Warming acceleration

muc82 wrote:
.....Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster

muc82 wrote:
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures

muc82 wrote:
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster

muc82 wrote:
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.

muc82 wrote:
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist?

muc82 wrote:
Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

Tim the plumber wrote:

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

Vertually all the ice that can be melted has already done so. The vast majority of the ice on earth is in places that would require a very large increase in temperature to melt it. Like +20c.

Methane has a very short life when it is in the air. It disappears quickly as it reacts with oxygen and goes away.

Permafrost may well melt, but how much? The edges of its' range may well move back a bit but not much given the very cold winter temp[eratures, the slight increase in summer temperatures and the very large range of permafrost in Central Aisia etc.

The cooling effect of heat being radiated away from the earth is very big. Each night when the sun stops warming us we lose lots of temperature as this happens. If it is a little warmer it will cool a little more.

The earth has been much warmer for most of its' history. Lots warmer. It has never ended up like Venus. It will not warm up like that now.

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

GreenMan wrote:

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

I think you have it pretty much right, muc82. Neither do I see the world reversing the warming trend, so I see the world getting hotter and hotter until something happens to stop the warming.

GreenMan wrote:
Unfortunately, what I see stopping the warming also rearranges our continents a bit, kills most people, and even causes the axis of our planet to slip a little.

GreenMan wrote:
The dust from a major super volcano eruption would cool the planet for thousands of years, sending us into another Ice Age, or Glacial Period [Ignore those who say we are already in an Ice Age, because there is a lot of ice in the arctic regions].

GreenMan wrote:
I found descriptions of Global Warming in the Bible, like this one:

Isaiah 24:4-6 [NKJV]

4 The earth mourns and fades away,
The world languishes and fades away;
The haughty people of the earth languish.
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants,
Because they have transgressed the laws,
Changed the ordinance,
Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth,
And those who dwell in it are desolate.
Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
And few men are left.

That pretty much describes what we are heading into. It says people will burn, because of their pollution.

GreenMan wrote:
There is quite a lot of insight about our situation that can be found in the prophecies, for those who are interested. Included is what to do if you find yourself living in that period of time.

GreenMan wrote:
I have a discussion group in its starting phase, that examines the biblical prophecies of Global Warming.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leftbehind/index.php

GreenMan wrote:
As you can tell, most of the people in here are deniers, and don't even know that it is getting hotter.

GreenMan wrote:
One of them even thinks he can prove that CO2 can't warm the planet.

GreenMan wrote:
He reminds me of the guy I used to work for that would not fly.

GreenMan wrote:
He was a mechanical engineer, and he said that he could prove that an airplane could not fly, because it was too heavy, lol.

GreenMan wrote:
The solution to our problem is not that pleasant. You have it right, we aren't going to stop polluting our environment,

GreenMan wrote:
just because a bunch of scientists think we are causing it to get hotter and that we're all going to die. So we will continue polluting, until we all start dying.

GreenMan wrote:
Then it's too late to do anything about it. Well, actually, it already is.

GreenMan wrote:
It will continue to grow warmer for hundreds of years after we reach zero emissions of CO2.

GreenMan wrote:
So in our current situation, everything dies, unless something like a super volcano eruption occurs, to cool things off.

GreenMan wrote:
So, best thing to do is prepare for it to get warmer each year. That means move to a higher elevation as far north as possible [or south if you are in the southern hemisphere]. Dig in and build your fire proof, mostly underground dwelling. Stock up on a lot of food, because when the volcanic eruption occurs, we will go through a volcanic winter, for a few years.

GreenMan wrote:
And most importantly, do something on a personal level to reduce your CO2 footprint.

James___ wrote:

muc82 wrote:
I doubt that we will ever be able to cut the emmisions. Our civilisation and mentality runs like that. For me cutting the emissions even for 50-60% (which globally will never happen) means nothing, we have still so much that it cause the warming. So here my thinking:
1.) Have more CO2 emmisions will mean warmer earth -> ice will melt, we will have less sun reflection, temperature will rise even faster
2.) We consume more and more energy, we have more buildings and more tarmac roads -> all this things cause more higher temperatures
3.) warmer temperature -> permafrost will melt, methane will strenghten the warming effect, temperature will rise faster
4.) ...
Basically I see here a lot of natural reactions which accelerate the global warming. Everything leads to more and more warm temperatures.
Does anybody know some cooling effect in the nature which starts when the temperature rise and rise? Does something like that exist? Or will we end like Venus in couple of centuries?

