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Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
So are you saying the atmosphere is still being heated a tad bit

even though the sun is down and the sky in nearly dark? Did I understand that right? And if so, why does daytime heating not begin (1-2 F in 10-15 min) until after the sun is up? Of course I'm talking about those clear calm mornings with no wind. I have even seen "flash frost" on those types of mornings in the late fall as the sun was 1/2 way clear of the horizon and the temps are hovering right at that 32-34 mark.

Sure, I'd love to pay my gambling losses. We can work together and eliminate some of that harmful methane by consuming some beef! Anytime.

Last night it stayed the same temperature from two hours before sunset until 3 am. But in nightmare's world it cools 20 degrees in seconds.

You're near the ocean.You get almost continuous air moving in from the ocean.

And yes, it CAN cool 20 degrees F in a relatively short space of time. The fastest I've seen was about 5 minutes, due to the arrival of a hail storm and a violent cold front right behind it.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I don't consider it putting my "faith in NASA and NOAA," but I do have confidence that they aren't trying to mislead people with erroneous data. And at the same time, I have tremendous confidence also in denier websites doing just that.

Paradox? Hate that word faith don't you?
So far your evidence for global warming is NOAA, NASA, and a couple of Hurricanes. Can you do any better?

GasGuzzler wrote:
Seriously, when you find a great article that shows warming, don't you find it odd that it's always something or somewhere that average Joe can't verify? It's something from space, or the Arctic circle, or northern Siberia, or 10,000 ft down in the ocean, or a heat wave in Zimbabwe. Why should't we be able to see this deadly warming right is our own US of A? I've seen reports of 5 million dead per year due to global warming. You know anyone?

By the way, that hurricane data I was talking about was not a report. It is raw model forecast data. The GFS is a bit more ominous, sending Erma up the Eastern Florida coast but never land falling her till Carolina. Below is the NAM, another trusted medium range model, with a due north path and giving Florida a breezy day without as much a a shingle ripped off. Erma will likely be a bad day for some, but I'm hearing some crap that she will be worse than Andrew 25 years ago and Miami Dade is going to be leveled again. Andrew by the way had a land speed recorded gust of 185.(going off memory there, correct me of I'm wrong)

Yes, you left out my Climate Model. That is my only evidence for global warming. The rest is other people's evidence for global warming, which is mounting more and more each day, and it's starting to piss people like Rush Linbaugh off.

Now Category 5 hurricanes are being over hyped by Alarmists, lol

We just watched the worst natural disaster to happen in our lifetimes, and now a Category 5 hurricane is bearing down on Florida.

But you guys don't see any evidence of Global Warming? Rush Limbaugh
was talking about how the media was misleading people about where the hurricane was going, just to get people worked up. And that is basically what you were saying, about the hurricane really going a little east, and the media wasn't reporting it.

You apparently don't pay much attention to the actual media, any more than Rush Limbaugh. And neither of you know much about hurricane forecasting, or even hurricanes.

That picture you posted. It shows the hurricane in one of the most destructive positions there is, or close to it. Just move the hurricane a little closer inland, and then move it up the coast. It sits out over water, so it doesn't die down. It goes up the coast full strength Category 5. The tidal surge alone will flood the entire east coast of Florida. Move it in just a little closer to land and you have the wind damage, and the rain, and the surge, moving up the coast, full blast.

And, if you have been paying attention to what they call the spaghetti models [which show multiple model predictions, not just the one you were looking at], you will see that the do show the south to north coast trajectory. But this thing is so freaking big that it could go straight up the middle of the state, and still maintain hurricane strength, because it will be able to keep a foot in the water on both sides of the peninsula.

Lucky you, up in Iowa, and not down in beautiful Miami Beach. Those people down there believe in climate change, regardless of their political party. Well, they will when this one is over.

Climate Change Denial is comparable to Hitler's takeover of Germany. He did that partially by uniting people against a religious group of people. And then of course killed a bunch of them. So it's in a way, an even closer scenario.

If you don't want to believe something, you can look for whatever it is that's out there, to prove your belief, whether that something is relevant or not. As long as it makes you feel secure about your decision to believe whatever it is that your leaders [the ones who put those seeds of doubt out there] want you to believe.

you don't realize that you have been duped. The power to become unduped is within reach. All you have to do is start thinking for yourself.

Wake wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
So are you saying the atmosphere is still being heated a tad bit

even though the sun is down and the sky in nearly dark? Did I understand that right? And if so, why does daytime heating not begin (1-2 F in 10-15 min) until after the sun is up? Of course I'm talking about those clear calm mornings with no wind. I have even seen "flash frost" on those types of mornings in the late fall as the sun was 1/2 way clear of the horizon and the temps are hovering right at that 32-34 mark.

