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2 forces21-11-2020 22:22
keepit
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Two forces are potentially going to wreak havoc in the economy.
#1 - the general economic damage from covid could be more difficult to recover from than is commonly thought.
#2 - the wealth concentration in the hands of the richest might be getting to be similar to 1929 which caused the less fortunate to be unable to buy things which led to the rich people being unable to make a profit off the less fortunate.

Watch out!
21-11-2020 22:39
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
#2 - the wealth concentration in the hands of the richest might be getting to be similar to 1929 which caused the less fortunate to be unable to buy things which led to the rich people being unable to make a profit off the less fortunate.


Although I don't agree with your premise in #2, what do you think is the fix? Would it help if both groups only worked 1/2 as much and only bought 1/2 the amount of stuff?


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
21-11-2020 22:43
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keepit wrote: Two forces are potentially going to wreak havoc in the economy.

This is going to be stupid.

keepit wrote:#1 - the general economic damage from covid could be more difficult to recover from than is commonly thought.

COVID is doing no damage. All the damage to the economy is completely deliberate by Leftists in positions of authority. They are gleeful to destroy the economy because it gives them a power rush.

keepit wrote:#2 - the wealth concentration in the hands of the richest might be getting to be similar to 1929 which caused the less fortunate to be unable to buy things which led to the rich people being unable to make a profit off the less fortunate.

Your Marxism is showing. If I come into some quantity of money today that it somehow becomes an injury to you. That's stupid. You never did have any economics sense.

It doesn't matter how much wealth any partiicular person has. It does not cause others to suffer. Your Marxist belief that wealth is somehow "distributed" instead of being "earned" makes all of your thoughts on economics a total waste of everyone's time.

(note: yes, a "concentration" is just another way of referring to "the distribution" which denies economics and denies human nature just like all the other dumbf-ukk Marxists)

keepit wrote:Watch out!

Wow, you are gratuitously hyping up fear and panic based on one or more of your complete misunderstandings. What a surprise. I never would have guessed.

Shouldn't you be praying to Climate about now?

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21-11-2020 22:56
HarveyH55
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Obviously, covid is a cold virus, being over-hyped, to facilitate more government control over the wealth of the world. Obviously, the vaccines will work perfectly, and mankind will be saved. World leaders, will pick up the tab, for most of the economic damage, least the parts they can leverage some control. Most business and institutions, will get bailout bucks, but expected to pay it all back, with interest. Not a problem, since the people, will have relief money to spend, and get caught up on the bills, the government already paid off with the lenders... Of course, all this government generosity, justified raising taxes... Governments, will also be positioned to buy/bailout failed/failing businesses and industries. Government gets more control over wealth, and how it gets spent. The control jobs. And a lot of people are stuck with dead-end jobs, and dependent on government assistance, because taxes and cost of living is crippling. Both Clinton and Obama ran similar scams with their bailout packages.
22-11-2020 00:15
keepit
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IBD,
More foul talk rather something constructive. What's wrong with you?
22-11-2020 01:08
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
IBD,
More foul talk rather something constructive. What's wrong with you?

You've got something against wealthy people. What's wrong with YOU?!


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
22-11-2020 01:47
keepit
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Gas, I admit, i think there's too much wealth residing with the rich people.
You're not rich. Why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?
22-11-2020 03:06
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keepit wrote:
Gas, I admit, i think there's too much wealth residing with the rich people.
You're not rich. Why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?

Because that would be STEALING from others, and STEALING is IMMORAL.
22-11-2020 03:25
keepit
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I call it taxation. The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.
You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?
22-11-2020 04:23
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
I call it taxation. The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.
You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


It's a man thing... A man prefers to earn what he owns. Gives us a sense of accomplishment. Gives a goal to work towards. Everything we have, has the value, of the work we put into earning it. Handouts have little lasting value, and aren't really appreciated.