...Hi muc82,
.. It's best to ignore itn. He's not here to debate anything.
.I have my own pet theory. We don't know yet the actual effect that CO2 and H2O vapor have on storing / trapping heat. It might not be that much.

James___ wrote:
.I'll give you an example of why, okay ?

Average High - 663/8 = 82.875° F. = 301.4139K
Average Low - 529/ 8 = 66.125° F. = 292.1083K
= 9.3309K

This link shows that 1° C. = 1 Kelvin.

James___ wrote:
This link (http://mc-computing.com/Science_Facts/Temperature_Conversions.html)
shows that about 0.0067 w.m^2 = 9.3309K of °C.

James___ wrote:
You'll need to enter 0.01 so it will read Power 0.01 W/m2
.That's 24.12 w/hr during the HOTTEST part of the day.

James___ wrote:
..That is a very small change in the amount of energy needed to warm
.the atmosphere the next day.

James___ wrote:
Needless to say I think our planet is well insulated from the space in the universe around us.

James___ wrote:
.The temperatures are for Lexington, Ky. from 07/16/2018 to 07/24/2018.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tx8xRqXBcTtLkoVZ8

James___ wrote:
p.s., when the tropopause altitude increases during the day this could draw heat through the tropopause into the troposphere (what we live in).

James___ wrote:
This is where a lot of research is needed to document the flow of heat into and out of our atmosphere as well as moving from one region on our planet to another.

James___ wrote:
And this is what would influence how the wind flows as well because of high and low pressure systems.

James___ wrote:
This only shows that our atmosphere is complex.

James___ wrote:
And I didn't even mention atmospheric forcing and mixing.

James___ wrote:
There's just that much to consider.

James___ wrote:
I keep flushing the d@mned toilet but it seems that itn has found a log to hold on to. Might be why it smells in here.

.itn, you do make it a waste of time to post in here.

James___ wrote:

James___ wrote:
I keep flushing the d@mned toilet but it seems that itn has found a log to hold on to. Might be why it smells in here.

.itn, you do make it a waste of time to post in here.

...I thought I'd let you know that I did some math on how many watts/meter^2 it takes to warm our atmosphere.
I'll give you an example of Conserved Energy. If it's 86° F./ 30 ° C. during the day then cools to 68° F./ 20° C. at night then to warm the atmosphere back to 86° F. / 30° C., it will take only 86 watts per square meter (w/m^2). The Solar Constant is the rate at which energy reaches the earth's surface from the sun, usually taken to be 1,388 watts per square meter.
This calculator shows it is about 86 w/m^2; http://mc-computing.com/Science_Facts/Temperature_Conversions.html

James___ wrote:
The energy generated on our planet; https://yearbook.enerdata.net/total-energy/world-consumption-statistics.html
It's about 14,000 mtoe.


MTOE is the acronym for Million tonnes of Oil Equivalent. It is a unit to quantify the amount of energy which is released by the burning of a million tonnes of crude oil. Different fuels have different MTOE values. The OECDdefines one tonne of energy equivalent for crude oil to be 11,630 kWh.


This equals about 14,000 x 1 million x 31.86 a day = 14 billion tonnes of crude oil x 31.86 kWh.
Surface Area of Earth: 510,072,000 square kilometres and 1 million square meters in a square kilometer is 510,072,000,000,000.
If you have some check these numbers and divide 14 x 10^9 kWh / 51 x 10^13 m^2 = ?
then you'll have a starting point for how much energy (heat) that we are putting in our atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
The end result is in kWh. divide that by 3,600 and it become kWseconds which would show if the 86 w/m^2 is achieved or not. As I mentioned, this would only be a starting point to see how the heat that we're generating might influence climate change. And the projections for future energy usage; https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26212

James___ wrote:
..@All,
.I'll do the math later to see if 86 w/m^2 is reached. This would only be a starting point to understand how the energy we're using might influence climate change. And this is why I think a much improved solar panel is important.

