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August 2020 second warmest August on Record17-09-2020 15:19
DRKTS
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The streak continues: August 2020 second highest global temperatures, just behind the record El Nino year of 2016

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3368vWeCco

Data available at the NCDC if you want to check the analysis.

Meanwhile the Solar cycle 25 prediction panel (NOAA / NASA) have confirmed what I have been saying for months - namely we are past solar minimum (December 2019) and Solar Cysle 25 is well underway. They also predict (as I did) that SC25 will be larger than SC24.
17-09-2020 17:23
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PREACH IT, BROTHER!!!
17-09-2020 17:38
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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gfm7175 wrote:
PREACH IT, BROTHER!!!

Can I get an AMEN?!


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
17-09-2020 17:49
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GasGuzzler wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
PREACH IT, BROTHER!!!

Can I get an AMEN?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9V5WV_Fbk&t=1m42s


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
Edited on 17-09-2020 17:53
17-09-2020 20:31
HarveyH55
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Wasn't the June and July threads, the hottest on record? Does that mean we are global cooling again? I didn't care about the warming, I like a warmer climate, live in Florida. Please, no ice age crap, that really scares me. Cold sucks. I've got a stack of used tires in my backyard I could burn. Think that would be enough CO2 to get us back on a warming tread. Or would the foul smelling black smoke, just annoy the neighbors, like last time...
17-09-2020 21:31
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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DRKTS wrote:
The streak continues: August 2020 second highest global temperatures,

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. There is no record of global temperatures.
DRKTS wrote:
just behind the record El Nino year of 2016

El Nino does not warm the Earth or indicate warming of the Earth.
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DRKTS wrote:
Data available at the NCDC if you want to check the analysis.

There is no data. Analyzing random numbers is pointless.
DRKTS wrote:
Meanwhile the Solar cycle 25 prediction panel (NOAA / NASA) have confirmed what I have been saying for months - namely we are past solar minimum (December 2019) and Solar Cysle 25 is well underway.

Yup. Jupiter is a perihelion again.
DRKTS wrote:
They also predict (as I did) that SC25 will be larger than SC24.

Put away your Holy Entrails. No one can predict a solar cycle's intensity.

It's like the monthly chanting.


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17-09-2020 23:16
duncan61
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Good answers team.How can something so small make such a difference.I have poured my glass of wine in the swimming pool and made it more acidic.Now we are doomed
18-09-2020 11:42
duncan61
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The weather station at the end of the runway at Amberely airforce base Ipswich Queensland has shown a 1 degree C cooling since 1942.Thats what it is but BOM are claiming a 1.76 degree warming for the area.Go figure.
19-09-2020 21:12
DRKTS
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Into the Night wrote:

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. There is no record of global temperatures.


Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.


El Nino does not warm the Earth or indicate warming of the Earth.


During El Nino Years the average temperature anomaly of the Earth is larger (e.g., 1998 and 2016). When the is a La Nina the reverse happens the average temperature anomaly falls (e.g., 2008 and 2011).


There is no data. Analyzing random numbers is pointless.


Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.


Yup. Jupiter is a perihelion again.


Another factual error. Not until January 2023. Can you get anything right?


Put away your Holy Entrails. No one can predict a solar cycle's intensity.


I did it last time, we got both the intensity and date correct.
19-09-2020 22:48
HarveyH55
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Just saying it's warming, doesn't make it so... It's a scam, which requires a lot of work and resources to sell. Would you think, that if it held merit, it would be universally obvious, and indisputable? How many decades have democrats been try to sell this nonsense? Real scientists, have their own projects, hopes and dreams to work on. Why would anyone consider dropping actual useful research, just to debunk an obvious, political hoax? All they could hope to gain, is bragging rights. No research money in it, only lost time on actual important work. Being wrong, mislead, or just plain stupid, isn't a criminal offense. None of the climate change guys are going to prison, or have to repay any of the wasted money.
20-09-2020 02:50
duncan61
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DRKTS wrote:
Into the Night wrote:

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. There is no record of global temperatures.


Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.


El Nino does not warm the Earth or indicate warming of the Earth.


During El Nino Years the average temperature anomaly of the Earth is larger (e.g., 1998 and 2016). When the is a La Nina the reverse happens the average temperature anomaly falls (e.g., 2008 and 2011).


There is no data. Analyzing random numbers is pointless.


Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.


Yup. Jupiter is a perihelion again.


Another factual error. Not until January 2023. Can you get anything right?


Put away your Holy Entrails. No one can predict a solar cycle's intensity.


I did it last time, we got both the intensity and date correct.