You really have some twisted views on wealth. There are very few people or companies, considered wealthy, who actually have a wallet stuffed full of cash. Most of the money is in what they own, the businesses, that produce the wealth. Most put their profits, back into those businesses, to keep them profitable, and growing. Taxes, are just one of many operating costs, that come out of the profits earned. Higher taxes, reduce profits, and less left to go back into the business. That usually impacts the employees the most. They don't get the raises, bonuses or perks, which are usually low priority. But, they would be happier to continue to have a job, rather than get a big raise, and a pink slip a month later. A business needs to be maintained, upgrade, equipment replace, sufficiently staffed. Less profits, means less money for other things, that employees depend on, to do their jobs, with fewer hassles.

I get paid generously for the work I do, no complaints at all. If it didn't fit my needs, and expectations, I would have look for a different job, or sought advancement in the company I work for. I don't have to search through newspapers, for a cat food, 3 cans for a dollar coupon, and I actually have two cats. Unlike some coupon clippers, who need to spend less...

Wealth, isn't really a dollar value, it's more a measure of a man's accomplishments, what he built. Most men don't want to be cared for like a pet, or a child. We have this thing called pride. Although democrats seem to be proud of being parasites on society...
22-11-2020 04:29
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

Taxation IS theft by definition.
The taking of one's belongings by force or threat.

keepit wrote: The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

WRONG!! The business owner offered money in return for work or service and the worker AGREED to it. BOTH parties profit from it. If you don't like being on the "worker" end of this arrangement, try being the business owner. You'll find it ain't easy and you'll do more work than you ever imagined. You'd better love what you're doing because you'll be married to it for years.

keepit wrote: You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


Something tells me old gfm does quite alright for himself. Something else tells me that money is not the center focus of his life and there are far more important things to live for. TOTALLY guessing here....



All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
Edited on 22-11-2020 04:31
22-11-2020 04:34
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
Gas, I admit, i think there's too much wealth residing with the rich people.
You're not rich. Why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


...and I thought there were too many A's given out in school. Those people should have given me some A's to balance out my F's. Shouldn't everyone in school have a C average?


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
Edited on 22-11-2020 04:37
22-11-2020 05:28
keepit
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Rather than quibble about the many things you say which i disagree with, let me ask you how the govt would provides services (police, fire, education, national defense, heath care, etc. etc.) without collecting taxes?
This issue is so obvious i'm surprised you argue about it. I suppose there doesn't need to be taxes if the govt just continually prints enough money to pay for these services.

Most people have decided long ago that these services should be handled by the govt.

Taxation isn't theft by definition. What dictionary are you using?
Edited on 22-11-2020 05:29
22-11-2020 05:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
IBD,
More foul talk rather something constructive. What's wrong with you?


You completely ignored what he said that was constructive. What's wrong with you?


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22-11-2020 05:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Gas, I admit, i think there's too much wealth residing with the rich people.
You're not rich. Why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?

It's theft. I don't condone theft.


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22-11-2020 05:33
keepit
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ITN,
The foul talk spoils the soup, not that i agree with anything he says.

And who says taxation is theft other than you and a very few others?
Edited on 22-11-2020 05:34
22-11-2020 05:39
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Rather than quibble about the many things you say which i disagree with, let me ask you how the govt would provides services (police, fire, education, national defense, heath care, etc. etc.) without collecting taxes?

Self defense is already a right of the people. Police and security forces can be privatized.

Fire fighting is also a form of self defense. Fire fighting can be privatized or simply a voluntary organization.

Government has no business educating anyone. People can easily hire their own instructors and set their own curriculum.

Self defense is already a right of the people. That includes national defense.

Government has no business in health care. People decide what health care they are willing to pay for, and what insurance they are willing to pay for, if any.

NONE of the services you mentioned are required to be performed by government.

keepit wrote:
This issue is so obvious i'm surprised you argue about it.

Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
keepit wrote:
I suppose there doesn't need to be taxes if the govt just continually prints enough money to pay for these services.

Cash crash.
keepit wrote:
Most people have decided long ago that these services should be handled by the govt.

You don't get to speak for most people. You only get to speak for you.
keepit wrote:
Taxation isn't theft by definition.

Yes it is. Government produces no wealth. It must steal it to function.
keepit wrote:
What dictionary are you using?

No dictionary defines any word. False authority fallacy.


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22-11-2020 05:44
keepit
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Privatizing is inefficient. ITN, do you have to sound like a broken record all the time?
22-11-2020 05:47
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
Privatizing is inefficient. ITN, do you have to sound like a broken record all the time?


HAJAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Name one thing the gov does more efficiently than the private sector.

The gov is FUL of waste!

Say something intelligent please!


All the time the base and surface are at equal temperature as the equilibrium graduates to establish the temperature development--Pete Rogers
22-11-2020 05:48
GasGuzzlerProfile picture★★★★☆
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Gov isn't required to turn a profit. They have no clue what efficiency is!!!
22-11-2020 05:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
ITN,
The foul talk spoils the soup, not that i agree with anything he says.

Kettle logic fallacy.
keepit wrote:
And who says taxation is theft other than you and a very few others?

RQAA.


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22-11-2020 05:50
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Privatizing is inefficient. ITN, do you have to sound like a broken record all the time?

It is more efficient. You are sounding like a broken record. Socialism doesn't work, dude.


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22-11-2020 05:51
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
Privatizing is inefficient. ITN, do you have to sound like a broken record all the time?


HAJAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Name one thing the gov does more efficiently than the private sector.

The gov is FUL of waste!

Say something intelligent please!

Bingo.


The Parrot Killer

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22-11-2020 05:56
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Gov isn't required to turn a profit. They have no clue what efficiency is!!!


Bingo.

The success metric of any private business is turning a profit. If they fail to do so (for long enough) they go out of business. They are unproductive. Someone more competent will come along and provide for that market.

Government makes no profit. EVERYTHING that government does comes from taking from the producers of a society, either directly in the form of taxes, or indirectly in the form of going into debt or just printing funny money with no increase in wealth in society.

Taxes is taking from producers of a society by force. It is theft.

Government has a different success metric. Since it can't turn a profit, it must use something different to succeed, expand, and grow. That success metric in government is by justifying itself as a 'problem solver', even if that 'problem' is a manufactured one (by government!).


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22-11-2020 20:07
HarveyH55
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Taxation, became theft, when the government started passing it out to their special friends. Taxes were needed to pay for services available to every American, and deemed necessary. There have been emergency, crisis, where some of those tax dollars were handed out, to get a lot of people past the crisis/emergency. Those hand outs never stopped flowing, after the threat had passed. Mostly, because hand outs, buy votes. The federal government has turned into a giant charity, and use taxation, as forced 'donations' to every cause, they feel worthy.

Public education isn't a right, and should be handled entirely on a local level. Parents can educated their own children, if needed. Insurance, is a personal choice. I chose to buy the bare minimum required by law. Probably wouldn't buy any, if given the choice. The health insurance offered by my employer was a good deal, until ObamaCare... A lot of the welfare, bailout, subsidies, should be handled locally. People's success or failure should be left entirely up to them. The handouts, and freebies, is what is destroying the country, the moral decay. People don't rely on family, friends, neighbor, community, when they get everything they want and need, free from the government. There is no obligation to be on good terms with anyone, or even socialize. No reason to follow the laws, or behave in a moral, or ethical fashion, since it doesn't matter how others around you view your choices. Doesn't matter if it's offensive, or disgusting to most everyone else around you, since you don't need them, the government provides, and they don't see.

Failure, is just one of life's lessons. We try, we fail to get the results we hoped for, we try to figure out what went wrong, and do better. Business fail, people fail. No reason to figure out why they fail, if they continue to get bailed out. They will continue to fail, and need assistance. When a business fails, it opens an operatunity for other people to step in, to fill that demand, and hopeful correct what went wrong, and do better, than the past failed business.
22-11-2020 21:09
keepit
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Anyone who doesn't like the taxation system has my permission to leave the country.
23-11-2020 00:02
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
Anyone who doesn't like the taxation system has my permission to leave the country.


Thanks, but there a lot more people willing to change the tax system, than there are people leaching off it...
23-11-2020 00:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Anyone who doesn't like the taxation system has my permission to leave the country.

Nah. We'll stay and fix it.


