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Are We on the Brink of a 'New Little Ice Age? Woods Hole Oceanographic10-02-2021 13:57
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
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https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires
10-02-2021 17:26
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!
10-02-2021 18:00
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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How in the hell do you study the past million years? Time machine? Why even worry about it? Nothing we do is going to change it. Best we can do, is trust in God. The real one, not the Bitcoin-Beggar for those other threads. He'd go away, if Twiddles and Keepit, would quit donating...

We cold periods, and warm periods, every year. It's called seasons. Looks like Florida's cold season is over early year, already 75 F, and should be mid 80s later. Anybody still buried is show?
10-02-2021 19:39
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
How in the hell do you study the past million years? Time machine? Why even worry about it? Nothing we do is going to change it. Best we can do, is trust in God. The real one, not the Bitcoin-Beggar for those other threads. He'd go away, if Twiddles and Keepit, would quit donating...

Good question. It doesn't concern me because I have been called by God to serve in the here and now, not a million years ago. It is still important to know and understand history, so as to not repeat the same mistakes of the past, but the main focus for me is how I can serve in the here and now. I, like you, trust in God. That's why I am not ranting and raving and crying and throwing a temper tantrum because Biden was installed as Prime Minister (rather than Trump being elected for a second term). I trust in God and his ultimate plan for humanity (and the rest of his creation).

HarveyH55 wrote:
We cold periods, and warm periods, every year. It's called seasons. Looks like Florida's cold season is over early year, already 75 F, and should be mid 80s later. Anybody still buried is show?

Yes, the greater Madison WI area is still buried in snow... and you're making me jealous with your mid 70s and higher temps, as it's still single digit highs (and single digit negatives for lows, sometimes double digit negatives) here. However, by the middle of next week our highs are supposed to get into the TEENS!!! YES!!!!!! And then by the weekend following this upcoming one we're supposed to see highs around THIRTY DEGREES!!!! YES!!!!! The things we get excited about here in Wisconsin...
By the 20th, I might even be able to ditch the heavy coat for a light jacket (or a sweatshirt)...
11-02-2021 00:15
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
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gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!


Is it fun being triggered?
11-02-2021 02:40
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!


Is it fun being triggered?

Psychoquackery.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
11-02-2021 04:32
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!


Is it fun being triggered?

Psychoquackery.


Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age.

Wheeeee
11-02-2021 05:27
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age. Wheeeee

Your inability to support your WACKY speculations of the past does not constitute a position on his part. Into the Night did not reject the idea of an ice age; he simply asked you to support your WACKY speculations of the past. As a result, you arched your back and hissed, assigning bogus positions to him in order to deflect from your inability to explain that which you claim is a "fact."

You failed. Attention not deflected. You still have not offered any sort of rational basis for your belief in your WILD speculations of the past. You point to your religious symbols and icons, and then you feel compelled to to treat someone's pet speculation of the past as though it were a falsifiable theory that has somehow survived the scientific method.




A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-02-2021 07:33
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age. Wheeeee

Your inability to support your WACKY speculations of the past does not constitute a position on his part. Into the Night did not reject the idea of an ice age; he simply asked you to support your WACKY speculations of the past. As a result, you arched your back and hissed, assigning bogus positions to him in order to deflect from your inability to explain that which you claim is a "fact."

You failed. Attention not deflected. You still have not offered any sort of rational basis for your belief in your WILD speculations of the past. You point to your religious symbols and icons, and then you feel compelled to to treat someone's pet speculation of the past as though it were a falsifiable theory that has somehow survived the scientific method.



LOL I bought Apple and Google remember?

You bought cigs and beer
11-02-2021 09:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!


Is it fun being triggered?

Psychoquackery.


Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age.

Wheeeee

It is of no consequence. Only YOU are trying to prove a religion.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
11-02-2021 14:14
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-ocean/abrupt-climate-change/are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-new-little-ice-age/

This holy link is your first mistake.

Swan wrote:
When most of us think about Ice Ages, we imagine a slow transition into a colder climate on long time scales. Indeed, studies of the past million years indicate a repeatable cycle of Earth's climate going from warm periods ("interglacial", as we are experiencing now) to glacial conditions.

There is no such thing as "Earth's climate". Earth has a SHIT TON of climates... What if the Earth isn't even a million years old? What if it's only, ummmm, let's say... 6,000 years old, for example?


Studies of the past 6,000 years indicate that you are a ****ing gullible scientifically and logically illiterate moron...

Swan wrote:
The period of these shifts are related to changes in the tilt of Earth's rotational axis (41,000 years), changes in the orientation of Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, called the "precession of the equinoxes" (23,000 years), and to changes in the shape (more round or less round) of the elliptical orbit (100,000 years). The theory that orbital shifts caused the waxing and waning of ice ages was first pointed out by James Croll in the 19th Century and developed more fully by Milutin Milankovitch in 1938.