Sure, I'd love to pay my gambling losses. We can work together and eliminate some of that harmful methane by consuming some beef! Anytime.

Last night it stayed the same temperature from two hours before sunset until 3 am. But in nightmare's world it cools 20 degrees in seconds.

You're near the ocean.You get almost continuous air moving in from the ocean.

And yes, it CAN cool 20 degrees F in a relatively short space of time. The fastest I've seen was about 5 minutes, due to the arrival of a hail storm and a violent cold front right behind it.

So now in your world can = does.

Would you like to know what my friend the hacker tells me about you?I wouldn't mind everyone knowing.

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I don't consider it putting my "faith in NASA and NOAA," but I do have confidence that they aren't trying to mislead people with erroneous data. And at the same time, I have tremendous confidence also in denier websites doing just that.

Paradox? Hate that word faith don't you?
So far your evidence for global warming is NOAA, NASA, and a couple of Hurricanes. Can you do any better?

Yes, you left out my Climate Model.

GreenMan wrote:
That is my only evidence for global warming.

GreenMan wrote:
The rest is other people's evidence for global warming, which is mounting more and more each day,

GreenMan wrote:
and it's starting to piss people like Rush Linbaugh off.

GreenMan wrote:
Now Category 5 hurricanes are being over hyped by Alarmists, lol.

GreenMan wrote:
We just watched the worst natural disaster to happen in our lifetimes,

GreenMan wrote:
and now a Category 5 hurricane is bearing down on Florida.

GreenMan wrote:
But you guys don't see any evidence of Global Warming?

GreenMan wrote:
Rush Limbaugh was talking about how the media was misleading people about where the hurricane was going, just to get people worked up.

GreenMan wrote:
And that is basically what you were saying, about the hurricane really going a little east, and the media wasn't reporting it.
No one knows. Neither the media, nor Rush Limbaugh. People like to speculate though.

GreenMan wrote:
You apparently don't pay much attention to the actual media, any more than Rush Limbaugh.

Did you know that Rush Limbaugh IS actual media?

GreenMan wrote:
And neither of you know much about hurricane forecasting, or even hurricanes.

Neither do you.

GreenMan wrote:
That picture you posted. It shows the hurricane in one of the most destructive positions there is, or close to it. Just move the hurricane a little closer inland, and then move it up the coast. It sits out over water, so it doesn't die down. It goes up the coast full strength Category 5. The tidal surge alone will flood the entire east coast of Florida. Move it in just a little closer to land and you have the wind damage, and the rain, and the surge, moving up the coast, full blast.

...and you can't WAIT to hear about the destruction! You can almost pee yourself with excitement! Those people in the path of the hurricane are just political pawns to you.

GreenMan wrote:
And, if you have been paying attention to what they call the spaghetti models [which show multiple model predictions, not just the one you were looking at], you will see that the do show the south to north coast trajectory. But this thing is so freaking big that it could go straight up the middle of the state, and still maintain hurricane strength, because it will be able to keep a foot in the water on both sides of the peninsula.

Oh...joy! You are HOPING for that, aren't you!

GreenMan wrote:
Lucky you, up in Iowa, and not down in beautiful Miami Beach.

Considering how weird Floridan is, I don't blame him for living in Iowa.

GreenMan wrote:
Those people down there believe in climate change, regardless of their political party.

Like everywhere else, there are believers in the Church of Global Warming, and there are Outsiders.

GreenMan wrote:
Well, they will when this one is over.

No change likely. This is not Florida's first dance.

GreenMan wrote:
[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:
Seriously, when you find a great article that shows warming, don't you find it odd that it's always something or somewhere that average Joe can't verify? It's something from space, or the Arctic circle, or northern Siberia, or 10,000 ft down in the ocean, or a heat wave in Zimbabwe. Why should't we be able to see this deadly warming right is our own US of A? I've seen reports of 5 million dead per year due to global warming. You know anyone?

By the way, that hurricane data I was talking about was not a report. It is raw model forecast data. The GFS is a bit more ominous, sending Erma up the Eastern Florida coast but never land falling her till Carolina. Below is the NAM, another trusted medium range model, with a due north path and giving Florida a breezy day without as much a a shingle ripped off. Erma will likely be a bad day for some, but I'm hearing some crap that she will be worse than Andrew 25 years ago and Miami Dade is going to be leveled again. Andrew by the way had a land speed recorded gust of 185.(going off memory there, correct me of I'm wrong)

It's strange to me that people can be so misled about virtually anything their leaders want to mislead them about.