James___ wrote:
..@All,
..The math so far;

14 x 10^9/ 51 x 10^13 m^2 =
14 x 10 / 51 x 10^4 m^2 =
140 / 51 x 100,000 = w/m^2
7,140 / 5,100,000 = 0.0014 tonnes /m^2

..The 0.0014 tonnes of oil will give us kWh which when divided by 3,600
will give us w/m^2. I need to take a break before finishing the math problem. A lot of work does go into it.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..@All,
..The math so far;

14 x 10^9/ 51 x 10^13 m^2 =
14 x 10 / 51 x 10^4 m^2 =
140 / 51 x 100,000 = w/m^2
7,140 / 5,100,000 = 0.0014 tonnes /m^2

..The 0.0014 tonnes of oil will give us kWh which when divided by 3,600
will give us w/m^2. I need to take a break before finishing the math problem. A lot of work does go into it.

You haven't even started. You have a math error. You are starting with random numbers.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..@All,
..The math so far;

14 x 10^9/ 51 x 10^13 m^2 =
14 x 10 / 51 x 10^4 m^2 =
140 / 51 x 100,000 = w/m^2
7,140 / 5,100,000 = 0.0014 tonnes /m^2

..The 0.0014 tonnes of oil will give us kWh which when divided by 3,600
will give us w/m^2. I need to take a break before finishing the math problem. A lot of work does go into it.

You haven't even started. You have a math error. You are starting with random numbers.

...And all you are showing people IMO is that you're nothing more than an idiot.

.@All, that seems to be the purpose of this forum, for itn to make an ass out of himself. Just shows what a sad, pathetic individual he. He's in a science type forum to promote his philosophy of NOTHINGNESS. It's all he has.
.And itn, I've got other things I can be doing. You obviously like no one including yourself.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..@All,
..The math so far;

14 x 10^9/ 51 x 10^13 m^2 =
14 x 10 / 51 x 10^4 m^2 =
140 / 51 x 100,000 = w/m^2
7,140 / 5,100,000 = 0.0014 tonnes /m^2

..The 0.0014 tonnes of oil will give us kWh which when divided by 3,600
will give us w/m^2. I need to take a break before finishing the math problem. A lot of work does go into it.

You haven't even started. You have a math error. You are starting with random numbers.

...And all you are showing people IMO is that you're nothing more than an idiot.

.@All, that seems to be the purpose of this forum, for itn to make an ass out of himself. Just shows what a sad, pathetic individual he. He's in a science type forum to promote his philosophy of NOTHINGNESS. It's all he has.
.And itn, I've got other things I can be doing. You obviously like no one including yourself.

Hey...I'm not the one that made the math error.

Your paradox is noted.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..@All,
..The math so far;

14 x 10^9/ 51 x 10^13 m^2 =
14 x 10 / 51 x 10^4 m^2 =
140 / 51 x 100,000 = w/m^2
7,140 / 5,100,000 = 0.0014 tonnes /m^2

..The 0.0014 tonnes of oil will give us kWh which when divided by 3,600
will give us w/m^2. I need to take a break before finishing the math problem. A lot of work does go into it.

You haven't even started. You have a math error. You are starting with random numbers.

...And all you are showing people IMO is that you're nothing more than an idiot.

.@All, that seems to be the purpose of this forum, for itn to make an ass out of himself. Just shows what a sad, pathetic individual he. He's in a science type forum to promote his philosophy of NOTHINGNESS. It's all he has.
.And itn, I've got other things I can be doing. You obviously like no one including yourself.

Hey...I'm not the one that made the math error.

Your paradox is noted.

...ITN,
..Now you're sounding like a 14 year old who's been in his daddies liquor cabinet more than you should be. Since you consider math to be random numbers how could you tell the difference ? Your ignorance precedes you.

Into the Night wrote:

Actually, there is a branch of mathematics about random numbers themselves. Most people don't need it. Probability math or statistical math (both of which just use random numbers) is fine for most.

But you can't just take random numbers out of the air and do a power calculation with it.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Actually, there is a branch of mathematics about random numbers themselves. Most people don't need it. Probability math or statistical math (both of which just use random numbers) is fine for most.

But you can't just take random numbers out of the air and do a power calculation with it.

..Why don't you enlighten us by giving us an example ? I think that'd really help us to understand when numbers aren't random but do have a specific meaning.

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

GasGuzzler wrote:
Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Well if it isn't Greenthing resurfacing! Must be all that record rain....

I haven't posted in a couple months, but just can't resist congratulating you on your typical left wing looney liberal response...you know, politicizing a tragedy. Although you may actually have a point. After all fire was not invented until just a few decades ago.

