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An example of "Hot" Attracting "Cold"


An example of "Hot" Attracting "Cold"08-09-2020 21:13
James___
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Yep, In Denver, Co., it went from 90º F. one day to 34º F. the next day. Both temperatures were for 11:53 am. A couple of days before that, it was 100º F.
It seems that a high pressure system attracted a low pressure system. Kind of shows the complexities of considering the laws of thermodynamics.

https://news.yahoo.com/winter-wonderland-arrives-rockies-three-160113491.html

This suggests that if we consider a system, then the system can dictate thermodynamics. But if there is no system, then an equilibrium will be sought.
But who considers a system?
Edited on 08-09-2020 21:56
08-09-2020 22:45
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Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.
08-09-2020 23:04
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?
08-09-2020 23:41
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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WTF are you talking about?!

What likely happened in your Denver scenario was this...

Strong- low pressure West of Denver was drawing air towards its center from all directions in a counterclockwise flow. This would create a south/ southeast flow across Denver, likely from a New Mexico/west Texas region. There's your hot day. The low moves east of Denver(and likely strengthening)the flow becomes north and northwest. This air is likely from a Canadian origin and very cold. There's your cold day(probably several). Cold air easily displaces warm air at the surface.

It has much more to do with incoming air masses that have already been heated or cooled somewhere else than convection or conduction.
09-09-2020 02:36
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...
09-09-2020 02:47
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...



Sadly Harvey, you're missing how cool our planet really is. Maybe the coriolis effect drew the cold air south?
09-09-2020 05:41
James___
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This explains how something moving north will actually move northeast. Kind of like why cold air from Canada is drawn into the Denver, Colorado. And yes, it is the coriolis effect.
Did I say I like being right? It does feel good.

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/coriolis-effect/
09-09-2020 08:46
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...



Sadly Harvey, you're missing how cool our planet really is. Maybe the coriolis effect drew the cold air south?

Why would it?


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09-09-2020 08:48
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James___ wrote:
This explains how something moving north will actually move northeast. Kind of like why cold air from Canada is drawn into the Denver, Colorado. And yes, it is the coriolis effect.
Did I say I like being right? It does feel good.

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/coriolis-effect/


Nope. Not coriolis. You are not right.


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11-09-2020 04:54
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

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11-09-2020 05:21
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

.



GasGuzzler doesn't get it. The cold arctic air is drawn south by the warmer gulf air circulating over the American southeast. Just another typical weather phenomena.
11-09-2020 05:33
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

.



GasGuzzler doesn't get it. The cold arctic air is drawn south by the warmer gulf air circulating over the American southeast. Just another typical weather phenomena.

Dumbass.



All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
11-09-2020 07:02
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

.



GasGuzzler doesn't get it. The cold arctic air is drawn south by the warmer gulf air circulating over the American southeast. Just another typical weather phenomena.

Dumbass.



I'll give you an easy out on this GasGuzzler because you're an American.
The coriolis effect draws cold arctic air towards the equator. That effect increases wind speeds which also influences hurricanes. It's a "freebie" for you. Enjoy.
11-09-2020 18:10
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

.



GasGuzzler doesn't get it. The cold arctic air is drawn south by the warmer gulf air circulating over the American southeast. Just another typical weather phenomena.

Dumbass.



I'll give you an easy out on this GasGuzzler because you're an American.
The coriolis effect draws cold arctic air towards the equator. That effect increases wind speeds which also influences hurricanes. It's a "freebie" for you. Enjoy.


Think you got it backward. Warm air has more thermal energy...
11-09-2020 20:10
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on Dumbass,
That's like dumping cold water in hot water and saying the cold water was attracted to the hot and the thermodynamics are a real head scratcher.


So you're saying that gravity moved the cold air into the warm air at a higher elevation?


No, the Norwegian Jet Steam blew cold, arctic air, down south...


That brings back memories of the good-'ol LightSong days.


I wonder what he's up to.

.



GasGuzzler doesn't get it. The cold arctic air is drawn south by the warmer gulf air circulating over the American southeast. Just another typical weather phenomena.

Dumbass.



I'll give you an easy out on this GasGuzzler because you're an American.
The coriolis effect draws cold arctic air towards the equator. That effect increases wind speeds which also influences hurricanes. It's a "freebie" for you. Enjoy.

Nope. Cold air may not even be drawn down. Coriolis has nothing to do with whether is it drawn southward by a passing storm.


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