GreenMan wrote:
Climate Change Denial is comparable to Hitler's takeover of Germany.

GreenMan wrote:
He did that partially by uniting people against a religious group of people.

GreenMan wrote:
And then of course killed a bunch of them.

GreenMan wrote:
So it's in a way, an even closer scenario.

GreenMan wrote:
It's easy to convince people that something like Climate Change isn't real, if that person already doesn't want to believe that it is real. If you don't want to believe something, you can look for whatever it is that's out there, to prove your belief, whether that something is relevant or not. As long as it makes you feel secure about your decision to believe whatever it is that your leaders [the ones who put those seeds of doubt out there] want you to believe.

GreenMan wrote:
You are probably a normal man, Jizzy. And you don't realize that you have been duped. The power to become unduped is within reach.

GreenMan wrote:
All you have to do is start thinking for yourself.

ITN wrote;
...and you can't WAIT to hear about the destruction! You can almost pee yourself with excitement!

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzed & guzzling" guffed:... doesn't effect my life any.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Yes, you left out my Climate Model. That is my only evidence for global warming. The rest is other people's evidence for global warming, which is mounting more and more each day, and it's starting to piss people like Rush Linbaugh off.

Yes indeed, AGW evidence is starting to mount and it will be named Mt Trashmore.

Now Category 5 hurricanes are being over hyped by Alarmists, lol

.
Cat 5s are nothing new

We just watched the worst natural disaster to happen in our lifetimes, and now a Category 5 hurricane is bearing down on Florida.

Can you show me how these storms are global warming related. Warm water doesn't work. These water temps are warm but nothing out of the ordinary? Do you even know how and where a hurricane originates?

But you guys don't see any evidence of Global Warming? Rush Limbaugh
was talking about how the media was misleading people about where the hurricane was going, just to get people worked up. And that is basically what you were saying, about the hurricane really going a little east, and the media wasn't reporting it.

No he wasn't and I'm not either. I was saying there were a LOT of models showing an eastern track that missed land altogether. Did you see those on TV?

You apparently don't pay much attention to the actual media, any more than Rush Limbaugh. And neither of you know much about hurricane forecasting, or even hurricanes.

No I don't much listen to the media. I have learned where forecasters get the info they do there forecasts with. I pay attention to the same data sets and forecast models they use. Accuracy is still limited 3 days out, sometime 3 hours out in some explosive storm situations. Yet you will forecast the temp 100 years from now. Impressive model you built.

That picture you posted. It shows the hurricane in one of the most destructive positions there is, or close to it. Just move the hurricane a little closer inland, and then move it up the coast. It sits out over water, so it doesn't die down. It goes up the coast full strength Category 5. The tidal surge alone will flood the entire east coast of Florida. Move it in just a little closer to land and you have the wind damage, and the rain, and the surge, moving up the coast, full blast.

A western track to this storm would be bad for Miami and the keys. An Eastern track over open water would NOT bring Cat 5 winds to the eastern Florida coast. Even if is hugged the coast in a due north track it won't bring Cat 5 or even 4 winds to the coast. You have to look at the forward momentum and the right front quadrant will devastate anything it hits flush. Those are where the strongest winds are located, but the media is in all hyper mode and won't tell you that. Liability issues too. Peoples safety is their concern and better safe than sorry.

And, if you have been paying attention to what they call the spaghetti models [which show multiple model predictions, not just the one you were looking at], you will see that the do show the south to north coast trajectory. But this thing is so freaking big that it could go straight up the middle of the state, and still maintain hurricane strength, because it will be able to keep a foot in the water on both sides of the peninsula.

Never seen an eye wall maintain hurricane strength(>74mph) over land that long. I doubt it.

Lucky you, up in Iowa, and not down in beautiful Miami Beach. Those people down there believe in climate change, regardless of their political party. Well, they will when this one is over.

I live in Iowa where there are tornadoes. It comes with the territory. I accept it and choose to live here knowing that someday my house, or worse could be gone instantly. Same for the people in hurricane land.

Climate Change Denial is comparable to Hitler's takeover of Germany. He did that partially by uniting people against a religious group of people. And then of course killed a bunch of them. So it's in a way, an even closer scenario.

So climate change IS a religion

If you don't want to believe something, you can look for whatever it is that's out there, to prove your belief, whether that something is relevant or not. As long as it makes you feel secure about your decision to believe whatever it is that your leaders [the ones who put those seeds of doubt out there] want you to believe.

Lots of faith in that paragraph, once again showing climate change to be a religion

you don't realize that you have been duped. The power to become unduped is within reach. All you have to do is start thinking for yourself.

