The world's first global no-fly climate conference.

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
Yeah, the conference sounds great. What people have actually said for several decades that we can not continue to release carbon dioxide at the rate we do. Soon we'll reach a critical point. Earth will not go under, but it will be major consequences, big parts of the world. If you want to ask someone who knows their numbers, you should ask the insurance companies.

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
And maybe United Nations also jumping on "increasing natural disaster train" as an excuse to win a popularity contest with the people. You are welcome to read United Nations articles. But you may not take their numbers seriously.

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

GasGuzzler wrote:

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

Why are all your suggested sites .org?

Into the Night wrote:

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

The first site is from the United Nations, which also created the IPCC. Not exactly an unbiased source.

The second site is from insurance companies, who are certainly willing to capitalize on insurance rates. Not exactly an unbiased source.

The third site is from Oxford University, who is well known for buying into the Church of Global Warming. Not exactly an unbiased source.

NONE of these sites define what a 'disaster' actually is. Does every landslide qualify as a 'disaster'? Washington, Oregon, and California get landslides all the time. Most don't even make the news, or if it does, it's a passing reference when describing some local weather. Certainly no 'disaster'.

Is every wildfire caused by climate? No. Most wildfires are started by Man, either intentionally or unintentionally. They can become more costly if people don't cut back vegetation near their homes or build in wildfire prone areas.

Floods can be caused by additional rain, failure to dredge rivers, poor maintenance of levies, building in areas prone to floods, etc.

May I suggest the idea of a 'disaster' database is rather pointless? The entire thing is nothing but subjective judgement to begin with. Even the 'cost' of 'disasters' is using a value of money that is constantly changing (and become more worthless with time).

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

Why are all your suggested sites .org?

Are you saying that the United Nations is not trustworthy? It is true that it is easier to get .org addresses than .com and that some take advantage of it. But when it comes to organizations, they choose .org because it's an organization. Now I'm interested what you consider is a reliable source.

GasGuzzler wrote:

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

josephinealbertsdotter wrote:
That sounds reasonable GasGuzzler. I did some quick googling for you, here are some links to different organizations that show the trend of increased natural disasters over the last century, and it has to do with increased average temperature on Earth. Obviously, not all scientist agree, but the clear majority do.

https://www.unisdr.org/files/47804_2015disastertrendsinfographic.pdf
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-global-catastrophes
https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

I have to go now but I'm happy to continue the discussion with you.

Why are all your suggested sites .org?

Are you saying that the United Nations is not trustworthy? It is true that it is easier to get .org addresses than .com and that some take advantage of it. But when it comes to organizations, they choose .org because it's an organization. Now I'm interested what you consider is a reliable source.

There is so much propaganda out there, from both sides, that it can be difficult to trust any source. When I'm looking for facts and read opinion, I throw it out.
I don't want anyone's opinion, I'll make up my own mind.

Your original claim was that the globe is warming and natural disasters are getting more frequent and more intense, thus more costly....correct?

I decided to start with hurricanes. Fair?

I searched through a little mud but soon found this site. http://wx.graphics/tropical/

Looks pretty straight forward and gives links to each storm used to compile all the graphs. There is NO written article, no opinion and no propaganda. Just the stats. If you disagree, you can cross check it with the National Hurricane Center. They also have a great data base of tropical systems.

Here's one graph from the page. Not exactly a good look for Loyds of London as they raise insurance premiums.

Tim the plumber wrote:
josephinealbertsdotter,

Can you explain, in your own words, how a slightly warmer world (use the IPCC's numbers of +3.4 c over now by 2100) will cause anything bad to happen?

I need the mechanism between the increased temperatures and the bad thing. It has to be more costly for any local council that has traffic lights to sort out than it's traffic lights budget and be supported by some sort of science. Any science you cite must be quoted from to illustrate the support. I will not be fobbed off with too long to read irrelevance.