No science presented here...

Swan wrote:
undefinedundefined Ice age conditions generally occur when all of the above conspire to create a minimum of summer sunlight on the arctic regions of the earth, although the Ice Age cycle is global in nature and occurs in phase in both hemispheres. It profoundly affects distribution of ice over lands and ocean, atmospheric temperatures and circulation, and ocean temperatures and circulation at the surface and at great depth.

Still no science.

Swan wrote:
Since the end of the present interglacial and the slow march to the next Ice Age may be several millennia away, why should we care? In fact, won't the build-up of carbon dioxide (CO²) and other greenhouse gasses possibly ameliorate future changes?

Still no science. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas".

Swan wrote:
Indeed, some groups advocate the benefits of global warming, including the Greening Earth Society and the Subtropical Russia Movement. Some in the latter group even advocate active intervention to accelerate the process, seeing this as an opportunity to turn much of cold, austere northern Russia into a subtropical paradise

So please burn your used tires

I like global warming. More global warming, please!


Is it fun being triggered?

Psychoquackery.


Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age.

Wheeeee

It is of no consequence. Only YOU are trying to prove a religion.


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years
11-02-2021 16:02
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote: What religion?

You worship "Climate" and insist on your religion's dogmatic Creation account, not dissimilar to fundamentalist Christians who worship "God" and insist on their Creation account.

If I were to ask a fundamentalist Christian to unambiguously define "God" and show Him to me, or if I were ask you to unambiguously define "Climate" and show Her to me, all I would get is a circular definition that is incompatible with physics and really LAME excuses as to why I cannot be shown the particular deity.

Let's demonstrate.

Swan, unambiguously define the global Climate and show it to me.

This is the point both fundamentalist Christians and you tell me to "just look around" and claim that I am "denying reality" while desperately trying to change the topic of discussion ... in your case, to the stock market which seems to be your safe space.

Swan wrote: Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

All fundamentalists claim that their religious dogma is "completely natural" and is the Truth.

All fundamentalists avoid science, preferring instead to butcher it (e.g. declare watts and joules to be interchangeable) in order to hammer the square peg of their religion through the round hole of science. They find it better to make the round hole of science square because their religion is sacred and is not to be changed and is not to be questioned.




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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-02-2021 17:05
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Says the fool who does not believe there was an ice age.

Wheeeee

Says the fool who does not believe there was a great global flood.

Wheeeee
11-02-2021 17:08
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.
11-02-2021 18:01
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(9191)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:What religion?
See your very next words.
Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years
This religion.


You have to remember that Swan is totally gullible and has others doing his thinking for him. He was instructed to view his WACKY faith as specifically NOT religion but rather as thettled thienth!

Of course Swan OBEYED. He had no choice; he was bent over furniture and was in no "position" to question anything. At that moment he was probably thinking over and over in his mind "Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting ..."

That is now his reflex action when he becomes confused or when he is forced to relive a particular reaming session, e.g. "Only a moron would claim that velocity isn't volume! Hey, who bought Google shares? You didn't buy Google shares, ha-ha!"

How fundamentalist does one need to be in order to allow oneself to be convinced that "different" means "the same"?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
Edited on 11-02-2021 18:01
11-02-2021 20:02
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
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gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.


So in a world with no religion there can be no climate change.

Dude you need meds
11-02-2021 20:21
James___
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Swan wrote:


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years



What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing. The Little Ice Age came after the Medieval Warm Period. And now we are experiencing the Industrial Warm Period. One ice core researcher used the term "climate ripples" for changes in global temperature during the last ice age.
In another 200 years, they might say that another Little Ice Age is on its way. And then places like Siberia, Alaska and Yukon to Quebec will be much colder. And winter in Moscow (Москва) might be 8 months long with много снек.
The debate used to be how much effect industrialization has on natural climate change.
11-02-2021 21:26
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:What religion?
See your very next words.
Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years
This religion.


You have to remember that Swan is totally gullible and has others doing his thinking for him. He was instructed to view his WACKY faith as specifically NOT religion but rather as thettled thienth!

Damnit... I keep forgetting this... I keep forgetting that his mind is controlled by his MoSM mind masters... I keep trying to reason with one who is completely incapable of doing so... I'M GOING INSANE!!!


IBdaMann wrote:
Of course Swan OBEYED. He had no choice; he was bent over furniture and was in no "position" to question anything. At that moment he was probably thinking over and over in his mind "Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting. Just think of something else. My Google shares are soaring. My Apple stock is splitting ..."

That is now his reflex action when he becomes confused or when he is forced to relive a particular reaming session, e.g. "Only a moron would claim that velocity isn't volume! Hey, who bought Google shares? You didn't buy Google shares, ha-ha!"