Comments like these only lead me to think you may finally be coming around. When all you've got left are insults, you've got nothin.

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Yes, you left out my Climate Model. That is my only evidence for global warming. The rest is other people's evidence for global warming, which is mounting more and more each day, and it's starting to piss people like Rush Linbaugh off.

Yes indeed, AGW evidence is starting to mount and it will be named Mt Trashmore.

Now Category 5 hurricanes are being over hyped by Alarmists, lol

.
Cat 5s are nothing new

We just watched the worst natural disaster to happen in our lifetimes, and now a Category 5 hurricane is bearing down on Florida.

Can you show me how these storms are global warming related. Warm water doesn't work. These water temps are warm but nothing out of the ordinary? Do you even know how and where a hurricane originates?

But you guys don't see any evidence of Global Warming? Rush Limbaugh
was talking about how the media was misleading people about where the hurricane was going, just to get people worked up. And that is basically what you were saying, about the hurricane really going a little east, and the media wasn't reporting it.

No he wasn't and I'm not either. I was saying there were a LOT of models showing an eastern track that missed land altogether. Did you see those on TV?

You apparently don't pay much attention to the actual media, any more than Rush Limbaugh. And neither of you know much about hurricane forecasting, or even hurricanes.

No I don't much listen to the media. I have learned where forecasters get the info they do there forecasts with. I pay attention to the same data sets and forecast models they use. Accuracy is still limited 3 days out, sometime 3 hours out in some explosive storm situations. Yet you will forecast the temp 100 years from now. Impressive model you built.

That picture you posted. It shows the hurricane in one of the most destructive positions there is, or close to it. Just move the hurricane a little closer inland, and then move it up the coast. It sits out over water, so it doesn't die down. It goes up the coast full strength Category 5. The tidal surge alone will flood the entire east coast of Florida. Move it in just a little closer to land and you have the wind damage, and the rain, and the surge, moving up the coast, full blast.

A western track to this storm would be bad for Miami and the keys. An Eastern track over open water would NOT bring Cat 5 winds to the eastern Florida coast. Even if is hugged the coast in a due north track it won't bring Cat 5 or even 4 winds to the coast. You have to look at the forward momentum and the right front quadrant will devastate anything it hits flush. Those are where the strongest winds are located, but the media is in all hyper mode and won't tell you that. Liability issues too. Peoples safety is their concern and better safe than sorry.

And, if you have been paying attention to what they call the spaghetti models [which show multiple model predictions, not just the one you were looking at], you will see that the do show the south to north coast trajectory. But this thing is so freaking big that it could go straight up the middle of the state, and still maintain hurricane strength, because it will be able to keep a foot in the water on both sides of the peninsula.

Never seen an eye wall maintain hurricane strength(>74mph) over land that long. I doubt it.

Lucky you, up in Iowa, and not down in beautiful Miami Beach. Those people down there believe in climate change, regardless of their political party. Well, they will when this one is over.

I live in Iowa where there are tornadoes. It comes with the territory. I accept it and choose to live here knowing that someday my house, or worse could be gone instantly. Same for the people in hurricane land.

Climate Change Denial is comparable to Hitler's takeover of Germany. He did that partially by uniting people against a religious group of people. And then of course killed a bunch of them. So it's in a way, an even closer scenario.

So climate change IS a religion

If you don't want to believe something, you can look for whatever it is that's out there, to prove your belief, whether that something is relevant or not. As long as it makes you feel secure about your decision to believe whatever it is that your leaders [the ones who put those seeds of doubt out there] want you to believe.

Lots of faith in that paragraph, once again showing climate change to be a religion

you don't realize that you have been duped. The power to become unduped is within reach. All you have to do is start thinking for yourself.

Comments like these only lead me to think you may finally be coming around. When all you've got left are insults, you've got nothin.

That was meant to be a challenge, instead of an insult. But I can see how you can take it as an insult, instead of a challenge. You feel comfortable in your little world, so you like listening to the bull shit Rush Linbaugh preaches. You are hooked, and you don't like people pointing that out.

GreenMan wrote:
Evidence of Global Warming is all around.

GreenMan wrote:
Like that hurricane that attacked Houston last week,

GreenMan wrote:
and the one that is bearing down on us now.

GreenMan wrote:
The one last week had a lot more water than previous storms.

GreenMan wrote:
And this one is the largest category we have.

GreenMan wrote:
But neither of that is actual evidence of intensification.

GreenMan wrote:
The only real evidence of intensification is just common sense.

GreenMan wrote:
The waters are warmer than they used to be.