What is the global temperature of the entire planet in one go right now


duncan61
20-09-2020 03:56
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DRKTS wrote:Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.

Are you, of all people, trying to disparage someone's track record?

Are you, of all people, "just saying so" that the earth is getting warmer without any valid data? Oh that's right, you have a million lame excuses as to why you REFUSE to post any sort of valid data.

LOSER.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
20-09-2020 05:42
HarveyH55
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IBdaMann wrote:
DRKTS wrote:Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.

Are you, of all people, trying to disparage someone's track record?

Are you, of all people, "just saying so" that the earth is getting warmer without any valid data? Oh that's right, you have a million lame excuses as to why you REFUSE to post any sort of valid data.

LOSER.


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But there's a consensus. I'm not sure how many have to 'believe', but if you get enough people to sign up, anything can become an indisputable fact. If you get enough together, and they truly 'believe', they can drink rat poison tainted Kool-aid, and not be harmed... Not what went wrong, when Rev, Jim Jones tried to prove this. Got a hunch climate change is about the same, just a different poison.
20-09-2020 10:37
duncan61
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I am going to enjoy keeping track of the CO2 content of the atmosphere over the rest of my lifetime.To double it to 800ppm would take a massive effort by everyone and it would be interesting to see what if any difference it made.
20-09-2020 15:18
DRKTS
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Just saying it's warming, doesn't make it so... It's a scam, which requires a lot of work and resources to sell.

No the scientific measurements of many different factors makes it so.

Would you think, that if it held merit, it would be universally obvious, and indisputable?


It is, for those that have the wit to see with unbiased eyes

How many decades have democrats been try to sell this nonsense? Real scientists, have their own projects, hopes and dreams to work on. Why would anyone consider dropping actual useful research, just to debunk an obvious, political hoax?


Because they consider it the most import problem facing the planet

All they could hope to gain, is bragging rights. No research money in it, only lost time on actual important work. Being wrong, mislead, or just plain stupid, isn't a criminal offense. None of the climate change guys are going to prison, or have to repay any of the wasted money.


Even the fossil fuel companies knew this was a problem 30 years ago but kept it quiet.
20-09-2020 16:00
duncan61
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I have spent the day learning about Infrared light and Ultra violet light.Correct me if I get this wrong.UV light reaches Earth from the sun and warms the planet to a habital level then IR light is radiated back in to space however gases and water vapour impede the IR light leaving and reflect a small amount back.Is there a calculation for how much CO2 reflects the amount of IR light back or are we just having a bit of a hopeful guess like the rest of the far out theories like polar bears going extinct and sea levels going up.Tell me about how 2019/2020 Arctic iced up 40% more than the previous years.Logic says that if the warming is happening and doing its magic it can not just reverse around.I believe Lord Monckton who claims we have been cooling for the last 17 years and 9 months.In my studies today I feel I have a better understanding of Left wing/Democrat and Socialist systems.Why will the Media not share the good news about the ice and Polar bears.The Hudson bay east population is growing and that is the one that in the 70s was first for the chop?
20-09-2020 16:11
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DRKTS wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Just saying it's warming, doesn't make it so... It's a scam, which requires a lot of work and resources to sell.

No the scientific measurements of many different factors makes it so.

Would you think, that if it held merit, it would be universally obvious, and indisputable?


It is, for those that have the wit to see with unbiased eyes

How many decades have democrats been try to sell this nonsense? Real scientists, have their own projects, hopes and dreams to work on. Why would anyone consider dropping actual useful research, just to debunk an obvious, political hoax?


Because they consider it the most import problem facing the planet

All they could hope to gain, is bragging rights. No research money in it, only lost time on actual important work. Being wrong, mislead, or just plain stupid, isn't a criminal offense. None of the climate change guys are going to prison, or have to repay any of the wasted money.


Even the fossil fuel companies knew this was a problem 30 years ago but kept it quiet.
Yeah. 30 years ago they got sued, and global warming was one of the environmental issues listed. Don't remember how that got resolved, since it takes years, and frivolous, no interest in following the case.

Has the IPCC ever claim that we could completely stop global warming, in anyway? Have there been any claims of being able to reverse global warming? The best that they can offer, is to maybe slow the rate of global warming. No confidence, or commitment on this either. CO2 is a trace gas, and also absolutely vital to all life on the planet. Even if mankind quit burning stuff, nature still produces large quantities. California is producing massive quantities every year, burning millions of acres of forests.

Solar panels and windmills aren't a viable replacement for the use of fossil fuels. They currently only supplement the current, barely adequate power generation plants.