Hey, can you clarify record temps for me please? Is it highest temps ever? or is it highest ever recorded temps? There's is a BIG difference but I keep hearing these climate change nutjobs saying it's the hottest ever. How do they know that?

One other thing there Redman, I've put up the current surface analysis. I see a Pacific ridge and a Midwest trough, a fairly strong high out west and a bit of low pressure in the eastern Midwest, but nothing too strong or out of the ordinary. Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?
Thanks bro, and good to hear from you again! Stick around for a while, we'll have some fun

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Well if it isn't Greenthing resurfacing! Must be all that record rain....

I haven't posted in a couple months, but just can't resist congratulating you on your typical left wing looney liberal response...you know, politicizing a tragedy. Although you may actually have a point. After all fire was not invented until just a few decades ago.

Hey, can you clarify record temps for me please? Is it highest temps ever? or is it highest ever recorded temps? There's is a BIG difference but I keep hearing these climate change nutjobs saying it's the hottest ever. How do they know that?

One other thing there Redman, I've put up the current surface analysis. I see a Pacific ridge and a Midwest trough, a fairly strong high out west and a bit of low pressure in the eastern Midwest, but nothing too strong or out of the ordinary. Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?
Thanks bro, and good to hear from you again! Stick around for a while, we'll have some fun

Hey Gassy, nice to see you up and around. Not really. I looked at your color weather radar map, and didn't see anything recognizable. Looked like a map of the US with a bunch of numbers and squiggles all over it. But there wasn't a legend to tell me what the numbers and squiggles represented. Sorry, trying to say squigglies, but the spell checker keeps fixing it.

I think when they say record temperature, they mean since temperature was recorded. The previous Interglacial Period exceeded the current average temperature by about 5C. So it's not the hottest ever.

The reason for pointing out that people are starting to burn up is because it's something we need to be aware of. Fire is a natural thing, that we didn't invent. It happens when a combustible material reaches its ignition temperature. Sometimes things, including people, just spontaneously combust, without any source of heat. But that fire that killed all those people in Greece was started by some nut job, apparently.

Nice of you to point out that I am politicizing the fire in Greece. Global Warming shouldn't be a political issue at all, because politicians are really smart enough to understand it. They should just react to what the smart scientists are telling them. But instead, the majority of them appear to have their fingers crammed in their ears.

The events we are seeing now are because of Climate Change. It's getting hotter, so we have more frequent fires, droughts, and floods. It would be easier if we didn't have to figure out why there's a drought in the west, and a monsoon in the east, but that's the way it is. I think the droughts are caused by lack of water, and the monsoons are caused by too much water. Both are caused by more heat than what is normal.

But of course, you don't care, because the fire didn't come roaring down on you. Maybe next time?

Tim the plumber wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Well if it isn't Greenthing resurfacing! Must be all that record rain....

I haven't posted in a couple months, but just can't resist congratulating you on your typical left wing looney liberal response...you know, politicizing a tragedy. Although you may actually have a point. After all fire was not invented until just a few decades ago.

Hey, can you clarify record temps for me please? Is it highest temps ever? or is it highest ever recorded temps? There's is a BIG difference but I keep hearing these climate change nutjobs saying it's the hottest ever. How do they know that?

One other thing there Redman, I've put up the current surface analysis. I see a Pacific ridge and a Midwest trough, a fairly strong high out west and a bit of low pressure in the eastern Midwest, but nothing too strong or out of the ordinary. Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?
Thanks bro, and good to hear from you again! Stick around for a while, we'll have some fun

Hey Gassy, nice to see you up and around. Not really. I looked at your color weather radar map, and didn't see anything recognizable. Looked like a map of the US with a bunch of numbers and squiggles all over it. But there wasn't a legend to tell me what the numbers and squiggles represented. Sorry, trying to say squigglies, but the spell checker keeps fixing it.

I think when they say record temperature, they mean since temperature was recorded. The previous Interglacial Period exceeded the current average temperature by about 5C. So it's not the hottest ever.

The reason for pointing out that people are starting to burn up is because it's something we need to be aware of. Fire is a natural thing, that we didn't invent. It happens when a combustible material reaches its ignition temperature. Sometimes things, including people, just spontaneously combust, without any source of heat. But that fire that killed all those people in Greece was started by some nut job, apparently.