GreenMan wrote:
Warm waters are what fuel hurricanes.

GreenMan wrote:
Warmer water fuels hurricanes even more.

GreenMan wrote:
But according to you foolish leaders, we can't even tell what the temperature of the water is, to any degree of accuracy.

GreenMan wrote:
So you should just ignore what they say about warmer water, warmer world, etc.

GreenMan wrote:
They are just trying to fool you into thinking there really is a problem, when it's just a Chinese hoax.

GreenMan wrote:
And no, I'm not coming around.

GreenMan wrote:
You can throw off on my Climate Model for not being able to predict your weather tomorrow.

GreenMan wrote:
But it just shows your stupidity, and your inability to grasp the concept that this is going to be a long drawn out ordeal.

GreenMan wrote:
We are just starting to see the beginning of our problems.

GreenMan wrote:
It gets worse as time goes on, and that is what my Climate Model predicts.

GreenMan wrote:
You idiots really need to grasp that concept. It's not about forecasting your weather next year. It's about forecasting OUR weather a hundred years from now, and it ain't pretty.

Wake wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Wake wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Redlite wrote;
No one played footsy with chinese communists(always small letters) better than Nixon

And your excoriating review of Bill Clinton and Sandy Burgler will be out shortly after you read the Cox Report? Good.

In the meantime, would you like to comment on a climate topic? There are plenty to choose from.

He doesn't have any comments. He merely copies written attacks on some anonymous person who he believes to cover anyone he doesn't like. And then her repeats them to himself seven or eight times.

Funny you say that. A while back I noticed that the copied line of "old sick silly sleepy stupid me" had a typo in it for weeks and he just kept on pasting it. It has since been "fixed" for more pasting. What drives a person to continue in a way that earns them idiot status? I have no clue. Whatever, doesn't effect my life any.

I know who Greenman is and it's pretty funny. He actually does believe in magic. So there is no surprise that he thinks that AGW is real. He HAS to believe in something. You can't expect a whole lot more from people who live in New Hampshire. I think that he's involved in making toilet paper. There is a lot of need for a controls engineer there.

GreenMan wrote:

That was meant to be a challenge, instead of an insult. But I can see how you can take it as an insult, instead of a challenge. You feel comfortable in your little world, so you like listening to the bull shit Rush Linbaugh preaches. You are hooked, and you don't like people pointing that out.

Evidence of Global Warming is all around. Like that hurricane that attacked Houston last week, and the one that is bearing down on us now. The one last week had a lot more water than previous storms. And this one is the largest category we have. But neither of that is actual evidence of intensification. The only real evidence of intensification is just common sense. The waters are warmer than they used to be. Warm waters are what fuel hurricanes. Warmer water fuels hurricanes even more.

But according to you foolish leaders, we can't even tell what the temperature of the water is, to any degree of accuracy. So you should just ignore what they say about warmer water, warmer world, etc. They are just trying to fool you into thinking there really is a problem, when it's just a Chinese hoax.

And no, I'm not coming around. You can throw off on my Climate Model for not being able to predict your weather tomorrow. But it just shows your stupidity, and your inability to grasp the concept that this is going to be a long drawn out ordeal. We are just starting to see the beginning of our problems. It gets worse as time goes on, and that is what my Climate Model predicts.

You idiots really need to grasp that concept. It's not about forecasting your weather next year. It's about forecasting OUR weather a hundred years from now, and it ain't pretty.

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

That was meant to be a challenge, instead of an insult. But I can see how you can take it as an insult, instead of a challenge. You feel comfortable in your little world, so you like listening to the bull shit Rush Linbaugh preaches. You are hooked, and you don't like people pointing that out.

Evidence of Global Warming is all around. Like that hurricane that attacked Houston last week, and the one that is bearing down on us now. The one last week had a lot more water than previous storms. And this one is the largest category we have. But neither of that is actual evidence of intensification. The only real evidence of intensification is just common sense. The waters are warmer than they used to be. Warm waters are what fuel hurricanes. Warmer water fuels hurricanes even more.

But according to you foolish leaders, we can't even tell what the temperature of the water is, to any degree of accuracy. So you should just ignore what they say about warmer water, warmer world, etc. They are just trying to fool you into thinking there really is a problem, when it's just a Chinese hoax.

And no, I'm not coming around. You can throw off on my Climate Model for not being able to predict your weather tomorrow. But it just shows your stupidity, and your inability to grasp the concept that this is going to be a long drawn out ordeal. We are just starting to see the beginning of our problems. It gets worse as time goes on, and that is what my Climate Model predicts.

You idiots really need to grasp that concept. It's not about forecasting your weather next year. It's about forecasting OUR weather a hundred years from now, and it ain't pretty.

