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What's wrong with a big of warming?07-02-2019 19:29
Tai Hai Chen
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Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
07-02-2019 22:50
Into the Night
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?


None, obviously.


The Parrot Killer
08-02-2019 11:15
Tim the plumber
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?


Yep.

If anybody can actually explain any trouble, in their own words, with support from some sort of science to explain the mechanism for this bad thing fire away.
08-02-2019 17:44
gfm7175
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(151)
Exactly... There is no problem; there is no crisis. Increased CO2 levels in the future wouldn't negatively affect us...
08-02-2019 20:38
Wake
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.
09-02-2019 00:07
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?

As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, Wake.
Wake wrote:
why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Arctic or Antarctic, Wake.
Wake wrote:
There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA.
Yup. They are publishing random numbers and calling it 'data', just like YOU do.
Wake wrote:
Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars.

So it goes.
Wake wrote:
These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation
Do you think Nancy Pelosi is going to go for it? How about the other Democrats?
Wake wrote:
and the likes of the leadership
Do you see ANY leadership coming out of either Pelosi or the Democrats? These twits still have been unable to pass an acceptable budget bill.
Wake wrote:
forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.

Interrogating people until they break or accidentally mess up on some detail is not going to give you admissible evidence, Wake. You really should pay attention to the Mueller probe and how it is being conducted.


The Parrot Killer
09-02-2019 01:25
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?

As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, Wake.
Wake wrote:
why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Arctic or Antarctic, Wake.
Wake wrote:
There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA.
Yup. They are publishing random numbers and calling it 'data', just like YOU do.
Wake wrote:
Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars.

So it goes.
Wake wrote:
These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation
Do you think Nancy Pelosi is going to go for it? How about the other Democrats?
Wake wrote:
and the likes of the leadership
Do you see ANY leadership coming out of either Pelosi or the Democrats? These twits still have been unable to pass an acceptable budget bill.
Wake wrote:
forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.

Interrogating people until they break or accidentally mess up on some detail is not going to give you admissible evidence, Wake. You really should pay attention to the Mueller probe and how it is being conducted.
I'm not in the least surprised to see you denying almost the whole of science. You and your alter-ego are the sole supports of non-science on this site. While some of the others don't understand science you simply deny that there is any such thing.
09-02-2019 08:14
HarveyH55
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Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.
09-02-2019 17:41
Wake
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.
09-02-2019 20:11
Into the Night
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(7175)
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?

As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, Wake.
Wake wrote:
why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Arctic or Antarctic, Wake.
Wake wrote:
There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA.
Yup. They are publishing random numbers and calling it 'data', just like YOU do.
Wake wrote:
Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars.

So it goes.
Wake wrote:
These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation
Do you think Nancy Pelosi is going to go for it? How about the other Democrats?
Wake wrote:
and the likes of the leadership
Do you see ANY leadership coming out of either Pelosi or the Democrats? These twits still have been unable to pass an acceptable budget bill.
Wake wrote:
forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.

Interrogating people until they break or accidentally mess up on some detail is not going to give you admissible evidence, Wake. You really should pay attention to the Mueller probe and how it is being conducted.
I'm not in the least surprised to see you denying almost the whole of science. You and your alter-ego are the sole supports of non-science on this site. While some of the others don't understand science you simply deny that there is any such thing.

Inversion fallacy. Divisional error fallacy. Why do you deny the Stefan-Boltzmann law, Wake?


The Parrot Killer
09-02-2019 20:15
Into the Night
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(7175)
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.


The Parrot Killer
10-02-2019 23:53
Wake
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(3956)
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.
11-02-2019 00:52
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.


The Parrot Killer
11-02-2019 01:07
Wake
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(3956)
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.
11-02-2019 01:17
gfm7175
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(151)
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
11-02-2019 01:32
Into the Night
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(7175)
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...

Works for any dog. That's what folks that train animals for the movies do too. They can get those dogs to do some amazing stuff, and on cue. Those dogs are happy, love to perform, and love their trainers. They never beat an animal. That just makes it fearful and vicious.

Even police dogs, which are TRAINED to become vicious on command, are trained out of positive reinforcement. Those dogs love their trainers, and will put their own safety secondary to protecting their trainers.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 11-02-2019 01:34
11-02-2019 01:43
gfm7175
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(151)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...