Nice of you to point out that I am politicizing the fire in Greece. Global Warming shouldn't be a political issue at all, because politicians are really smart enough to understand it. They should just react to what the smart scientists are telling them. But instead, the majority of them appear to have their fingers crammed in their ears.

The events we are seeing now are because of Climate Change. It's getting hotter, so we have more frequent fires, droughts, and floods. It would be easier if we didn't have to figure out why there's a drought in the west, and a monsoon in the east, but that's the way it is. I think the droughts are caused by lack of water, and the monsoons are caused by too much water. Both are caused by more heat than what is normal.

But of course, you don't care, because the fire didn't come roaring down on you. Maybe next time?

Just thought I would point out that the weather map is very easy to understand if you wentto school and did geography.

The ines are isobars. They link places with equal atmospheric pressure at nominal sea level.

The squiggles are various fronts. This is where the is a vertical movenet of air causing a vortex to happen. The front bit is where the hotter air is rising over cooler air. Generally this means rain.

GreenMan wrote:

Tim the plumber wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Well if it isn't Greenthing resurfacing! Must be all that record rain....

I haven't posted in a couple months, but just can't resist congratulating you on your typical left wing looney liberal response...you know, politicizing a tragedy. Although you may actually have a point. After all fire was not invented until just a few decades ago.

Hey, can you clarify record temps for me please? Is it highest temps ever? or is it highest ever recorded temps? There's is a BIG difference but I keep hearing these climate change nutjobs saying it's the hottest ever. How do they know that?

One other thing there Redman, I've put up the current surface analysis. I see a Pacific ridge and a Midwest trough, a fairly strong high out west and a bit of low pressure in the eastern Midwest, but nothing too strong or out of the ordinary. Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?
Thanks bro, and good to hear from you again! Stick around for a while, we'll have some fun

Hey Gassy, nice to see you up and around. Not really. I looked at your color weather radar map, and didn't see anything recognizable. Looked like a map of the US with a bunch of numbers and squiggles all over it. But there wasn't a legend to tell me what the numbers and squiggles represented. Sorry, trying to say squigglies, but the spell checker keeps fixing it.

I think when they say record temperature, they mean since temperature was recorded. The previous Interglacial Period exceeded the current average temperature by about 5C. So it's not the hottest ever.

The reason for pointing out that people are starting to burn up is because it's something we need to be aware of. Fire is a natural thing, that we didn't invent. It happens when a combustible material reaches its ignition temperature. Sometimes things, including people, just spontaneously combust, without any source of heat. But that fire that killed all those people in Greece was started by some nut job, apparently.

Nice of you to point out that I am politicizing the fire in Greece. Global Warming shouldn't be a political issue at all, because politicians are really smart enough to understand it. They should just react to what the smart scientists are telling them. But instead, the majority of them appear to have their fingers crammed in their ears.

The events we are seeing now are because of Climate Change. It's getting hotter, so we have more frequent fires, droughts, and floods. It would be easier if we didn't have to figure out why there's a drought in the west, and a monsoon in the east, but that's the way it is. I think the droughts are caused by lack of water, and the monsoons are caused by too much water. Both are caused by more heat than what is normal.

But of course, you don't care, because the fire didn't come roaring down on you. Maybe next time?

Just thought I would point out that the weather map is very easy to understand if you wentto school and did geography.

The ines are isobars. They link places with equal atmospheric pressure at nominal sea level.

The squiggles are various fronts. This is where the is a vertical movenet of air causing a vortex to happen. The front bit is where the hotter air is rising over cooler air. Generally this means rain.

Oh, that's the problem then. I didn't went to school or did geography. No wonder everything seems so challenging for me. Do you think that if I went to school and did geometry that I could act as dumb as some of the Deniers in here?

By the way. What does a color weather radar map have to do with Earth's Climate?

Oh yeah, that's right. It has nothing to do with Earth's Climate. There's a BIG difference between weather and climate.

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Tim the plumber wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

muc82 wrote:
It is nice to see so much data in the post.

@James
I also think that the energy that we produce (producing more and more with the years) is making an significant factor to heat up the earth. With all the actions we do in our civilisation we are only warming the environment - also with air condition you produce more heat as you are able to cool the air.
I also think that the population number is an factor. If you place 10 people in a single room you don't need heating in winter for that room. I think the same is on the earth. Yes, it is not an significant factor, but...

@Into the night
I am interrested in your opinion. What are the reasons for rise of the temperatures in last decades according your point of view?