How fundamentalist does one need to be in order to allow oneself to be convinced that "different" means "the same"?

.

hahaha this was funny... but yeah, pretty damn fundamentalist for sure. I'm sure he's also convinced that he is a "free thinker"...
11-02-2021 21:27
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.


So in a world with no religion there can be no climate change.

Dude you need meds

Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?
11-02-2021 21:37
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
James___ wrote:
Swan wrote:


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years



What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing.

Why is "what we are currently experiencing", whatever that is, "of concern"?

James___ wrote:
The Little Ice Age came after the Medieval Warm Period.

Did it now? Do you have any other Climate stories to read to me?

James___ wrote:
And now we are experiencing the Industrial Warm Period.

YAY!!! More Climate stories!!!! DO TELL!!!!!

James___ wrote:
One ice core researcher used the term "climate ripples"

WTF are "climate ripples"?? Sounds like an entry into the Lispy Liberal List of Linguistic Lunacy if I ever did hear one!!


James___ wrote:
for changes in global temperature during the last ice age.

Is this "what we know"?

James___ wrote:
In another 200 years, they might say that another Little Ice Age is on its way. And then places like Siberia, Alaska and Yukon to Quebec will be much colder. And winter in Moscow (Москва) might be 8 months long with много снек.

Who is "they"?? Apparently "they" are prophets, eh?

James___ wrote:
The debate used to be how much effect industrialization has on natural climate change.

I love your stories about Climate!! READ ANOTHER ONE!!!!!
11-02-2021 22:39
James___
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(4525)
gfm7175 wrote:
James___ wrote:

What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing.

Why is "what we are currently experiencing", whatever that is, "of concern"?




Just not sure why you post in here if it's of no concern to you. I mean you'll be long dead when the Earth cools again so it doesn't matter to you. To you it's all meaningless drivel.
11-02-2021 23:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
It is of no consequence. Only YOU are trying to prove a religion.


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

Define 'climate change'. What is natural about a buzzword. How do you know this buzzword has been in use for 5 billion years?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
11-02-2021 23:28
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.


So in a world with no religion there can be no climate change.

Dude you need meds

Define 'climate change'. Note that Christianity, Buddhism, Shinoism, islam, or Judaism does not try to define 'climate change'.

Only the Church of Global Warming uses this buzzword.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
11-02-2021 23:36
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.


So in a world with no religion there can be no climate change.

Dude you need meds

Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain
12-02-2021 00:45
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...
12-02-2021 02:48
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(3401)
James___ wrote:
Swan wrote:


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years



What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing. The Little Ice Age came after the Medieval Warm Period. And now we are experiencing the Industrial Warm Period. One ice core researcher used the term "climate ripples" for changes in global temperature during the last ice age.
In another 200 years, they might say that another Little Ice Age is on its way. And then places like Siberia, Alaska and Yukon to Quebec will be much colder. And winter in Moscow (Москва) might be 8 months long with много снек.
The debate used to be how much effect industrialization has on natural climate change.


What difference does it actually make? We've survived the ice before, and many will survive in the future. People are able to migrate, to a more habitable climate, like Florida... There are quite a few surviving a little ice age right now. Nature is self balancing. Nature, isn't all about mankind. Mankind, is just one small, insignificant species, in the grand scheme of things. Some people just like to believe they are important, and all powerful. Science is great for understanding how nature works, and developing technology to improve our chances of surviving nature. I can never be used to change nature. We can't actually effect the balance of nature. We can only see, and plan for a very short span of time, but nature has been at it for a very long time, an continue, long after we are gone.
12-02-2021 02:59
James___
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(4525)
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Swan wrote:


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years



What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing. The Little Ice Age came after the Medieval Warm Period. And now we are experiencing the Industrial Warm Period. One ice core researcher used the term "climate ripples" for changes in global temperature during the last ice age.
In another 200 years, they might say that another Little Ice Age is on its way. And then places like Siberia, Alaska and Yukon to Quebec will be much colder. And winter in Moscow (Москва) might be 8 months long with много снек.
The debate used to be how much effect industrialization has on natural climate change.


What difference does it actually make? We've survived the ice before, and many will survive in the future. People are able to migrate, to a more habitable climate, like Florida... There are quite a few surviving a little ice age right now. Nature is self balancing. Nature, isn't all about mankind. Mankind, is just one small, insignificant species, in the grand scheme of things. Some people just like to believe they are important, and all powerful. Science is great for understanding how nature works, and developing technology to improve our chances of surviving nature. I can never be used to change nature. We can't actually effect the balance of nature. We can only see, and plan for a very short span of time, but nature has been at it for a very long time, an continue, long after we are gone.



