventilating is part of this usually, and that can actually make you feel dizzy or nauseous.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 15-04-2022 21:18
15-04-2022 21:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Shortly before meeting President Reagan for the first time, sqeal over was involved in extensive emissions testing research. He was attempting to actually blow up a bus with carbon dioxide. Unfortunately he burned his lips on the exaust pipe.


THAT's an old one!


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
15-04-2022 23:59
duncan61
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
As oil became scarce in Germany, their chemists (the best in the world at the time) had a go at making oil synthetically.


Okay so the germans were smart but mean.

Why couldn't they make oil that didn't have emissions?


LPG has few emissions and hydrogen makes water vapour. I have just received the update from standards Australia on the Hydrogen filling stations that are being installed.It is very similar to the LPG filling stations.Ford made a dedicated LPG car but as usual the market controls demand.I am about to get a company car and have requested a Hybrid.EV cars are horses do do but Hybrids rock


duncan61
16-04-2022 01:06
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
As oil became scarce in Germany, their chemists (the best in the world at the time) had a go at making oil synthetically.


Okay so the germans were smart but mean.

Why couldn't they make oil that didn't have emissions?


LPG has few emissions and hydrogen makes water vapour. I have just received the update from standards Australia on the Hydrogen filling stations that are being installed.It is very similar to the LPG filling stations.Ford made a dedicated LPG car but as usual the market controls demand.I am about to get a company car and have requested a Hybrid.EV cars are horses do do but Hybrids rock

A hydrogen car is not a hybrid. It is a hydrogen powered car. The battery is only used to ballast the fuel cell.

Hydrogen cars have problems. The high pressures involved in filling one these results in a pressure drop in the filler nozzle so severe it will literally freeze to the car even on hot summer days. You have to wait for this ice to melt before disconnecting the fuel hose from the car.

Further, the production of hydrogen requires energy.

Both hydrogen and propane have a low BTU for given volume or for given weight. You don't get much energy out of it.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
16-04-2022 04:18
duncan61
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I disagree with you ITN.The LPG we have here is 85% propane and 15% butane.The butane controls the burn and it is abundant and makes the fuel cheaper.The octane rating of this fuel is 120 and has more power than petrol.It has been retrofitted to an engine that was designed for petrol.LPG requires 13-1 compression and 14-1 fuel air to perform at its optimum.the ignition timing needs to be at 26 degrees advanced at operating speed to use up the fuel and not have it go down the exhaust.These conditions are hard to meet on a standard car so with older instals we tune the engine to the best we can with a 4 gas analyser.Older cars will still run on petrol but not too well.When I was last in the industry common rail injection was being looked at where the liquid LPG is piped direct in to the fuel rail and the management system would recognise and adjust all the timings and injection amount.I believe it was successful but have never done it myself.The last car I personally did was my own 1996 Jeep Cherokee and I fitted an emulator to fool the system that it was still on petrol and used a diffuser ring in the airflow to draw the gas and a standard convertor with power valve.
pros
.I could do 800 Kms without stopping using up 60l petrol and 48L autogas
cons
.The gas cylinder was behind the back seat and was in the way if the back was down to make more space
.As soon as enough people converted their cars the Communist Government ceased the $3000 grants and put the price of LPG from 28c L to 72c L.Its now around $1.20
I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee and it is only on petrol but it is getting a turbo soon
I have been in many hybrids and they are very impressive.Very quick and hard to tell if the engine is running,unlimited travelling if you have petrol in it.My son has hired them before for a week and has had to put less than $10 to fill them for return
Our company is looking at me taking a maintenance position part time to write reports for an insurance company charging $200/Hr so I have suggested having proper uniforms and a small hybrid car with company logos on.Turning up in a banger jeep and high vis is not really appropriate.Great for down the beach.I am a Chrysler fan as my Dad gave me a 1968 VE valiant wagon when I turned 17 and got my DL.I fitted a cessna airplane engine just like fat albert.Love Bill Cosby.Greta he is your sort of guy.I do not hate all Americans just most of them.You seem very adverse to change ITN.Electric Hydrogen and LPG cars are good in cities.Diesel trucks not so much.Just like the states long distance haulage is done by huge trucks.No gas or petrol would be suitable for this work.Domestic solarpower works well in Perth all year round as today is yet another sunny day and its mid Autumn
16-04-2022 14:26
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GasGuzzler wrote:Unfortunately he burned his lips on the exaust pipe.

Ha, ha... good on GG.

When I was p-tuting I would blow on my clients exhaust pipes and they would explode too. I am not sure if that caused global warming but it did warm up the room.

Did sealover really meet the president?
16-04-2022 14:44
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IBdaMann wrote:If you are not going to be specific then you are hiding behind a fallacy ...

Hmmm.... the prof told me that the washington momument is a fallacy symbol. Is he wrong too?
16-04-2022 14:45
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Into the Night wrote:
Then again, you would have no people. No truckers, no one.

I need truckers. They're my buds like you!
16-04-2022 14:48
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Into the Night wrote:
Another possibility is that you though it was bad for you, and you simply were suffering a panic.