We don't know if the global temperature is rising, falling, or just staying the same. It is likely just generally staying the same, since the output of the Sun hasn't changed significantly.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough instruments to do it.

The only way you will ever relinquish that strategy would be if they put a thermometer on every square inch of the planet. And then you would still squabble about the accuracy of so many thermometers, lol.

You are a joke, Parrot.

Families just died in Greece. Parents covering their children, as the fire roared through them. They burned, just like the prophecy I quoted earlier.

We have record temperatures on the west coast, and major flooding from the downpours on the east [which I'm sitting in].

Are you really going to continue making a fool of yourself?

Well if it isn't Greenthing resurfacing! Must be all that record rain....

I haven't posted in a couple months, but just can't resist congratulating you on your typical left wing looney liberal response...you know, politicizing a tragedy. Although you may actually have a point. After all fire was not invented until just a few decades ago.

Hey, can you clarify record temps for me please? Is it highest temps ever? or is it highest ever recorded temps? There's is a BIG difference but I keep hearing these climate change nutjobs saying it's the hottest ever. How do they know that?

One other thing there Redman, I've put up the current surface analysis. I see a Pacific ridge and a Midwest trough, a fairly strong high out west and a bit of low pressure in the eastern Midwest, but nothing too strong or out of the ordinary. Can you show me which feature on this map is due to global warming?
Thanks bro, and good to hear from you again! Stick around for a while, we'll have some fun

Hey Gassy, nice to see you up and around. Not really. I looked at your color weather radar map, and didn't see anything recognizable. Looked like a map of the US with a bunch of numbers and squiggles all over it. But there wasn't a legend to tell me what the numbers and squiggles represented. Sorry, trying to say squigglies, but the spell checker keeps fixing it.

I think when they say record temperature, they mean since temperature was recorded. The previous Interglacial Period exceeded the current average temperature by about 5C. So it's not the hottest ever.

The reason for pointing out that people are starting to burn up is because it's something we need to be aware of. Fire is a natural thing, that we didn't invent. It happens when a combustible material reaches its ignition temperature. Sometimes things, including people, just spontaneously combust, without any source of heat. But that fire that killed all those people in Greece was started by some nut job, apparently.

Nice of you to point out that I am politicizing the fire in Greece. Global Warming shouldn't be a political issue at all, because politicians are really smart enough to understand it. They should just react to what the smart scientists are telling them. But instead, the majority of them appear to have their fingers crammed in their ears.

The events we are seeing now are because of Climate Change. It's getting hotter, so we have more frequent fires, droughts, and floods. It would be easier if we didn't have to figure out why there's a drought in the west, and a monsoon in the east, but that's the way it is. I think the droughts are caused by lack of water, and the monsoons are caused by too much water. Both are caused by more heat than what is normal.

But of course, you don't care, because the fire didn't come roaring down on you. Maybe next time?

Just thought I would point out that the weather map is very easy to understand if you wentto school and did geography.

The ines are isobars. They link places with equal atmospheric pressure at nominal sea level.

The squiggles are various fronts. This is where the is a vertical movenet of air causing a vortex to happen. The front bit is where the hotter air is rising over cooler air. Generally this means rain.

Oh, that's the problem then. I didn't went to school or did geography. No wonder everything seems so challenging for me. Do you think that if I went to school and did geometry that I could act as dumb as some of the Deniers in here?

By the way. What does a color weather radar map have to do with Earth's Climate?

Oh yeah, that's right. It has nothing to do with Earth's Climate. There's a BIG difference between weather and climate.

Well Redman, you've proven my point yet again. People who can't tell the difference between a surface analysis map and a color radar should probably not be regurgitating the lies of "climate scientists" who are pretending to be meteorologists.

The surface analysis is a exactly as Tim said it is. Is is also very basic and does not include any of the more specific details that go into making weather exactly what it is. A radar, on the other hand, shows where rain and flooding are occurring and COOLING that region for long periods of time. Yep, rain actually cools the air!! So more floods should mean a cooling "climate", RIGHT?

By the way, climate is the average of all weather over a period of time. Therefore climate has EVERYTHING to do with weather.

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Gassy, wasn't saying that climate has nothing to do with weather, duh. Lol.

Said weather maps have nothing to do with climate. Just because your map says everything is fine, it doesn't mean that everything is fine everywhere.