Works for any dog. That's what folks that train animals for the movies do too. They can get those dogs to do some amazing stuff, and on cue. Those dogs are happy, love to perform, and love their trainers. They never beat an animal. That just makes it fearful and vicious.

Even police dogs, which are TRAINED to become vicious on command, are trained out of positive reinforcement. Those dogs love their trainers, and will put their own safety secondary to protecting their trainers.

Exactly... reinforcement works... it gets good results and the dogs enjoy pleasing their owners...

Judging by Wake's anger issues on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if his anger issues get directed at his dogs as a form of "training"...
Edited on 11-02-2019 01:44
11-02-2019 01:52
Wake
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(3956)
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
You have to let the dog KNOW what he did wrong in order to use reinforcement to train him otherwise. So where did you ever get your knowledge of training dogs? Or are you going to pretend like Nightmare that pushing a dogs nose in it means actually shoving him down into it?
11-02-2019 02:01
gfm7175
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Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
You have to let the dog KNOW what he did wrong in order to use reinforcement to train him otherwise. So where did you ever get your knowledge of training dogs? Or are you going to pretend like Nightmare that pushing a dogs nose in it means actually shoving him down into it?


Praising for doing the right thing gets A LOT better results than cussing for doing the wrong thing...

Even in dog training, your anger issues get the best of you...

The Bible has a lot of wise words about being slow to anger...
11-02-2019 02:09
Wake
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gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
You have to let the dog KNOW what he did wrong in order to use reinforcement to train him otherwise. So where did you ever get your knowledge of training dogs? Or are you going to pretend like Nightmare that pushing a dogs nose in it means actually shoving him down into it?


Praising for doing the right thing gets A LOT better results than cussing for doing the wrong thing...

Even in dog training, your anger issues get the best of you...

The Bible has a lot of wise words about being slow to anger...
Listening to people like you talk about the bible verses is a laugh. My father-in-law was a traveling Baptist minister who started 22 churches. I have to listen to bible verses almost all of the time from my wife. I am Catholic and know them very well. And you apparently do not:

Genesis 3:7-19

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"read more.
He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself." And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life; And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

In other words - even man must be taught good from bad. But that doesn't seem to work with either you or Nightmare.
11-02-2019 02:43
gfm7175
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Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Wake wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?
As the Ice Core research has shown, we peaked out long ago and have been falling ever since why are we being told that ice is melting when there are only two weeks out of the year when temperatures are above freezing in the Arctic and those temperatures have been significantly below normal these last two years?

There is something seriously wrong in NASA and NOAA. Why have they made the temperature record look like Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick the data for which Dr. Mann was unable to produce in a Canadian court and for which he is now liable for all of the legal expense of Tim Ball which runs into the millions of dollars. These allegations MUST be brought before a Congressional investigation and the likes of the leadership forced to answer hard questions until we get to the bottom of this.


Congress has dedicated it's investigative powers entirely on Trump. They aren't interested in anything else right now, until they get the results they decided on. If they were simply looking for the truth, they would have already found it, shouldn't have taken more than a few months.

There are already many in congress, that drank the kool-aid, and completely onboard with climate change agenda. It's good for them, because it lets them move tax money around, profitable, since it can be steered toward personal business interests and investments.

Most of the people in congress aren't scientists, or really understand science (and a lot of other things), they have to rely on the experts, like the ones they would be investigating. Most of the politicians could probably care less about climate change, but they do see the potential to take advantage of those who do. Climate change isn't about weather, it's about environmental issues, energy use, and money, all things that attract voters. It's good for politics, so they don't want to ruin a good thing. Just the accusation is damaging, if taken to the investigative level.

I'm afraid you're too right. But we can force them to care. We can rub their noses in it.

That doesn't force anything, Wake. Not even a dog.

And so now you don't even know how to train a dog and are proud of it. Your Earth is getting flatter with every posting.


You train a dog with reinforcement, Wake. Not by beatings or sticking their nose in their own poop. Some dogs like to PLAY with their own poop.

The Earth is not flat, Wake.
And again you show us that you've never trained a dog.

Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
You have to let the dog KNOW what he did wrong in order to use reinforcement to train him otherwise. So where did you ever get your knowledge of training dogs? Or are you going to pretend like Nightmare that pushing a dogs nose in it means actually shoving him down into it?


Praising for doing the right thing gets A LOT better results than cussing for doing the wrong thing...

Even in dog training, your anger issues get the best of you...

