| Desertphile | Where the 97% consensus among scientists comes from |
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Posted on 15-02-2011 22:00 |
See, for a summary, the following web page:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm
Several surveys have been done on the subject of the acceptance among scientists about global climate change and humanity's role in global warming. Each survey consistently around 97% consensus among the scientists studying climate and climate change.
Another summary is found here:
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html
"A new poll among 3,146 earth scientists found that 90 percent believe (sic) global warming is real, while 82 percent agree that human activity (has) been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures."
This was among American scientists, out of 85 countries that have science organizations studying climate.
"...climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role."
Other surveys showed the same thing: close to 100% consensus among scientists. Such as:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract
"Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of Anthropogenic Climate Change are substantially below that of the convinced researchers."
And yet another survey:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full
"The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position."
There are over 550 science organizations in the world, in 85 countries, that are studying climate and related science venues. None of them have stated they reject the scientists' consensus opinion regarding climate change and humanity's role in global warming.
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| Hayduke | RE: 97% Consensus |
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Posted on 15-02-2011 22:33 |
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See http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/09/97-consensus-plummets-to-347.html for a thorough refutation of the "97% Consensus" claim.
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| Hayduke | RE: Rebuttal to 97% consensus claim |
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Location: Santa Cruz, California
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Posted on 16-02-2011 17:45 |
Here is the definitive rebuttal - rather than 97% of all scientists, it's really 75 anonymous researchers!
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/30/lawrence-solomon-75-climate-scientists-think-humans-contribute-to-global-warming/
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| hotair | RE: Where the 97% consensus among scientists comes from |
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Posted on 12-05-2011 06:29 |
Hayduke: I strictly stay away from political pages. Usually they are propaganda, and more than frequently they mislead and distract.
If its full of inflammatory or derisive language, its probably not good.
I avoid both greens and skeptics for this reason.
The closest you get to real proper science is published papers. Peer reviewed is the real deal. That's where the 97% consensus comes from. Published papers.
If a different means of measurement is desired well... I'm sure Exxon would like this opened up to any old blogger. (Then we'd have misleading statements made like so; http://www.climate-debate.com/forum/fast-recovery-of-thick-arctic-ice-d6-e19.php )
Compare your posts about the hockey stick.. and real data from environment Canada.
http://www.ec.gc.ca/adsc-cmda/default.asp?lang=En&n=77842065-1
Now look at how the sea Ice is changing.
http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2010/10/sea_ice_extent_animation_updated_fo.html
http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html
I'd take everything on that hockeyschtick blog and toss it on this actual evidence alone. Facts and actual measurements completely disagree with what its saying.
Edited by hotair on 12-05-2011 06:31 |
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