There is no direct evidence, or clear, repeatable method for measuring global warming. It's a long, convoluted, causal-chain, circumstantial at best. It only make sense to those willing, and wanting to believe. Or, to complete morons, who tend to believe anything...
20-09-2020 16:12
duncan61
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I have just watched your presentation again DRKTS Whats with the funeral music and my brother is working in the Pilbara where you say it is a record high and it is not.Over the last 5 years it has become much more pleasant than before where it can get extremely hot over 50 regularly .Stop lying or meet me at the airport in Port Headland with a thermometer
20-09-2020 18:55
DRKTS
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duncan61 wrote:
I have just watched your presentation again DRKTS Whats with the funeral music

The music is supplied by YT.

and my brother is working in the Pilbara where you say it is a record high and it is not.


According to the percentiles map, Pilbara was above average (NW Australia?), not record.

Over the last 5 years it has become much more pleasant than before where it can get extremely hot over 50 regularly .Stop lying or meet me at the airport in Port Headland with a thermometer


The numbers came from your own government, not me. I suspect they have weather stations all over that area.
20-09-2020 18:56
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duncan61 wrote:
I have just watched your presentation again DRKTS Whats with the funeral music and my brother is working in the Pilbara where you say it is a record high and it is not.Over the last 5 years it has become much more pleasant than before where it can get extremely hot over 50 regularly .Stop lying or meet me at the airport in Port Headland with a thermometer


I've lived in Florida since 1986. 2004-05, were the two most active, destructive years. Climate guys were claiming it the new normal, and will on get worse, more major storms... Then it started slowing down quite a bit, few storms, fewer major storms. They had to make some changes, on how storms were measured (mainly be aircraft now). Very few of the 'monster' storms, remain hurricane status, more than a few hours after landfall. Seems to me, 15 years is a long time for global warming to take a break, specially when it's a major crisis, and the actions demanded.

I don't believe there are any weather trends, or long cycles. Conditions of several factors occasionally come together, and produce some extreme weather. They run their course, and everything is decent enough for a while. We don't always get what we want, when we want it. We can't always change everything to better suit our wants and desires. There is no cheating in life, you play the cards you are dealt. If you are smart, you make best of the hand your are holding, anything else, and you eventually lose the game.
20-09-2020 19:20
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DRKTS wrote:
Into the Night wrote:

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. There is no record of global temperatures.


Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.

I do not say so. Math says so. You deny mathematics. Bulverism.
DRKTS wrote:

El Nino does not warm the Earth or indicate warming of the Earth.


During El Nino Years the average temperature anomaly of the Earth is larger (e.g., 1998 and 2016). When the is a La Nina the reverse happens the average temperature anomaly falls (e.g., 2008 and 2011).

The temperature of the Earth is unknown. There is no 'anomaly'. Math error. Buzzword fallacy. You can't create energy from nothing.
DRKTS wrote:

There is no data. Analyzing random numbers is pointless.

Just saying it does not make it so - especially with your track record.

You are seriously arguing that analyzing random numbers means anything????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
DRKTS wrote:

Yup. Jupiter is a perihelion again.


Another factual error. Not until January 2023. Can you get anything right?

Correct. Perihelion for Jupiter is in 2023. That will be about the same time as the minimum of the current sunspot cycle. We can, for practical purposes, consider it essentially minimum now. It follows a sine wave, you see.
DRKTS wrote:

Put away your Holy Entrails. No one can predict a solar cycle's intensity.


I did it last time, we got both the intensity and date correct.

We? I? How many of you are there? Are you a false prophet? False prophets claim they predicted a past event earlier all the time.


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20-09-2020 19:27
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DRKTS wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Just saying it's warming, doesn't make it so... It's a scam, which requires a lot of work and resources to sell.

No the scientific measurements

Science isn't a measurement.
DRKTS wrote:
of many different factors makes it so.

What factors? Where were these 'measurements' made? When? How was bias avoided? What instruments were used? How many? What variance was used? How was it justified? Where is this raw data published? Who collected the data? Why was it collected?
DRKTS wrote:
Would you think, that if it held merit, it would be universally obvious, and indisputable?

It is, for those that have the wit to see with unbiased eyes

You have not shown any data. You have not shown how any data was collected without bias. You are just making up random numbers and calling it data.
DRKTS wrote:
How many decades have democrats been try to sell this nonsense? Real scientists, have their own projects, hopes and dreams to work on. Why would anyone consider dropping actual useful research, just to debunk an obvious, political hoax?

Because they consider it the most import problem facing the planet

You have to define the problem before you can deal with it. Define 'climate change'. Define 'global warming'. Buzzwords don't mean anything.
DRKTS wrote:
All they could hope to gain, is bragging rights. No research money in it, only lost time on actual important work. Being wrong, mislead, or just plain stupid, isn't a criminal offense. None of the climate change guys are going to prison, or have to repay any of the wasted money.