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23-11-2020 01:08
keepit
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Sounds good.
I thought you were down with the whole idea of taxation.
23-11-2020 16:40
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

I call it theft. I call it by what it actually is.

keepit wrote:
The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

LIE. The "poor worker" voluntarily and mutually agreed to exchange a particular amount of his time for a particular wage. A mutual agreement is not theft.

keepit wrote:
You aren't rich gfm,

"rich" is a subjective term. You don't know how much I make, and what I make is my own business. But, to use entirely subjective terminology, I am not at all "poor" by any means, but I am also not at all "rich" by any means... IOW, God has blessed me with enough to get by, and I thank him for that.

keepit wrote:
why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?

Because it is theft and theft is immoral. RQAA.

I can make my own living while doing the LORD's work. I don't need others to subsidize me, and I don't need to thieve from others to get by.
Edited on 23-11-2020 16:43
23-11-2020 16:45
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:
keepit wrote:
I call it taxation. The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.
You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


It's a man thing... A man prefers to earn what he owns. Gives us a sense of accomplishment. Gives a goal to work towards. Everything we have, has the value, of the work we put into earning it. Handouts have little lasting value, and aren't really appreciated.

You really have some twisted views on wealth. There are very few people or companies, considered wealthy, who actually have a wallet stuffed full of cash. Most of the money is in what they own, the businesses, that produce the wealth. Most put their profits, back into those businesses, to keep them profitable, and growing. Taxes, are just one of many operating costs, that come out of the profits earned. Higher taxes, reduce profits, and less left to go back into the business. That usually impacts the employees the most. They don't get the raises, bonuses or perks, which are usually low priority. But, they would be happier to continue to have a job, rather than get a big raise, and a pink slip a month later. A business needs to be maintained, upgrade, equipment replace, sufficiently staffed. Less profits, means less money for other things, that employees depend on, to do their jobs, with fewer hassles.

I get paid generously for the work I do, no complaints at all. If it didn't fit my needs, and expectations, I would have look for a different job, or sought advancement in the company I work for. I don't have to search through newspapers, for a cat food, 3 cans for a dollar coupon, and I actually have two cats. Unlike some coupon clippers, who need to spend less...

Wealth, isn't really a dollar value, it's more a measure of a man's accomplishments, what he built. Most men don't want to be cared for like a pet, or a child. We have this thing called pride. Although democrats seem to be proud of being parasites on society...

Well stated!
23-11-2020 17:03
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

Taxation IS theft by definition.
The taking of one's belongings by force or threat.

keepit wrote: The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

WRONG!! The business owner offered money in return for work or service and the worker AGREED to it. BOTH parties profit from it. If you don't like being on the "worker" end of this arrangement, try being the business owner. You'll find it ain't easy and you'll do more work than you ever imagined. You'd better love what you're doing because you'll be married to it for years.

Well stated!

GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote: You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


Something tells me old gfm does quite alright for himself. Something else tells me that money is not the center focus of his life and there are far more important things to live for. TOTALLY guessing here....

Indeed. While "rich" and "poor" are subjective terms, I consider myself neither rich nor poor. I don't make six figures, nor is that a desire of mine, but I do have enough to get by, and I am thankful for what the LORD has blessed me with. You would be correct with your guess that money is not at all a central focus of my life.
23-11-2020 19:17
James___
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And yet Trump is always playing golf. Do you know what's funny gasguzzler? When I lived in the Puget Sound area of Washington State, I rented a basement apartment from a pizzaria manager.
The owners of that small chain didn't work all of the time. Their manager who was salaried did. One day he decided to figure out what his hourly would be. He found out that my hourly salary without over time was about 160% of his hourly wage.
As for the owners of the pizzaria, their custom helicopter was featured on a national TV show because of its paint job. It's so realistic that the fire department has responded to emergency calls and thought it was on fire when they saw it. The show it was on was about the guy who does that type oaint job for a living.
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Edited on 23-11-2020 19:19
23-11-2020 19:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Sounds good.
I thought you were down with the whole idea of taxation.


When it's used to steal from the productive and to give to the unproductive, absolutely.
When it's taken without consent of the people being taxed, absolutely.


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23-11-2020 20:12
HarveyH55
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gfm7175 wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

Taxation IS theft by definition.
The taking of one's belongings by force or threat.

keepit wrote: The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

WRONG!! The business owner offered money in return for work or service and the worker AGREED to it. BOTH parties profit from it. If you don't like being on the "worker" end of this arrangement, try being the business owner. You'll find it ain't easy and you'll do more work than you ever imagined. You'd better love what you're doing because you'll be married to it for years.

