Anecdote or coincidence or what?

tmiddles wrote:Over and over again they claim the 2nd LTD means radiance from a cooler body cannot be absorbed by a warmer one.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

keepit wrote:the skin gets down to the ambient temp

...No skin is about 91F in a 70F room. ...

What you fail to grasp, is that skin temperature is independent of body temperature.

Not exactly. It's determined by body temperature but your skin is cooler than your heart sure. Of course your body regulates your temperature as it metabolizes the food you've eaten. You are almost always in an environment cooler than you are so it's making up the difference.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I really don't get the obsession,

Then let me explain:
This board has been shut down for 5 years by ITN/IBD insisting that you can't defy the 2nd LTD with a cooler gas having any effect on the temperature of a warmer surface. That not only is the greenhouse effect impossible but that an atmosphere has not effect at all on a planets temperature:

IBdaMann wrote:
Atmosphere has no effect on the overall total body emission or the overall average body temperature.

Into the Night wrote:

keepit wrote:
CO2 absorbtion of surface infrared ...heats the atmosphere. Surface cools but CO2 warms. No energy lost. then CO2 radiates back to the earth. Meanwhille, back at the ranch, the sun keeps pouring heat in. Temp goes up.

CO2 cannot in turn heat the already warmer surface.
You are again ignoring the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Over and over again they claim the 2nd LTD means radiance from a cooler body cannot be absorbed by a warmer one. It is the principle argument on this forum for why we cannot talk about "Global Warming".
So don't be confused about why I think it's important.
Why is the example of you right now in the room your in right now proving them wrong? Because it's repeatable, couldn't be more relateable, and proves their weird take on the 2nd LTD dead wrong.

HarveyH55 wrote:The incidence of a slightly cooler body, warming an already warmer body, just doesn't make any sense.

Let me ask you Harvey:
Do you believe the walls around you are radiating? That infra red radiance is shining off them toward you and the infra-red radiation is hitting you?
Do you believe it's being absorbed by your body?

IBdaMann wrote:
present one repeatable example of something.

HarveyH55 wrote:
No, I'm not buying any of that metaphysics stuff. ..... Really would make any difference what the walls are emitting, since it's weaker than what the warm body is shedding.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
present one repeatable example of something.

You're just goofing off. You have yet to explain why you don't consider human radiance in a room not repeatable. Blah blah blah
You are disproven in every textbook and here:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference

HarveyH55 wrote:
No, I'm not buying any of that metaphysics stuff. ..... Really would make any difference what the walls are emitting, since it's weaker than what the warm body is shedding.

With this example you've just ignored everything I've said from the beginning Harvey. No one has responded with any answer to how the calculation should be done (if they think I did it wrong). And I'll remind you it's just an example from a college physics text book. It proves this board is the victim of fraud by ITN/IBD.