The Bible has a lot of wise words about being slow to anger...
Listening to people like you talk about the bible verses is a laugh. My father-in-law was a traveling Baptist minister who started 22 churches. I have to listen to bible verses almost all of the time from my wife. I am Catholic and know them very well. And you apparently do not:

Genesis 3:7-19

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"read more.
He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself." And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life; And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

In other words - even man must be taught good from bad. But that doesn't seem to work with either you or Nightmare.


I dont believe your claims about your father-in-law, your wife, nor yourself nor your Catholic religion.

That Bible passage (in a VERY general sense, to save space) is speaking of when humanity first was able to see and know what evil was, instead of having a child-like innocence and ignorance of what evil was. It also speaks of the individual curses/punishments for the individual sins committed. However, we are speaking of good pet training methods... I'm not sure what those Bible verses have to do with pet training methods, or with pets making mistakes (such as peeing in the house instead of outside)...

But, even with rearing children, positive reinforcement works MUCH better than "sticking their nose in it"...
11-02-2019 02:52
Wake
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It never surprises me that when someone starts talking about the bible and you throw it back in their faces that they resort to misinterpreting a passage. But then you agree with Nightmare that there are no geological or other scientific records of past climate of CO2 levels. So it's not a surprise that you don't understand anything else around you either. Reenforcement without showing a dog what he did wrong to start with indeed!

And like Nightware when challenged you simply say, "I don't believe you". What a psychological coward!
11-02-2019 03:08
gfm7175
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Wake wrote:
It never surprises me that when someone starts talking about the bible and you throw it back in their faces that they resort to misinterpreting a passage. But then you agree with Nightmare that there are no geological or other scientific records of past climate of CO2 levels. So it's not a surprise that you don't understand anything else around you either. Reenforcement without showing a dog what he did wrong to start with indeed!

And like Nightware when challenged you simply say, "I don't believe you". What a psychological coward!

I simply bring up a vague reference to a Bible verse (as a nugget of knowledge) and your anger issues get the best of you once again... Just try to calm down for a second...

Correct. There aren't even any CURRENT records of global climate or global CO2 levels... we don't have the means to measure those things...

Compositional Error Fallacy about my misunderstanding of "everything else" given my supposed misunderstanding of a thing or two...

You dont have to stick a dogs nose in their own pile of poop inside the house... just give them positive praise for pooping outside and they will learn that outside is where they are supposed to poop. You really do need to get control of your anger as it seems to be affecting multiple areas of your life...

Claims like that dont hold any ground on a debate forum... I dont have to believe them, especially if I find reason to not believe them, as I do with your claims of Bible understanding.
Edited on 11-02-2019 03:12
11-02-2019 04:45
James___
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gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
It never surprises me that when someone starts talking about the bible and you throw it back in their faces that they resort to misinterpreting a passage. But then you agree with Nightmare that there are no geological or other scientific records of past climate of CO2 levels. So it's not a surprise that you don't understand anything else around you either. Reenforcement without showing a dog what he did wrong to start with indeed!

And like Nightware when challenged you simply say, "I don't believe you". What a psychological coward!

I simply bring up a vague reference to a Bible verse (as a nugget of knowledge) and your anger issues get the best of you once again... Just try to calm down for a second...

Correct. There aren't even any CURRENT records of global climate or global CO2 levels... we don't have the means to measure those things...

Compositional Error Fallacy about my misunderstanding of "everything else" given my supposed misunderstanding of a thing or two...

You dont have to stick a dogs nose in their own pile of poop inside the house... just give them positive praise for pooping outside and they will learn that outside is where they are supposed to poop. You really do need to get control of your anger as it seems to be affecting multiple areas of your life...

Claims like that dont hold any ground on a debate forum... I dont have to believe them, especially if I find reason to not believe them, as I do with your claims of Bible understanding.



Jews were slow to anger. As a result they willingly boarded trains. Most of the 6 million who died as a result of the Holocaust was because of the living conditions in the concentration camps that they were sent to. Fortunately for Nazi's Jews were slow to anger.
12-02-2019 00:24
Wake
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Tim the plumber wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Look at Sweden and Canada. Cold, few people. Look at Mexico and Pakistan. Hot, lots of people. It's a proven fact people like warmer climate better. Plus more CO2 is beneficial for agriculture anyway. So what's the problem?


Yep.

If anybody can actually explain any trouble, in their own words, with support from some sort of science to explain the mechanism for this bad thing fire away.