Hey Chris - why don't you tell us ALL about "your model"? I really love to hear you talk about things you know nothing about. Your belief in magic doesn't make anything you have to think true.

Perhaps you can explain what the hell Rush Limbaugh has to do with anything? Is he your magic breaker and must be done away with? Or is this the New Hampshire sort of thinking that Rush is the leader of the pack? Perhaps you ought to look at ratings a little more closely before you have things like that to say. There are several other talk show hosts that have far better ratings. Some with law degrees and others with PhD's etc.

But anyone that actually listened to Limbaugh knows that he, unlike the leftest media on anything like yahoo or TV, only gives opinions and he calls them opinions. The media plainly lies to the people and misrepresents anything they cannot lie about.

Sort of like your Climate Model. Go back to being and engineer "controlling" those toilet paper dispensers. Do something you might possibly be good at.

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

That was meant to be a challenge, instead of an insult. But I can see how you can take it as an insult, instead of a challenge. You feel comfortable in your little world, so you like listening to the bull shit Rush Linbaugh preaches. You are hooked, and you don't like people pointing that out.

Evidence of Global Warming is all around. Like that hurricane that attacked Houston last week, and the one that is bearing down on us now. The one last week had a lot more water than previous storms. And this one is the largest category we have. But neither of that is actual evidence of intensification. The only real evidence of intensification is just common sense. The waters are warmer than they used to be. Warm waters are what fuel hurricanes. Warmer water fuels hurricanes even more.

But according to you foolish leaders, we can't even tell what the temperature of the water is, to any degree of accuracy. So you should just ignore what they say about warmer water, warmer world, etc. They are just trying to fool you into thinking there really is a problem, when it's just a Chinese hoax.

And no, I'm not coming around. You can throw off on my Climate Model for not being able to predict your weather tomorrow. But it just shows your stupidity, and your inability to grasp the concept that this is going to be a long drawn out ordeal. We are just starting to see the beginning of our problems. It gets worse as time goes on, and that is what my Climate Model predicts.

You idiots really need to grasp that concept. It's not about forecasting your weather next year. It's about forecasting OUR weather a hundred years from now, and it ain't pretty.

Hey Chris - why don't you tell us ALL about "your model"? I really love to hear you talk about things you know nothing about. Your belief in magic doesn't make anything you have to think true.

Perhaps you can explain what the hell Rush Limbaugh has to do with anything? Is he your magic breaker and must be done away with? Or is this the New Hampshire sort of thinking that Rush is the leader of the pack? Perhaps you ought to look at ratings a little more closely before you have things like that to say. There are several other talk show hosts that have far better ratings. Some with law degrees and others with PhD's etc.

But anyone that actually listened to Limbaugh knows that he, unlike the leftest media on anything like yahoo or TV, only gives opinions and he calls them opinions. The media plainly lies to the people and misrepresents anything they cannot lie about.

Sort of like your Climate Model. Go back to being and engineer "controlling" those toilet paper dispensers. Do something you might possibly be good at.

Rush Limbaugh doesn't have much to do with anything, agreed. I was commenting on how closely what Jizz Guzzler was saying compared to what Rush Limbaugh was saying. Could be coincidental, but it is more likely that Jizz got his opinion from Rush.

So maybe Rush has more to do with it than you, or I think he does? I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him. But a lot of die hard conservatives believe everything he says.

Doesn't look like the hurricane cares what he says. It don't care what Jizzy's color weather radar map prediction says either. It looks like the alarmist media called it very close, so far.

Still can't figure out what you mean by magic. My Climate Model is simply an algorithm, that backcasts the earth's average temperature accurately. It's not magic. It is math. That's not really magic to most people nowadays.

Since we are on first name basis, why don't you share yours?

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Like you would even understand what they're saying. You tell us you've gone to the "climate experts" and they tell you that global warming is all man's fault. With morons like you who needs penguins?

spot wrote:

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Like you would even understand what they're saying. You tell us you've gone to the "climate experts" and they tell you that global warming is all man's fault. With morons like you who needs penguins?

Well I know enough to know you don't understand what they are saying, otherwise you would not spend so much time and energy on this board saying the crap you do.

Spot wrote;
The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts.

But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented.

The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Spot wrote;
The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

It only takes seconds to find this stuff, Google is amazing. What takes longest is filtering out propaganda.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts.

I'd love to talk to these guys. I've got one friend at NOAA in Davenport, but I don't know anyone at the hurricane center. can you hook me up?

But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented.