For me personally, I happen to like science. That is something that you can't understand. I find things interesting and you don't.
12-02-2021 04:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
What religion?

See your very next words.

Swan wrote:
Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years

This religion.


So in a world with no religion there can be no climate change.

Dude you need meds

Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Your Minstry of Societal Manipulation mindmasters told you to say that???


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
12-02-2021 04:19
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
12-02-2021 05:18
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.

I should be careful... After all, MY avatar (directly depicting MYSELF) is a bird...


I'm surprised that PETA hasn't been advocating for putting masks (and double masks) on animals to "protect" THEM from covid...
12-02-2021 07:35
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(3401)
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
Swan wrote:


What religion? Climate change is natural and has been happening for 5 billion years



What's of concern is what we are currently experiencing. The Little Ice Age came after the Medieval Warm Period. And now we are experiencing the Industrial Warm Period. One ice core researcher used the term "climate ripples" for changes in global temperature during the last ice age.
In another 200 years, they might say that another Little Ice Age is on its way. And then places like Siberia, Alaska and Yukon to Quebec will be much colder. And winter in Moscow (Москва) might be 8 months long with много снек.
The debate used to be how much effect industrialization has on natural climate change.


What difference does it actually make? We've survived the ice before, and many will survive in the future. People are able to migrate, to a more habitable climate, like Florida... There are quite a few surviving a little ice age right now. Nature is self balancing. Nature, isn't all about mankind. Mankind, is just one small, insignificant species, in the grand scheme of things. Some people just like to believe they are important, and all powerful. Science is great for understanding how nature works, and developing technology to improve our chances of surviving nature. I can never be used to change nature. We can't actually effect the balance of nature. We can only see, and plan for a very short span of time, but nature has been at it for a very long time, an continue, long after we are gone.



For me personally, I happen to like science. That is something that you can't understand. I find things interesting and you don't.


I enjoy and understand science just fine. I just don't get into the philosophical sciences, like climatology. I just don't share the same narrow focus, and can see beyond the ozone hole...
12-02-2021 12:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
gfm7175 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.

I should be careful... After all, MY avatar (directly depicting MYSELF) is a bird...


I'm surprised that PETA hasn't been advocating for putting masks (and double masks) on animals to "protect" THEM from covid...


They have. Guess you're not surprised...right?


Imagine putting a mask on a cat!


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
Edited on 12-02-2021 12:35
12-02-2021 13:55
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...


Only a birdbrain would declare that the last ice age was not real and is the product of religion and not science.

130
12-02-2021 13:57
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.


PETA loves me as we are on the same page with respect to chinks cooking dogs alive.

130
12-02-2021 16:19
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.

I should be careful... After all, MY avatar (directly depicting MYSELF) is a bird...


I'm surprised that PETA hasn't been advocating for putting masks (and double masks) on animals to "protect" THEM from covid...


They have. Guess you're not surprised...right?


Imagine putting a mask on a cat!

I hope it scratches the piss out of whoever attempts to do such a thing... Sounds like PETA wishes to abuse animals... interesting...
12-02-2021 16:46
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(2107)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...


Only a birdbrain would declare that the last ice age was not real

Nobody here has made any such declaration... try to keep up.

Swan wrote:
and is the product of religion and not science.

I realize that your MoSM mindmasters tell you to believe that your religious beliefs are science, but any rational free thinker realizes that your religious beliefs are, well, religious beliefs.

Swan wrote:
130

260?
12-02-2021 23:16
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.


PETA loves me as we are on the same page with respect to chinks cooking dogs alive.

130


I must assume you don't like hot dogs.
360


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
13-02-2021 01:41
SwanProfile picture★★★☆☆
(569)
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.


PETA loves me as we are on the same page with respect to chinks cooking dogs alive.

130


I must assume you don't like hot dogs.
360


Remember that when Biden serves live cooked dog at the white house along with live raw monkey brains
13-02-2021 02:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15562)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Is this what your Ministry of Societal Manipulation mind masters told you to say?


Are you a birdbrain

Only a birdbrain would ask such a question...

Are you trying to be offensive against birds? I'm telling PETA.


PETA loves me as we are on the same page with respect to chinks cooking dogs alive.

130


I must assume you don't like hot dogs.
360


Remember that when Biden serves live cooked dog at the white house along with live raw monkey brains

Served monkey brains and cooked dogs are not live.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
13-02-2021 12:38
Xadoman
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(481)
Swan, could you explain how in your opinion the ice age starts. What triggers it or what needs to happen that the ice age would start. I just can not understand it. You mentioned that the change of the axial tilt of the rotational axis causes something. You said it somehow creates favorable conditions for an ice to form on lakes and rivers. I can not see how. I just can not see how that could have an effect on the overall temperature.
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