I just read a study that was about Vitamin D3. Vitamin D3 is formed by exposure to sunlight. Europeans developed the social construct of heavy clothing and then even I warmer weather they would remained completely covered as if their were afraid of the Sun.

Rickets or bones that were soft and malleable were common. It was discovered that if you put just a single arm out into the sunlight for a significant time that the bones would harden to the proper consistency. What's more all of the rest of the bones on the body would also do so regardless that they were not exposed.

While it is a rather complex conversion at the end of it vitamin D3 is formed and so the belief started that vitamin D3 was necessary. Study after study showed that exposure to sunlight either cured of reduced the frequency of everything from kidney stones to cancer.

For instance - the most northern states are the coldest and people in those states expose themselves to the sun far less than in, say, Arizona, where a cold day is 60 degrees F. So by using the LATITUDE of a state as an indication of how much sun people are exposed to they find that the northernmost states have higher rates of breast cancer and even multiple sclerosis.

If we were to HAVE global warming - which we don't - it would rather sharply reduce death rates of some common diseases by as much as 65%.

Tony Heller has published a whole load of Youtube videos. He isn't a scientist. He is a reporter. But he is the real thing reporter that doesn't copy the NASA handouts. He has gone through a great deal of trouble to trace ALL of NASA's lies back and shows them to be absolute lies. Not incorrect science mind you - but outright lies.
12-02-2019 01:42
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Then how do you train a dog, Wake? Reinforcement works for my dogs...
You have to let the dog KNOW what he did wrong in order to use reinforcement to train him otherwise.

That is not reinforcement, Wake. Punishing a dog to something it does wrong doesn't work. They don't understand. They become fearful of you, and quite possibly vicious.
Wake wrote:
So where did you ever get your knowledge of training dogs?
Training dogs. I've trained cats, too (yes, they can be trained).
Wake wrote:
Or are you going to pretend like Nightmare that pushing a dogs nose in it means actually shoving him down into it?

What do you think it means, Wake?


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 01:44
Into the Night
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gfm7175 wrote:
Praising for doing the right thing gets A LOT better results than cussing for doing the wrong thing...

Even in dog training, your anger issues get the best of you...

The Bible has a lot of wise words about being slow to anger...


His own anger prevents him from learning. He is damned, in the full context and meaning it carries in the Bible. He is stopped from progressing. Until he can master his anger problem, he will continue to be damned.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 01:53
Wake
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James___ wrote:
Jews were slow to anger. As a result they willingly boarded trains. Most of the 6 million who died as a result of the Holocaust was because of the living conditions in the concentration camps that they were sent to. Fortunately for Nazi's Jews were slow to anger.


I seriously suggest that you actually read how those 6 million Jews died - it was not the living conditions. Remember - I worked under men who marched into Dachau and Auschwitz. The common American soldier was not aware what was happening and assumed that they would free a bunch of prisoners. The NAZI guards were lined up next to the ash pits and shot. One sergeant said that they continued to pour bullets into the dead bodies that had rolled down into the ashes of the Jews.
12-02-2019 01:55
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Praising for doing the right thing gets A LOT better results than cussing for doing the wrong thing...

Even in dog training, your anger issues get the best of you...

The Bible has a lot of wise words about being slow to anger...

Listening to people like you talk about the bible verses is a laugh. My father-in-law was a traveling Baptist minister who started 22 churches.
I don't believe you, Wake.
Wake wrote:
I have to listen to bible verses almost all of the time from my wife.
Maybe she's trying to tell you something.
Wake wrote:
I am Catholic and know them very well.
Being a Catholic does not mean you know the contents of the Bible or understand them, Wake.
Wake wrote:
And you apparently do not:
This is a forum on climate, not a religion forum. You are WAY off topic here.
Wake wrote:
Genesis 3:7-19
...deleted redundant material...
In other words - even man must be taught good from bad. But that doesn't seem to work with either you or Nightmare.

Non-sequitur fallacy. This has nothing to do with dog training, and does not discuss anyone punishing anyone. Adam and Eve knew full well the consequences of their decision to leave the Garden and the presence of God and enter the world of today, both the good and bad consequences. They freely made that choice.

You, on the other hand, are bound by the chains of your own anger.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:00
Into the Night
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gfm7175 wrote:
re: Wake's claims of authority concerning Bible verses.

I dont believe your claims about your father-in-law, your wife, nor yourself nor your Catholic religion.