Well stated!

GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote: You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


Something tells me old gfm does quite alright for himself. Something else tells me that money is not the center focus of his life and there are far more important things to live for. TOTALLY guessing here....

Indeed. While "rich" and "poor" are subjective terms, I consider myself neither rich nor poor. I don't make six figures, nor is that a desire of mine, but I do have enough to get by, and I am thankful for what the LORD has blessed me with. You would be correct with your guess that money is not at all a central focus of my life.


Being 'rich', money wise, brings a lot of stress, worries, and responsibilities. I suppose, if you are rich enough, you can pay someone to deal with negative stuff. You still worry about holding on to your money, or source of wealth. Being poor, is worrisome as well, since you need the basics, just to survive. I'm in the middle some place. I earn a little more than I use every month, and can buy a lot of what I want. I keep my wants in check, and stick to stuff I'll actually use, and get good value, for what I pay.
23-11-2020 21:38
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HarveyH55 wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

Taxation IS theft by definition.
The taking of one's belongings by force or threat.

keepit wrote: The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

WRONG!! The business owner offered money in return for work or service and the worker AGREED to it. BOTH parties profit from it. If you don't like being on the "worker" end of this arrangement, try being the business owner. You'll find it ain't easy and you'll do more work than you ever imagined. You'd better love what you're doing because you'll be married to it for years.

Well stated!

GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote: You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


Something tells me old gfm does quite alright for himself. Something else tells me that money is not the center focus of his life and there are far more important things to live for. TOTALLY guessing here....

Indeed. While "rich" and "poor" are subjective terms, I consider myself neither rich nor poor. I don't make six figures, nor is that a desire of mine, but I do have enough to get by, and I am thankful for what the LORD has blessed me with. You would be correct with your guess that money is not at all a central focus of my life.


Being 'rich', money wise, brings a lot of stress, worries, and responsibilities. I suppose, if you are rich enough, you can pay someone to deal with negative stuff. You still worry about holding on to your money, or source of wealth. Being poor, is worrisome as well, since you need the basics, just to survive. I'm in the middle some place. I earn a little more than I use every month, and can buy a lot of what I want. I keep my wants in check, and stick to stuff I'll actually use, and get good value, for what I pay.

Indeed. I'm similar to you in that regard. I don't have the stresses than can build up inside of someone with regard to being "rich" or "poor". I also trust in the LORD's plan for me, wherever it may lead me.
23-11-2020 23:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote:
I call it taxation.

Taxation IS theft by definition.
The taking of one's belongings by force or threat.

keepit wrote: The rich have stolen the time of the poor worker to make a profit for themselves.

WRONG!! The business owner offered money in return for work or service and the worker AGREED to it. BOTH parties profit from it. If you don't like being on the "worker" end of this arrangement, try being the business owner. You'll find it ain't easy and you'll do more work than you ever imagined. You'd better love what you're doing because you'll be married to it for years.

Well stated!

GasGuzzler wrote:
keepit wrote: You aren't rich gfm, why don't you want a modicum of wealth redistribution?


Something tells me old gfm does quite alright for himself. Something else tells me that money is not the center focus of his life and there are far more important things to live for. TOTALLY guessing here....

Indeed. While "rich" and "poor" are subjective terms, I consider myself neither rich nor poor. I don't make six figures, nor is that a desire of mine, but I do have enough to get by, and I am thankful for what the LORD has blessed me with. You would be correct with your guess that money is not at all a central focus of my life.


Being 'rich', money wise, brings a lot of stress, worries, and responsibilities. I suppose, if you are rich enough, you can pay someone to deal with negative stuff. You still worry about holding on to your money, or source of wealth. Being poor, is worrisome as well, since you need the basics, just to survive. I'm in the middle some place. I earn a little more than I use every month, and can buy a lot of what I want. I keep my wants in check, and stick to stuff I'll actually use, and get good value, for what I pay.

You can certainly worry and stress about being rich, poor, or just somewhere in between.

But you don't have to.


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