I spent two years hanging out in bedrooms with mega pervs and then I lived with one who was nice so I'm not into panic.

It was that white stuff that comes out the back of the car and it smelled nasty.
16-04-2022 14:50
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duncan61 wrote:
LPG has few emissions...

I have to look up LPG and get back to you. Light propane gas I rhink?
16-04-2022 14:52
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duncan61 wrote:Greta he is your sort of guy.

Who?
17-04-2022 12:26
duncan61
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Bill Cosby
17-04-2022 18:24
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duncan61 wrote:
Bill Cosby

I never met him but most of my p-tute clients were very rich and we would meet them at very fancy hotels or apartments in town. I never went alone cause one of my house moms always went with me to make sure they were not crazy or did anything to hurt me. One of them was super rich and would get a hotel room near the airport when he was flying by and all he wanted to do was paint me in funny poses on the bed naked. I asked him if he put the paintings in his house but he said no he sold them which was okay cause he you could never see my face. One time this guy wanted to have me and my house mom in the bedroom with him at the same time but we just walked out. We were not in to wierd stuff like that.

18-04-2022 01:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I disagree with you ITN.

Like usual.
duncan61 wrote:
The LPG we have here is 85% propane and 15% butane.

So?
duncan61 wrote:
The butane controls the burn and it is abundant and makes the fuel cheaper.The octane rating of this fuel is 120 and has more power than petrol.

Not by weight or by volume.
duncan61 wrote:
It has been retrofitted to an engine that was designed for petrol.

For a FADEC engine, this will require new software in the computer.
duncan61 wrote:
LPG requires 13-1 compression and 14-1 fuel air to perform at its optimum.the ignition timing needs to be at 26 degrees advanced at operating speed to use up the fuel and not have it go down the exhaust.

Which is why you need new software in the computer. Unfortunately the computer and the software it does have is proprietary.
duncan61 wrote:
These conditions are hard to meet on a standard car

There is no such thing as a 'standard car'.
duncan61 wrote:
so with older instals we tune the engine to the best we can with a 4 gas analyser.

So you hacked it, and didn't use a FADEC car.
duncan61 wrote:
Older cars will still run on petrol but not too well.

Because you messed up their timing and tuning.
duncan61 wrote:
When I was last in the industry common rail injection was being looked at where the liquid LPG is piped direct in to the fuel rail and the management system would recognise and adjust all the timings and injection amount.

It can't. It has to be told what fuel is in the fuel rail.
duncan61 wrote:
I believe it was successful but have never done it myself.The last car I personally did was my own 1996 Jeep Cherokee and I fitted an emulator to fool the system that it was still on petrol and used a diffuser ring in the airflow to draw the gas and a standard convertor with power valve.

So it wastes fuel.
duncan61 wrote:
pros
.I could do 800 Kms without stopping using up 60l petrol and 48L autogas
cons
.The gas cylinder was behind the back seat and was in the way if the back was down to make more space

Range is dependent on the size of the tank. You are using a larger tank.
duncan61 wrote:
.As soon as enough people converted their cars the Communist Government ceased the $3000 grants and put the price of LPG from 28c L to 72c L.Its now around $1.20
I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee and it is only on petrol but it is getting a turbo soon
I have been in many hybrids and they are very impressive.Very quick and hard to tell if the engine is running,unlimited travelling if you have petrol in it.

These get about the same mileage as a lousy car of the same size in cross country use.
duncan61 wrote:
My son has hired them before for a week and has had to put less than $10 to fill them for return

Must not drive it much.
duncan61 wrote:
...deleted anecdote...You seem very adverse to change ITN.

Not at all. I am adverse to fascism and communism. I like the FADEC design. It has no tuning or timing to do (other than changing the spark plugs once in a while and the timing chain once in a great long while). EGR systems removed the smog problem, and oil is a renewable source of energy.
duncan61 wrote:
Electric Hydrogen

Hydrogen is not electricity.
duncan61 wrote:
and LPG cars are good in cities.

Nope. Cities need continuous supplies from outside.
duncan61 wrote:
Diesel trucks not so much.

Without those trucks, you have no city.
duncan61 wrote:
Just like the states long distance haulage is done by huge trucks.

Cars, trucks, semis, rail, aircraft, and ships.
All use oil products as fuel.
duncan61 wrote:
No gas or petrol would be suitable for this work.

It is quite suitable.
duncan61 wrote:
Domestic solarpower works well in Perth all year round as today is yet another sunny day and its mid Autumn

It is the most expensive method of generating electricity and only works during the day.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

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nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 18-04-2022 01:38
18-04-2022 01:39
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GretaGroupie wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:Unfortunately he burned his lips on the exaust pipe.

Ha, ha... good on GG.

When I was p-tuting I would blow on my clients exhaust pipes and they would explode too. I am not sure if that caused global warming but it did warm up the room.

Did sealover really meet the president?


Not likely. He denies science. He like to make up stories about himself.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
18-04-2022 01:40
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GretaGroupie wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Then again, you would have no people. No truckers, no one.

I need truckers. They're my buds like you!


Mine too. People underestimate just how important trucks are.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
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