That Bible passage (in a VERY general sense, to save space) is speaking of when humanity first was able to see and know what evil was, instead of having a child-like innocence and ignorance of what evil was. It also speaks of the individual curses/punishments for the individual sins committed. However, we are speaking of good pet training methods... I'm not sure what those Bible verses have to do with pet training methods, or with pets making mistakes (such as peeing in the house instead of outside)...

But, even with rearing children, positive reinforcement works MUCH better than "sticking their nose in it"...


And I have both the kids and the dogs to prove it. The dog is happy and loving, just as any dog I've trained, and the kids are successful, both in business and in society. They are free of the drug problems plaguing so many kids today.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:07
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
It never surprises me that when someone starts talking about the bible and you throw it back in their faces that they resort to misinterpreting a passage.

No, Wake. It is YOU that brought up an related scripture to talk about dog training!
Wake wrote:
But then you agree with Nightmare that there are no geological or other scientific records of past climate of CO2 levels.

Science isn't data. There is no such thing as a 'scientific' record. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. CO2 concentration is not climate, Wake. There are no records, past or present, of global atmospheric CO2 concentration or global oceanic CO2 concentration.
Wake wrote:
So it's not a surprise that you don't understand anything else around you either.

Divisional error fallacy.
Wake wrote:
Reenforcement without showing a dog what he did wrong to start with indeed!
It works, Wake.
Wake wrote:
And like Nightware when challenged you simply say, "I don't believe you". What a psychological coward!

No, it's because you have long history of claiming your are an expert because of some credential or job history, and you aren't.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 12-02-2019 02:08
12-02-2019 02:13
Into the Night
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gfm7175 wrote:
Compositional Error Fallacy about my misunderstanding of "everything else" given my supposed misunderstanding of a thing or two...


This is actually a divisional error fallacy. He is extending the property of an item of a class across an unrelated class.

A compositional error is improperly extending the property of an item of a class across other items in the same class, or across the class itself.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:15
Into the Night
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Wake wrote:
It never surprises me that when someone starts talking about the bible and you throw it back in their faces that they resort to misinterpreting a passage. But then you agree with Nightmare that there are no geological or other scientific records of past climate of CO2 levels. So it's not a surprise that you don't understand anything else around you either. Reenforcement without showing a dog what he did wrong to start with indeed!

And like Nightware when challenged you simply say, "I don't believe you". What a psychological coward!

I simply bring up a vague reference to a Bible verse (as a nugget of knowledge) and your anger issues get the best of you once again... Just try to calm down for a second...

Correct. There aren't even any CURRENT records of global climate or global CO2 levels... we don't have the means to measure those things...

Compositional Error Fallacy about my misunderstanding of "everything else" given my supposed misunderstanding of a thing or two...

You dont have to stick a dogs nose in their own pile of poop inside the house... just give them positive praise for pooping outside and they will learn that outside is where they are supposed to poop. You really do need to get control of your anger as it seems to be affecting multiple areas of your life...

Claims like that dont hold any ground on a debate forum... I dont have to believe them, especially if I find reason to not believe them, as I do with your claims of Bible understanding.



Jews were slow to anger. As a result they willingly boarded trains. Most of the 6 million who died as a result of the Holocaust was because of the living conditions in the concentration camps that they were sent to. Fortunately for Nazi's Jews were slow to anger.


So was the rest of the world, slow to anger. However, when they DID become angry, it completely overwhelmed the Nazis.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:23
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
James___ wrote:
Jews were slow to anger. As a result they willingly boarded trains. Most of the 6 million who died as a result of the Holocaust was because of the living conditions in the concentration camps that they were sent to. Fortunately for Nazi's Jews were slow to anger.


I seriously suggest that you actually read how those 6 million Jews died -

Living conditions, and ovens.
Wake wrote:
it was not the living conditions.
Ovens are not living conditions, Wake.
Wake wrote:
Remember - I worked under men who marched into Dachau and Auschwitz.

Irrelevant. That doesn't make you an expert on any of it, Wake.
Wake wrote:
The common American soldier was not aware what was happening and assumed that they would free a bunch of prisoners.

They were after the first camp was freed.
Wake wrote:
The NAZI guards were lined up next to the ash pits and shot. One sergeant said that they continued to pour bullets into the dead bodies that had rolled down into the ashes of the Jews.

This is a climate forum. Why is anybody even talking about concentration camps and the slaughter of the Jews?