Unprecedented since when? "strongest on record" doesn't mean strongest ever. Accurate hurricane measurements are relatively young.

The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

You can't hire experts on a phone repairman's salary.

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Like you would even understand what they're saying. You tell us you've gone to the "climate experts" and they tell you that global warming is all man's fault. With morons like you who needs penguins?

Well I know enough to know you don't understand what they are saying, otherwise you would not spend so much time and energy on this board saying the crap you do.

It drives you crazy that everyone sees you for the moron you are doesn't it? And a British one at that. So if you are a British moron that really really says a whole lot. Having low intelligence in England is like having an IQ under 100 in the US. Really stupid.

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Spot wrote;
The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

It only takes seconds to find this stuff, Google is amazing. What takes longest is filtering out propaganda.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts.

I'd love to talk to these guys. I've got one friend at NOAA in Davenport, but I don't know anyone at the hurricane center. can you hook me up?

But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented.

Unprecedented since when? "strongest on record" doesn't mean strongest ever. Accurate hurricane measurements are relatively young.

The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

You can't hire experts on a phone repairman's salary.

What do you want to ask that isn't in the public domain allready?

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).
Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause tropical cyclones globally to be more intense on average (by 2 to 11% according to model projections for an IPCC A1B scenario). This change would imply an even larger percentage increase in the destructive potential per storm, assuming no reduction in storm size.
There are better than even odds that anthropogenic warming over the next century will lead to an increase in the occurrence of very intense tropical cyclone in some basins–an increase that would be substantially larger in percentage terms than the 2-11% increase in the average storm intensity. This increase in intense storm occurrence is projected despite a likely decrease (or little change) in the global numbers of all tropical cyclones.
Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause tropical cyclones to have substantially higher rainfall rates than present-day ones, with a model-projected increase of about 10-15% for rainfall rates averaged within about 100 km of the storm center.

So why did Irma grow so strong? Most likely because climate change is making Atlantic waters ever warmer.

Tropical cyclones are fuelled by warm surface waters of around 26°C or more. They draw in moist air from all around them, and as it rises, the water vapour condenses out and releases latent heat, which drives further uplift. Irma's clouds are 20 kilometres high.

spot wrote:
New scientist says this;

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2146562-hurricane-irmas-epic-size-is-being-fuelled-by-global-warming/

So why did Irma grow so strong? Most likely because climate change is making Atlantic waters ever warmer.

Tropical cyclones are fuelled by warm surface waters of around 26°C or more. They draw in moist air from all around them, and as it rises, the water vapour condenses out and releases latent heat, which drives further uplift. Irma's clouds are 20 kilometres high.

But I'm sure if you google hard enough you will find someone telling you what you want to hear. but it won't be true.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" bluffs: he believes that people actually measure the temperature at weather stations.

GreenMan wrote:
And, no, I don't believe in magic, except for the magic of life. But I am curious about why you think I do.

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

That was meant to be a challenge, instead of an insult. But I can see how you can take it as an insult, instead of a challenge. You feel comfortable in your little world, so you like listening to the bull shit Rush Linbaugh preaches. You are hooked, and you don't like people pointing that out.

Evidence of Global Warming is all around. Like that hurricane that attacked Houston last week, and the one that is bearing down on us now. The one last week had a lot more water than previous storms. And this one is the largest category we have. But neither of that is actual evidence of intensification. The only real evidence of intensification is just common sense. The waters are warmer than they used to be. Warm waters are what fuel hurricanes. Warmer water fuels hurricanes even more.

But according to you foolish leaders, we can't even tell what the temperature of the water is, to any degree of accuracy. So you should just ignore what they say about warmer water, warmer world, etc. They are just trying to fool you into thinking there really is a problem, when it's just a Chinese hoax.

And no, I'm not coming around. You can throw off on my Climate Model for not being able to predict your weather tomorrow. But it just shows your stupidity, and your inability to grasp the concept that this is going to be a long drawn out ordeal. We are just starting to see the beginning of our problems. It gets worse as time goes on, and that is what my Climate Model predicts.

You idiots really need to grasp that concept. It's not about forecasting your weather next year. It's about forecasting OUR weather a hundred years from now, and it ain't pretty.

Hey Chris - why don't you tell us ALL about "your model"? I really love to hear you talk about things you know nothing about. Your belief in magic doesn't make anything you have to think true.

Perhaps you can explain what the hell Rush Limbaugh has to do with anything? Is he your magic breaker and must be done away with? Or is this the New Hampshire sort of thinking that Rush is the leader of the pack? Perhaps you ought to look at ratings a little more closely before you have things like that to say. There are several other talk show hosts that have far better ratings. Some with law degrees and others with PhD's etc.