Even the fossil fuel companies knew this was a problem 30 years ago but kept it quiet.

There are no fossil fuel companies. We don't use fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
There were no fossil fuel companies 30 years ago either.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
20-09-2020 19:47
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duncan61 wrote:
I have spent the day learning about Infrared light and Ultra violet light.

Good for you. The better to increase your knowledge.
duncan61 wrote:
Correct me if I get this wrong.

I'll try.
duncan61 wrote:
UV light reaches Earth from the sun and warms the planet to a habital level

No. UV light does not warm anything. When UV light is absorbed, it causes a chemical reaction or direct ionization. It does not convert to thermal energy. IR light, when absorbed, converts to thermal energy. Most of the energy emitted from the Sun is infrared light.
duncan61 wrote:
then IR light is radiated back in to space

This is correct.
duncan61 wrote:
however gases and water vapour impede the IR light leaving and reflect a small amount back.

No. Certain gases and water vapor can absorb infrared light, either from the Sun or from IR light radiating from Earth's surface. Like usual, this results in increased thermal energy in the molecule that absorbed it. The photon that was absorbed is utterly destroyed.

Essentially, the surface warms the atmosphere. Both by conduction and by radiance from the surface. This cools the surface. It doesn't warm it. The atmosphere also has thermal energy (it's mass above absolute zero). It there also radiates infrared light just like the surface does. The light it radiates is lower in intensity and a cooler color, but it is infrared light all the same. It is not reflected light.

No molecule will absorb energy from a photon that has less energy than that molecule already has. That photon will be reflected or refracted. You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. That would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and quantum physics.
duncan61 wrote:
Is there a calculation for how much CO2 reflects the amount of IR light back

Zero. Certain frequencies of infrared are absorbed by CO2. They are not reflected back. The photon is destroyed when absorbed.
duncan61 wrote:
or are we just having a bit of a hopeful guess like the rest of the far out theories like polar bears going extinct and sea levels going up.

Not even a hopeful guess. These theories of science cannot just be discarded. They have not yet been falsified.
duncan61 wrote:
Tell me about how 2019/2020 Arctic iced up 40% more than the previous years.

It is not possible to measure the total snow and ice in the Arctic. The winter ice extent for the Arctic has been going up though. This is surface area covered, measurable by a satellite. No satellite can measure how thick the ice is.
duncan61 wrote:
Logic says that if the warming is happening and doing its magic it can not just reverse around.

Quite right.
duncan61 wrote:
I believe Lord Monckton who claims we have been cooling for the last 17 years and 9 months.

The temperature of the Earth is unknown. It cannot be measured. Anyone that says the Earth is warming or cooling is making shit up. There is no data.
duncan61 wrote:
In my studies today I feel I have a better understanding of Left wing/Democrat and Socialist systems.

You are getting a good bead on it, aye.
duncan61 wrote:
Why will the Media not share the good news about the ice and Polar bears.

They are trying to keep the religion of the Church of Global Warming going. It is part of the socialist agenda to break down industry and get people to trust in government, in order to implement fascism by oligarchy.
duncan61 wrote:
The Hudson bay east population is growing and that is the one that in the 70s was first for the chop?

No polar bears are in for the chop. Polar bear population decreased temporarily in Alaska as the bears moved east into northern Canada, following their food supply. When the count was done again (bears seen in a given area, used to estimate the total bear population), the count was higher in Canada and lower in Alaska.

That's reversed now. Bears have moved back into Alaska. Seems their food supply moved too.


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20-09-2020 19:49
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DRKTS wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
I have just watched your presentation again DRKTS Whats with the funeral music

The music is supplied by YT.

and my brother is working in the Pilbara where you say it is a record high and it is not.


According to the percentiles map, Pilbara was above average (NW Australia?), not record.

Over the last 5 years it has become much more pleasant than before where it can get extremely hot over 50 regularly .Stop lying or meet me at the airport in Port Headland with a thermometer


The numbers came from your own government, not me. I suspect they have weather stations all over that area.


Math error. Bias introduced by location grouping. No published data provided. Failure to select by randN.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
21-09-2020 01:47
duncan61
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The BOM publish incorrect data and have been bought to heel over it.Many concerned citizens are taking their own measurements next to the station and challenging the results.2 examples.A couple are standing next to a station in Thredbo and it is -14.7 and the BOM equipment is calibrated to stop at -10.I have mentioned Amberley a few times where it shows a 1 degree cooling since 1942 and the BOM insist it is plus 1.76




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