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:33
gfm7175
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Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
re: Wake's claims of authority concerning Bible verses.

I dont believe your claims about your father-in-law, your wife, nor yourself nor your Catholic religion.

That Bible passage (in a VERY general sense, to save space) is speaking of when humanity first was able to see and know what evil was, instead of having a child-like innocence and ignorance of what evil was. It also speaks of the individual curses/punishments for the individual sins committed. However, we are speaking of good pet training methods... I'm not sure what those Bible verses have to do with pet training methods, or with pets making mistakes (such as peeing in the house instead of outside)...

But, even with rearing children, positive reinforcement works MUCH better than "sticking their nose in it"...


And I have both the kids and the dogs to prove it. The dog is happy and loving, just as any dog I've trained, and the kids are successful, both in business and in society. They are free of the drug problems plaguing so many kids today.

Precisely... drugs ARE a huge problem... my cousin died last month due to a drug overdose... she was a godless person who hung out with the wrong crowd. She only lived 25 years... such a short life, and one which was completely wasted away by drugs, druggie friends, thievery, narcissism, obsession with her body, and other lawbreaking/immorality rather than using her various talents (and she really could've made something of herself) to serve God...
12-02-2019 02:39
Into the Night
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gfm7175 wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
re: Wake's claims of authority concerning Bible verses.

I dont believe your claims about your father-in-law, your wife, nor yourself nor your Catholic religion.

That Bible passage (in a VERY general sense, to save space) is speaking of when humanity first was able to see and know what evil was, instead of having a child-like innocence and ignorance of what evil was. It also speaks of the individual curses/punishments for the individual sins committed. However, we are speaking of good pet training methods... I'm not sure what those Bible verses have to do with pet training methods, or with pets making mistakes (such as peeing in the house instead of outside)...

But, even with rearing children, positive reinforcement works MUCH better than "sticking their nose in it"...


And I have both the kids and the dogs to prove it. The dog is happy and loving, just as any dog I've trained, and the kids are successful, both in business and in society. They are free of the drug problems plaguing so many kids today.

Precisely... drugs ARE a huge problem... my cousin died last month due to a drug overdose... she was a godless person who hung out with the wrong crowd. She only lived 25 years... such a short life, and one which was completely wasted away by drugs, druggie friends, thievery, narcissism, obsession with her body, and other lawbreaking/immorality rather than using her various talents (and she really could've made something of herself) to serve God...


It's sad when you see people make these kinds of choices. Such a waste.


The Parrot Killer
12-02-2019 02:43
gfm7175
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(151)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Compositional Error Fallacy about my misunderstanding of "everything else" given my supposed misunderstanding of a thing or two...


This is actually a divisional error fallacy. He is extending the property of an item of a class across an unrelated class.

A compositional error is improperly extending the property of an item of a class across other items in the same class, or across the class itself.

Ahhhh, I think that makes sense. Correction noted.
12-02-2019 07:26
Terry1001
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If its something we can not stop why worry. The rich will not want to stop getting richer. To do that we need growth in all areas so they can. So growth will produce more of what is creating climate change.
12-02-2019 15:01
gfm7175
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Terry1001 wrote:
If its something we can not stop why worry.

And that's exactly what this is. We can't control the weather. Why worry about it?

Terry1001 wrote:The rich will not want to stop getting richer.

"The rich" is a meaningless buzzword. It needs to be defined.

Terry1001 wrote:To do that we need growth in all areas so they can.

Rich people getting richer is good for all of us.

Terry1001 wrote:So growth will produce more of what is creating climate change.

Climate change is a meaningless buzzword. It needs to be defined in a non-circular manner... Nothing is creating "climate change"; the climate changes all on own...
12-02-2019 17:32
Wake
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gfm7175 wrote:
Terry1001 wrote:
If its something we can not stop why worry.

And that's exactly what this is. We can't control the weather. Why worry about it?

Terry1001 wrote:The rich will not want to stop getting richer.

"The rich" is a meaningless buzzword. It needs to be defined.

Terry1001 wrote:To do that we need growth in all areas so they can.

Rich people getting richer is good for all of us.

Terry1001 wrote:So growth will produce more of what is creating climate change.

Climate change is a meaningless buzzword. It needs to be defined in a non-circular manner... Nothing is creating "climate change"; the climate changes all on own...


There's another of Nightmare's idiotic statements. Tell us all what you think that "circular argument" means as relates to climate change?
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