Redman's quotes

Said weather maps have nothing to do with climate. Just because your map says everything is fine, it doesn't mean that everything is fine everywhere.

And by the way. That map may say everything is fine, to you. However, that was just a snapshot of our weather.

Not sure if the numbers were highs, averages, current, or what. Sorry, missed that in weather class.

I don't think they had that in my school back then. They probably don't explain freaking weather charts even today. Graduating class was around 150. P.O. Dunk to say the least.

And that's because you didn't get to see the color radar maps they used to show on the radio, down in Greenville, SC.

Nice chatting with you, Gassy.

I can't wait to meet your hot ole lady,

and much on some of them grilled cheese burgers, and drink your beer.

I like Elysian Space Dust IPA. But don't worry, I'm a lightweight, and a six pack will put me right out [and totally hose the next day].

Let's get together and talk about growing corn after it starts hitting 100 F in the spring.

I'm interested in your ideas on this.

James___ wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

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Gassy, wasn't saying that climate has nothing to do with weather, duh. Lol.

Said weather maps have nothing to do with climate. Just because your map says everything is fine, it doesn't mean that everything is fine everywhere.

...Umm, actually the weather map showed everything isn't fine. The jet stream is basically in the Arctic Circle where it doesn't belong.
..Even though I am a Christian I don't follow prophecy. Simple reason, have a life to live and not sure where being a doom sayer means anything. Even in Jesus' time they called it the end times.

John 3:17 17: For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

John 12:47 47: "If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

..Of course Christians might say souls only and create a condition so they can preach disaster which is meant to show us that God loves us.

..This tends to negate John 3:16. And this is why I seldom discuss religion,

23:1 A Psalm of David.

The LORD is my shepherd;
I shall not want.

That Psalm could just as easily mean that a person should live their life and not be concerned with things they can't control like other people.

And this is probably the last time I'll mention religion in here. Why ? This is a climate debate forum so hopefully we can keep prophecy out of here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8

.or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CkkjiNVoUo

Redman wrote:
though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, because I'm the baddest mofo in the valley.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Redman's quotes

Said weather maps have nothing to do with climate. Just because your map says everything is fine, it doesn't mean that everything is fine everywhere.

Point is, you can't read the simplest of weather maps, yet you're telling us all how factual it is that heat is causing floods. I just want you to explain how. Can you do that?

And by the way. That map may say everything is fine, to you. However, that was just a snapshot of our weather.

Bingo!!! And "hottest global temps ever recorded" which no one actually knows and cannot be accurately measured, are also just a snapshot...a blink in history. Dude, how old is the earth?

Not sure if the numbers were highs, averages, current, or what. Sorry, missed that in weather class.

actually, none of the above.

I don't think they had that in my school back then. They probably don't explain freaking weather charts even today. Graduating class was around 150. P.O. Dunk to say the least.

My school didn't have weather either. I just began to realize how many people spouted off about the weather and how often they were always wrong. I decided to actually learn what I could. Turns out the more I learned the more there was to know. It's a fascinating subject, and even the "expert meteorologists" have significant difficulty producing an accurate forecast 120 hour out. But hold the phone! Redman has created an Algoreism and he can tell us the ENTIRE EARTHS TEMPERATURE 100 years from now!!!

And that's because you didn't get to see the color radar maps they used to show on the radio, down in Greenville, SC.

I can't say I've ever seen anything on the radio.

Nice chatting with you, Gassy.

You too Redman!

I can't wait to meet your hot ole lady,

I would have no problem with that, she'll kick your ass!

and much on some of them grilled cheese burgers, and drink your beer.

Typical liberal...can't even bring his own beer. Isn't the guest supposed to bring a bottle of wine or something like that?

I like Elysian Space Dust IPA. But don't worry, I'm a lightweight, and a six pack will put me right out [and totally hose the next day].

Good for you...buy some.

Let's get together and talk about growing corn after it starts hitting 100 F in the spring.

That sounds wonderful after last spring! We had snow on April 15th! Yep, bad day! Paid my damn taxes and it snowed.

I'm interested in your ideas on this.

Really? OK. From what I understand the more heat the better for getting that corn going early. Get the plants up and get that canopy closed quick to hold more moisture in the soil. Also a benefit when you have a later freeze date...allows for a bigger yield producing variety seed, which takes a week or two more, and no worries about an early freeze before the crop is mature.

What are your thoughts Redman?