But anyone that actually listened to Limbaugh knows that he, unlike the leftest media on anything like yahoo or TV, only gives opinions and he calls them opinions. The media plainly lies to the people and misrepresents anything they cannot lie about.

Sort of like your Climate Model. Go back to being and engineer "controlling" those toilet paper dispensers. Do something you might possibly be good at.

Rush Limbaugh doesn't have much to do with anything, agreed. I was commenting on how closely what Jizz Guzzler was saying compared to what Rush Limbaugh was saying. Could be coincidental, but it is more likely that Jizz got his opinion from Rush.

GreenMan wrote:
So maybe Rush has more to do with it than you, or I think he does? I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him. But a lot of die hard conservatives believe everything he says.

GreenMan wrote:
Doesn't look like the hurricane cares what he says.

GreenMan wrote:
It don't care what Jizzy's color weather radar map prediction says either. It looks like the alarmist media called it very close, so far.

GreenMan wrote:
Still can't figure out what you mean by magic.

GreenMan wrote:
My Climate Model is simply an algorithm, that backcasts the earth's average temperature accurately.

GreenMan wrote:
It's not magic.

GreenMan wrote:
It is math.

GreenMan wrote:
That's not really magic to most people nowadays.

spot wrote: golf buddies.

spot wrote:
New scientist says this;

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2146562-hurricane-irmas-epic-size-is-being-fuelled-by-global-warming/

So why did Irma grow so strong? Most likely because climate change is making Atlantic waters ever warmer.

Tropical cyclones are fuelled by warm surface waters of around 26°C or more. They draw in moist air from all around them, and as it rises, the water vapour condenses out and releases latent heat, which drives further uplift. Irma's clouds are 20 kilometres high.

But I'm sure if you google hard enough you will find someone telling you what you want to hear. but it won't be true.

spot wrote: I take it from that you don't have a point or reason to post. Have a go at me its better then kicking your cat.

[b]Into the Night wrote: it CAN cool 20 degrees F in a relatively short space of time. The fastest I've seen was about 5 minutes, due to the arrival of a hail storm and a violent cold front right behind it.

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

Let me guess. Is it 87? Ocean temperature is currently 89 at Key West [86~87 along coast]. But can't figure out what your point is. Do you suppose it will go back to a Category 5?

I did say something close to what you paraphrased. The storms are being intensified by the additional heat.

GreenMan wrote:
It doesn't seem like much, but that .5C rise we have seen over the last 40 years adds a lot of punch to the storms.

GreenMan wrote:
That's not to imply that they used to all be wimpy.

GreenMan wrote:
There have been major storms since there have been wind and rain.

GreenMan wrote:
But we know the water temperature is warmer than it was,

GreenMan wrote:
so we know that the storms are increasing in strength because of it.

GreenMan wrote:
And now, low and behold, we have back to back Category 4s, and that's just if this one
doesn't increase to Category 5,

GreenMan wrote:
before it attacks Florida. [And yes, Pigeon Eater, hurricanes do attack cities. Well, actually, it is Zeus, attacking Houston and now Key West, with his favorite weapon. He is all bent out of shape about the disregard those places have for him, and his growing anger.

GreenMan wrote:
I think I just figured out another Denier claim, that you guys can use to dispute Greenhouse Gases, since you are running out of any kind of logic, and are having to make stuff up, just to have something to say.

GreenMan wrote:
You can say that Zeus is in control of the weather,...

GasGuzzler wrote:
I believe Spot has performed his usual hit and run like hell. He will be back in a couple more weeks to enlighten us once again. Don't forget, this guy went to a climate conference.

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Wake wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenlite wrote;
I doubt that anyone who hasn't made up their mind about whether or not Global Warming is a threat [or even if it is real] will be influenced by an idiot like him.

Doesn't mean I won't still call you out when making false claims to show global warming.
You said this hurricane strength is a result of warmer than normal water temps. Did you not? At the big fear is that this storm could strengthen again when it hits the 87 degree water off the Florida coast.
So this thing will hit around Key West if the models are correct. Do you see that Aug-Sept average for water temps in Key West? Can you read that number for me please? I can't even read I'm such and idiot. What is that number oh math genius?

The amount of time and research you do to make such idiotic posts.

If I want to know about hurricanes I will go to the horses mouth and talk to hurricane experts. But even your god emperor said this hurricane is unprecedented. The next question is; 'why?' To find out I would hire experts and not my golf buddies.

Like you would even understand what they're saying. You tell us you've gone to the "climate experts" and they tell you that global warming is all man's fault. With morons like you who needs penguins?